So pathetic, why would he retire because he didn't want to over pay all these over hyped players that aren't even going help us win the cup. Reality check people, everyone knows even if we had traded there's not a player that's going to get this team to the stanley cup. Holland is just realistic and you guys must face the it too that this team is in rebuilding. Keeping draft pick and our prospects is more beneficial to us as then having players like Jagr & Iginla on the roster.
I'm so happy that Holland didn't overpay anyone or that he didn't do any trade at all. Truth be told there's not one player that was on the trade block or could of been traded for which is worth it this year.
You guys think this is back in the days when there's no salary cap we can trade our picks and prospects and get some talent as fast and as easy as it was before. Think again, the game's changed and the salary cap makes decision tougher, the only way to stay competitive over year and year is to keep building up with the draft and keeping your core intact. If you go spend money on FA's and ship off your prospect, you will be dead last for the rest of your life.
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I said it last week and I'll say it again, if Holland doesn't land Parise and/or Suter, it's going to be viewed as a failure no matter the reason, and it's going to be yet another off-season failure in a string of off-season failures. These were less his fault than '09's for example, but it's no matter, because he's had enough failures that were entirely his fault at this point.
Everyone wants to defend the guy because we've been so successful, but for the last 3-4 years, the guy has dropped the ball again and again and failed to set us up to be in a good position when Lidstrom retired. You can say that it's a different league now and we're not the draw to free agents we were 3-4 years ago, but that was all the more reason why he should've been making the deals then to set us up for this particularily dramatic off-season. But he's made too many emotional decisions in keeping guys (and gambling on guys...) we developed over pursuing better, proven talent at the expense of home-grown guys that had yet to live up to potential or do so consistently. He's played it too cautious and sat on the sidelines while our value as a destination team to players diminished.
You know, everyone's pissed about losing Suter now, but he should've made a deal to bring in a guy like Suter 3 years ago so he could sit next to Lidstrom and LEARN so we'd his replacement in place and more ready than ever to take over Lidstrom's role. The fact that it didn't happen was a supremely regrettable and in my mind inexcusable lack of foresight.
I don't claim to be an expert and I know Ken Holland knows a lot more about the game than I do, but too much of this was obvious even to me and it's been obvious to me since we were winning our last Cup, when things were good. I started to see it and started to worry then. And if a casual fan can start to pick up on this, then there's little doubt that Ken Holland was probably aware of it as well, but again, he failed to act. Why that was is still anyone's guess, but again, I think he simply was too close to the situation and made too many moves for emotional reasons that didn't serve the team well in the long run. That is why in my mind he has failed, and failed quite enough to get many if any more chances to manage this team heading into another off-season
1- First of all we all knew that Parise was our second option all along, meaning that our only chance to land him was for Suter to convince him to come along which worked the other way around ... Parise convincing Suter to join him in the wild. We offered 3 million less then the Wild, if Parise was a FA next year, Suter would of been a Red Wing on July 1. Well tough luck for us, we just go to develop and keep our own players. It can't be Hollands fault, he was actually the only GM that flew to see Suter in person and gave his best shot at the end of the line it's there decision to come or not but Holland did his part.
2- Of course I will defend my GM that got us 3 stanley cups and assisted for another one! We have never missed the playoffs in his reign as manager, so technically he hasn't been doing anything wrong. How has he actually dropped the ball in the past 3-4 years, you are aware what a salary cap is right and you do know that losing 2-3 players from your current roster is not worth signing one free agent?
3- Trade for Suter, you are not actually serious are you? Suter would be 24 if I'm not mistaking meaning his price would of been very high and you actually think Nashville would of traded to us, a division team. I mean the things you guys come up with is really weak. Here's a reality check everyone YOU WILL NEVER EVER FIND A REPLACEMENT FOR LIDSTROM, even if there was someone tagged along side him. Kronwall has been under Lidstrom so if we go by what your suggesting, we all ready have Kronwall & Ericsson that have been on the team and could of learned by Lidstrom all this time together. Unofortunently it just doesn't work out that way, some people just have that superstart status like Lidstrom and some people just don't. Even if Suter had came year ago and was trained under Lidstrom, there's nothing guaranteeing me that he would be at his level.
4- The way your thinking is very immature, you think by grabbing all quality free agents it would guarantee your chances to win a cup or be competitive. How many times did we see the Rangers fall in that trap?
Let me put you another scernario, if we had Suter and Parise signed each at 7.5m / year as they are now with minny the way your suggesting.
That would be about 15 million in cap space, which we currently have 16 if I'm not mistaking. That would mean we need to clear cap space to sign Quincey Abdelkader ... meaning we need to get rid of some roster players. Filpulla / Franzen are the most obvious choices ... Let's say we trade, Franzen ... 4 million off the books (Don't forget we can't be getting anything in return because our cap is full).
Resign 2 for Abdel, 2 for Quincey " I'm being cheap here " = Cap Room = 0
Following year = 12 million in cap space ... Ian White (3 - 4 milion) - Jimmy Howard (4-5 million) - Valteri Filppula (4 - 5 million) - Jakub Kindl (1 million) - Brendan Smith (1 million). So where's the money to sign our own players or any money to sign free agents? You would be here next year and complaining about how Ken Holland dropped the ball by wasting our cap, losing our own free agents.
Even if sign Jimmy Howard and Valteri Filpula ... We still lost 2-3 players without adding any new. Assuming you only sign Howard and go for a quality free agent which would want 7-8 million a year as well. You are still a loser. Think smart, Holland doesn't just think for today but for tomorrow as well.
I'm so glad we didn't get Parise at that price, sure I would want Suter but come on ... his not even top 5 D in the league and is almost getting Crosby money. Wake up Red Wing Fans, Datsyuk Zetterberg Lidstrom aren't free agents they are homegrown.
It disgust me to see our own fans bashing the #1 manager in the league.
I think we need to find at least one decent defensive stay at home defenseman. I'm not worried about puck moving defensman we are pretty equiped with those. Kronwall - Quincey - Smith - Kindl. I'm looking some more like Stuart (We sure are going to miss his presence).
i guess forget the bobby ryan suggestion unless we actually give away filppula which i doubt we'd do and even then i doubt itll be enough for them
we might have to take risks and trade for guys like chris stewart (which would require a 3rd team) who underachieved but have potential to rebound
Why wouldn't we trade Filpulla for Ryan ... Ryan > Filppula it's a automatic upgrade for a player. Filppula has nothing more to offer us then what we've all ready seen from him. Trade him, pick up Doan and Suter and end of story!