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#2426454 Wings in on Alfredsson

Posted by VM1138 on 05 July 2013 - 10:27 AM

Would take him for 1 year over Cleary for 3

Sure, how we perceive this Alfredsson signing depends on who he is replacing.  Is he replacing Cleary? Then it's a good move.  Is he our "big signing" of the summer expected to solve all of our problems?  Then it's a bad signing.  

#2425313 How much is too much?

Posted by T.Low on 03 July 2013 - 10:04 AM

UFA's will be inherently over priced because demand is high and supply is low.  They will ruin the salary structure of your team, and quite possibly the attitude of the room.


We all know that Holland and Illitch understood after the '05 CBA that prices for UFA's would be waaaay hyper inflated and therefore went to a philosophy of building a team through the draft.


As you see, Wings fans are having a difficult time living on a budget when we never had to before.  We can't handle not buying every Lecavalier and Horton that we see become available, like the good ole days of  buying up a Lucky Luc and having no room for him except on the 4rth line.


That is one reason winning the Calder Cup was so significant.

#2425173 Wings buy out Colaiacovo, will keep Bertuzzi

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 02 July 2013 - 11:17 PM

One last thing for the night.


grand-rapids-griffins-calder-cup.jpgSome of these guys want roster spots.

#2425188 The Overreaction Thread

Posted by WingedWheel91 on 03 July 2013 - 12:18 AM

I thought I would start a thread tonight for those fans who take the time to look at the big picture - rather than broadcast any anger towards one of the best GM's in the NHL just because it didn't go our way today. So before you elect Paul Holmgren as our next GM, consider that since 2007 he has signed 6 contracts to a combined 61 years and $374.5 Millon to players who are NOT currently playing for Philadelphia. (Shea Weber, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Danny Briere, Ilya Bryzalov, and Chris Pronger) you can also add James Van Riemsdyk to that list.

Here are 5 overreaction's I have been exposed to since 10 AM this morning.

1. Vincent Lecavalier - I"ll admit I was intrigued by the possibility of him centering our second line next year...but that's about it. He is 33 years old, is already too slow, and now playing with house money for the duration of this ridiculous 5 year contract. My question is: How motivated is this Stanley Cup champ, who hasn't played more than 65 games or scored more than 25 goals since 09-10, and hasn't been a + player since 06-07 going to be for the next 5 years? Sadly enough, at the same age, Johan Franzen has actually put up better all around numbers since then and who on this site hasn't posted in a "trade Franzen" thread.

2. David Clarkson - Thank God. Why does anyone want this guy signed to a long term contract at 6+ Million per season. Those figures are entering Datsyuk range, and are already in Zetterberg range. Congratulatons on your one 30 goal season Dave, but considering that Hakan Loob, Stephane Richer, Jonathon Cheechoo, Wayne Babych and Dino Cicarelli all scored 50 once... No Thanks.

3. Buyouts - There are like 1 or 2 good centres left in this years free agent crop that 29 other teams have interest in, meaning we probably aren't going to get who we want (Stephen Weiss) because someone will overspend when it's the wrong thing to do (Philadelphia). Collatarally, this means that with 10+ million in the bank and very few targets to spend it on right now, why would we burn our last compliance buyout on either Sammy or Bert who both have 1 year remaining on their contracts, when we still have 4 players signed until at least 2019. The point is, we aren't spending 10 Mill this summer on free agents meaning there is no point in getting rid of any assets simply for cap relief.

4. Lack of Team Talent? - We played Chicago harder than anyone they met en route to winning the cup, and had 3 chances to eliminate them. As of right now, the team will be adding Helm, Bertuzzi, Dekeyser, and Tatar to next years full time roster and losing Filpulla and White for sure. Brunner and Cleary remain to be seen, but can someone tell me how next years team isn't better than last years based on injuries alone, and before you take into account the development of all of our rookies?

5. The Time Is Now - Has anyone seen next years free agent class? Before you erase Vincent Lecavalier from your CapGeek thread team, and visit nhltraderumours.com to pencil someone else into our top 6 while maintaining about $14,000 in Cap Space, consider the future.

#2425164 Horton looking 6m for 5/6 years

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 02 July 2013 - 10:58 PM


He wants to play in warm weather, per Helene St. James and other sources.

It would be hilarious if he signed with Florida long term and then they got moved to Quebec.

#2425013 Trade/Buyout thread

Posted by RedWingCraig on 02 July 2013 - 07:15 PM

Can we not get anything for colo?

Cap and roster space

#2424977 Red Wings won't pursue David Clarkson

Posted by Z Winged Dangler on 02 July 2013 - 06:40 PM

Stephen Weiss will be a Red Wing friday. So will Mikeal Samuelsson. :(

I'm gonna throw a prediction out there in the universe.


Wings sign Weiss and Ryder.

Buyout Colo and Sammy.

Trade Eaves and Tootoo.

Re-sign Brunner, Nyquist, Andersson and Smith.

Jagr buys a rocking chair for his porch, realizes it's really comfy and just stays there.

#2423102 The CapGeek Thread

Posted by Dave on 28 June 2013 - 12:54 PM

My Custom Lineup
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) 
Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($6.727m) / Michael Ryder ($4.500m) 
Gustav Nyquist ($1.501m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Damien Brunner ($3.350m) 
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($1.000m) / Drew Miller ($1.350m) 
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) 
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) 
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Jakub Kindl ($1.050m) 
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brendan Smith ($0.927m) 
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) 
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m) 
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) 
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m) 
Buyout: Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m) 
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,624,193; BONUSES: $1,010,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $685,807


Such a pipe dream, but whatevs...This is what I'd like to see.

#2423371 The CapGeek Thread

Posted by dirtydangles on 29 June 2013 - 02:35 PM

I think that the Red Wings sign Lecavalier to a modest contract.  With him still getting paid by the Lightning, I believe that he will rank environment and chance to win another Cup above a huge payday.  He's got his money guaranteed; so 2-year, $4M/yr sounds like a fair deal to me.  If he wants to play for the Red Wings, then there's no point paying top-dollar.  I believe he'll either come to Detroit or go to Montreal.  Either way, both teams will probably be able to sign him without breaking the bank.
Next, I think the Red Wings swing a trade with Buffalo for RW Drew Stafford.  Stafford, according to rumors, has been trying to get out of Buffalo since before the trade deadline.  It's clear they're trying to rebuild again and I can't see him wanting to stick around for another project.  For the 6'2", 200lb right winger, the Red Wings send LW Johan Franzen (comparable contracts), C Riley Sheahan, RW Martin Frk, and a 2014 3rd Round Pick to the Sabres.   This trade allows the Red Wings to avoid a decision to buyout Franzen next year (while easing the burden on the logjam at LW) and the Sabres pick up a potential top-six RW, a 2nd-line winger, and a pick next year.  The cupboard is bare when it comes to top-flight wingers for the Sabres and Frk would fit nicely into their rebuilding plan. Sheahan needs to get out of Detroit's system after his arrest.  I can't believe he's still with the organization after the video went viral, but a new beginning gives him a fresh start and a solid chance at making a 2013/2014 roster.
The team trades D Colaiacovo for a 2013 5th Round pick, while it uses one Compliance Buyout on winger Mikael Samuelsson and one Ordinary Buyout on winger Todd Bertuzzi.  Neither player could be traded during the draft and their contracts don't fit with the Red Wings' plan.
Kenny Holland has stated that he wants to bring in a top-4 defensemen (likely an offense-oriented right-handed guy), but short of moving Kyle Quincey's contract, I don't see how that happens.  Maybe something comes along after the season starts (trade deadline?), but for now, I think one big signing and one big trade is enough.

The team re-signs most of it's restricted free agents (LW Nyquist, D Smith, C Andersson) to three-year deals while signing unrestricted free agent RW Damien Brunner to a 2-year, $3.2M contract.  Everything else stays the same.

So the Red Wings finally get to pair Zetterberg with Datsyuk for good while adding a right-handed power forward next to them who can score himself.  Lacavalier and Abdelkader make for a big second line.  Lacavalier organizes the offense, Abdelkader blinds the goalie, and Brunner looks for the open, wicked shot on goal.  The young kids give the Red Wings an impressive third line full of speed and skill.  The fourth line, orchestrated by a healthy Darren Helm, gives the team a physical, defense-oriented line with Miller and Eaves flanking the rejuvenated center.  Emmerton and Tootoo round out the roster.

My Custom Lineup
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m) 
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($4.000m) / Damien Brunner ($3.200m) 
Gustav Nyquist ($2.175m) / Joakim Andersson ($1.875m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) 
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) 
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) 
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) 
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) 
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brendan Smith ($1.900m) 
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) / 
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m) 
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) 
Buyout: Todd Bertuzzi ($0.625m) 
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m) 
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,348,333; BONUSES: $1,010,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,961,667

You lost me at Stafford. You would give all that for STAFFORD? You have got to be kidding me. I wouldnt give Frk alone for him let alone a great centre prospect a 3rd rounder AND Franzen?

#2423283 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Nev on 29 June 2013 - 03:02 AM

Let flip go. Bring in the youth.


Remember when Flip was the youth?  Remember when he put put up 70 points in GR and everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough?  Now he's greedy and one-dimensional and useless


Remember when Hudler was the youth?  Remember when he put up 96 points in GR?  Remember how everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough?  Now he's greedy and one-dimensional and useless and lazy.


Remember when Kopecky was the youth?  Remember when he put up 72 points in GR?  Remember how everyone was all over Babcock and Holland for not playing him enough? (well, OK, its was just Eva ;) )  Now he's just useless.


Remember when Kronwall was the youth?  Remember when he put up 53 points in GR?  Remember when he was Nick Jr?  Now he's useless and can't defend, and a turnover machine and not a #1 defenceman.


Remember when Smith was the youth?  Remember how 12 months ago he was LOCK for the Calder on here?  Now he's the most useless defenceman in history, a Frankenstein combination of all the worst parts of Anders Ericsson, Max Kuznetzov, Matthieu Dandenault and Brett Lebda.


Are you spotting the pattern here?  When they're in the minors all our prospects are the next coming of Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom on here.  Then they get here, and they turn into what the scouts projected (3rd line checker, 2nd line 2-way winger) and not what the LGWers predicted (Pavel Zetterberg), and LGW treats them like they're something they scraped off their shoe.


So good luck Nyquist.  Good luck Tatar.  Good luck Sheahan, Ferraro and Jurco.  You'd better turn into HOFers, otherwise you'll just plain SUCK!

#2423142 Cap Recapture Calculator

Posted by Jesusberg on 28 June 2013 - 03:33 PM

There's always a way




What does that mean, really?



#2422683 Horton looking 6m for 5/6 years

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 27 June 2013 - 09:55 AM

We know Holland doesn't like paying market prices for free agents, so I don't see us signing Horton at that price.  Not sure if we should either.  


Holland is willing to play the 'quality NHL team' market price, not the Minnesota Wild inflated joke price.  There's a reason why those joke, overpayment contracts are attached to joke teams.

#2422566 Grand Rapids Griffins 2013 Champions Avatars

Posted by FlashyG on 26 June 2013 - 10:48 PM

I made these avatars for the Wings fans here and on HFboards, our system is constantly labelled as overrated there, often by people like Centcougar, that spawned the slogan.


Feel free to use them if you like or if you'd like a custom one post the picture and the slogan you'd like and I'll get it to you as soon as possible.


Almqvist.gif Andersson.gif Aubry.gif  Billins.gif

Callahan.gif Coetzee.gif Evans.gif  Ferraro.gif

Fournier.gif Glendening-1.gif Grant.gif  Hoggan.gif

 Jarnkrok.gif Jensen.gif Jurco.gif Lashoff.gif

 McCollum.gif Mrazek.gif Mursak.gif Nestrasil.gif

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#2422164 2013 Stanley Cup Finals - Boston Bruins vs. Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by xtrememachine1 on 25 June 2013 - 11:49 AM

Sorry man but I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. A Calder Cup championship in no way makes up for the fact that our franchise had three chances to put away the team that eventually hoisted. That is choke/heartbreak/salt in wound all over the place.


To each his own.  The Wings were not expected to do anything this year and I felt the most important part of this year was the development of our young guys.  I mean, if our top prospects don't perform well, we're looking at some lean years, lottery draft picking years.  Seeing them take it to Chicago, a team that eventually won the Stanley Cup, is very promising.  Seeing them win the Calder Cup down in the AHL is even more promising.  Losing never feels good, especially to Chicago, but there's a big shiny silver lining to this past season and maybe that makes me a glass half full kind of guy, but the promise these young guys showed this spring outshine the loss.  Again though, that's just me.

#2421100 Grand Rapids Griffins Win Calder Cup! 5-2 win in game 6

Posted by Guest on 20 June 2013 - 06:39 PM