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#2609246 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by Internet.Unknown on 20 May 2015 - 09:44 PM

How do you know? Maybe the wings will be a top tier team with a new coach. Babs Haas some questionable line combos, and his refusal to demote Ericsson after so many terrible mistakes every game was atrocious. How come Smith got no pp time, how come Weiss could get 3 points in a game and lose 2 minutes ice time next game? This team needs an offensive rh defenseman. Otherwise it's actually a good team that Babcock couldn't motivate to even start games on time or play a full 60 minutes

 

I wish I could be so optimistic.

 

Babcock was right. Where is the next franchise player in this organization? Mantha? He hasn't lived up to the hype this season. Maybe he will later, but nothing is certain yet. Larkin? He's still a college player. Even if he turns out to be the Wings' next superstar, he's YEARS away from fulfilling it. Look how long it took Yzerman to win.

 

Fans talk about the Wings' forward prospects and young players as if all of them are can't miss future all-stars.

 

#Pulcannon

Scores a ton in the minors but won't find the same kind of time or space in the NHL. Will he score like Brett Hull or Kirk Maltby in the bigs?

 

Nyquist

Was this season his sophomore slump? Gus scored fewer goals in more games while attracting a lot more attention from the opposition. Coincidence or could the small forward have hit his ceiling already?

 

Jurco

So far a complete dud. People go on and on about his potential (why, I don't know, his size maybe?) but it has yet to materialize on the ice in game. He's on a trajectory to become the next Brendan Smith or worse.

 

Tatar

Tots is the "youngster" I'm least concerned about. High compete level, seems to really want to win and score. Still, how many undersized forwards can a team ice and remain competitive?

 

Mantha

See above. Mediocre first season. Injured early, yes, but he hasn't yet dominated since returning. How long will it take for his supposed "can't miss" player that every team wanted in a trade starts living up to the hype?

 

Larkin

Sill lives in a dorm paid for by his parents. This is the next franchise superstar? It's gonna be a while.

 

AA

Honestly don't know enough about him to comment.

 

As for the defense, Marchenko, Sproul, Jensen, XO, and Riley's brother (thanks, Kip) aren't all going to become impact players. Thankfully it looks like DD will be. Too bad the next best defenseman on the team is 35.

 

Again, I wish I could be so optimistic. I hope every one of the Wings' prospects turns into a franchise player and the team has to start shedding stars because of contract space. What a problem to have! But it won't happen. It can't. The odds and history don't support it.




#2609072 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 02:21 PM

 

I blame Babcock for continuing to use E as a #2 just much as I blame Holland for not getting us another dman. It wasn't working yet Babs continued to put him out there.

 

I always saw that as making the best of what is a thin defensive corps.

 

Ericsson shouldn't be a #2 guy, but Dekeyser was actually 2nd on the team in terms of minutes.  If you look at even strength minutes, Ericsson was 4th on the depth chart, which is about where he should be. 

 

If you make Kronwall Dekeyser the top pair that's certainly better on paper, but it doesn't do great things for the other pairings.  I think Ericsson was "good enough" to survive with Kronwall on the top pair and left more options for the other pairings. 




#2609058 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by frankgrimes on 20 May 2015 - 02:11 PM


An unproven coach at the NHL level so it could go either way. But hey he will for sure make less than the GM and if things aren't working out Holland can sell it as another transition year instead of going for a real rebuild. I feel a bit bad for Orr and McLaren Babs won't play them on the fourth line


 
Unproven maybe, yet carries the same philosophies as Babs but probably way better in seeing when things don't work.
 
It won't be as dramatic as your making it out to be. Holland did the right thing whether you agree or not.

Could be better could be worse...Blashill will be in his first year coaching a team that screams fix the damn defense and get tougher ! Fixing this is the job of a GM Blashill just like Babcock can only work with what he has an let's be honest by Wings standards it's not much.

I hope people show some patience with Blashill because the guy is a rookie and will be tasked to get this team into the playoffs for a quarter century

I for one will for sure not expect anything and just hope he gets time to implement his system whatever it will be.




#2609011 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by F.Michael on 20 May 2015 - 01:41 PM

I won't make that bet.

Agreed.

 

The Leafs roster isn't as bad as many think...They haven't had a good coach since Pat Quinn.




#2608995 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by gcom007 on 20 May 2015 - 01:36 PM

 

What has Bylsma proven? He got a cup in 09 for taking over a team in February that got hot at the right time. After that he has proven to be able to take a loaded roster and get ousted in the first and 2nd rounds of the playoffs. Lets not forgot Babs was far from a proven coach when hired and that worked out well.

 

And hell, he barely got that Cup. If Detroit was slightly more healthy that year, we would've smoked the Penguins. They were lucky, we weren't.




#2608923 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 20 May 2015 - 01:09 PM

Good luck Babs and thanks for the Cup. 

 

I hope you're at least smart enough not to take the GM job too.




#2608044 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by marcaractac on 15 May 2015 - 06:23 PM

If babs stays will I be upset? No ... I won't be in an uproar for him coming back ... My preference is we go a different route , preferably with jeff Blashill

My personal opinion is he's a good coach but overrated ... Those gold medals for me don't count as the teams were stacked full of all star players

From 2010-2015 we haven't done anything in the playoffs and we had hank and pav from ages 29-35? ... It's not like there career was done and over with

And as for the franchise sitting pretty I'd put that more on holland for not panicking and trading away top prospects and out scouting staff for always refilling the prospect pool with real good talent

 

2 players isn't gonna win you a cup. Lidstrom retired. We lost Rafalski, we lost Stuart. A lot of the secondary scoring aged out, and youth has been filling positions since, and getting better every year. All under Babcock. I also bet you that Datsyuk and Hank would both say Babcock had a big part in their own development 10 years ago to become the players they did. 

 

Look at teams like the Blues. They should be winning cups with the roster they have. But they aren't. Look at the Pens. Crosby and Malkin can't do it alone there either. We have a young team learning how to win. That game 7 heartbreak was a huge lesson going forward. Babcock is a huge part of that. 

 

You bring up the Team Canada argument. Canada has ALWAYS had stacked rosters. But before the back to back gold, there has been a lot of disappointment. It is silly to talk as if any coach could have coached that team to a gold medal when more often than not the team didn't win gold in the past. Besides 2002 it has been a lot of olympic heartbreak for Canadians. Babs was chosen to coach those gold medal winning teams for a reason. 




#2607828 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by HIFI_canadian on 14 May 2015 - 08:19 PM

Anyone that says Mike Babcock is overrated or that we won't miss him if he leaves hasn't witness an organizational collapse. Ask Dallas when they let go of Hitchcock, Toronto when they let go of Pat Quinn, Colorado when they let go of Hartley, St. Louis with Quineville..etc. 

 

Mike Babcock is the reason why we continue to make the playoffs and I believe he will come back. The only way he leaves is how much Toronto is willing give him roster control, that can be tricky.




#2606993 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by frankgrimes on 10 May 2015 - 03:10 PM

You think that our actual roster can do better without Babs?!?!
I agree that we need changes... but ROSTER changes.

 

Obviously the good thing is all the Babcock sucks people will get their wish :-)

 

Yes, changes are needed but getting rid of the best coach in all of hockey - who has coached a very average team into the playoffs for 3 seasons in a row - is the wrong thing to do..roster, GM changes would have been needed. But hey, a few patchworks here and there and an inexperienced coach in his first NHL year will make this team a contender so what do I know.

 

In all seriousness I hope Babs can win a cup wherever he is going next sadly he didn't get the horses for another cup here.




#2605469 Free agents this off season

Posted by nyqvististhefuture on 01 May 2015 - 04:45 PM

I guarantee the wings make a big trade if Babcock re-signs, I'm sure it will be a stipulation In the contract


Agreed ... I do think it's almost a certainty Phaneuf will end up here ... Grand Rapids win then Babs will travel for game 5 with holland and I'm sure a lot will be said on that trip

Babs also said he got into an argument with his wife ... Can't help but think that had to do with the mention of Edmonton (reminds me of pronger and his wife lol)

Seriously doubt his wife will give the okay to go to Edmonton and spend -40 days over there ... I'd say there's no way he goes there

Only teams I'd see Babs leaving us for would be a San Jose/Pittsburgh/saint louis type situation


#2605466 Free agents this off season

Posted by Euro_Twins on 01 May 2015 - 04:35 PM

I guarantee the wings make a big trade if Babcock re-signs, I'm sure it will be a stipulation In the contract


#2605463 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 01 May 2015 - 04:21 PM

 

If that's really the case, then Mike Babcock isn't as great as everyone makes him out to be.  Lots of teams win Cups without a Zetterberg or a Datsyuk.  Joel Quenneville never had a 90+ point, two way, superstar.  Neither did Darryl Sutter.  Neither of them had a Lidstrom either. 

 

I sure hope that Babcock has more faith in his coaching ability than that.  Because if he really thinks he can't win without a Datsyuk or Zetterberg, then he absolutely sucks. 

 

Lots of teams? Like who? 

 

The first one I can kind of think of is Carolina.  And they at least had Staal.

 

Quenneville had an 88 point player in Kane, a 68 point great two way forward in Toews, and a Norris winning defenseman in Keith.  And Hossa.  So he had three superstar forwards and a great #1 d-man.  Quenneville hadn't been to the Cup finals until he coached a team with that talent.

 

Sutter didn't win the Cup until he had Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, along with Brown, Richards and Carter.  Sutter had several great forwards, a great #1 d-man, and a great playoff goaltender.

 

Are you really saying those two teams won the Cup without players of the calibre of Datsyuk and Zetterberg?




#2605145 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by evilmrt on 30 April 2015 - 05:58 PM

After what Babcock said last night, about not being as good anymore (despite making a 7 point improvement over last year, and taking the highest scoring team in the league to 7 games), mentioning the ages of Dats, Z, and Kronwall, and asking who's going to replace Pavs, I'd like to see him go. We have a lot of great young players on the team now and coming up soon, if Babcock doesn't think he can win here, then bring someone in who knows he will.
 
If Babcock wants to start nit picking, I'd like to point out he was here 10 years, and for 7 of those years he had the best defenseman since Bobby Orr, and only won 1 Cup... Dats, Z, and Kronwall have a few more good years left, and with Tatar, Nyquist, Abby, Helm, DeKeyser, Smith, Mrazek, Mantha, Larkin, Jurco, Marchenko, Ouellet, Sheahan, Pulkkinen, Glendening, etc. all in their 20's, we're going to be good for a while.


Are you blind? There is no heir apparent for the level Dats is on; only potential with Mantha and Larkin achieving that status. We have already started to see that Mantha will project a little less than everyone hoped. Babs is unhappy with roster management and rightly so. We should all be concerned for what happens in 3 seasons.


#2605009 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 30 April 2015 - 12:18 PM

I want Babcock back.  Holland isn't getting him what he needs.




#2604913 Who is the coach next season?

Posted by shoe on 30 April 2015 - 08:49 AM

I hope its Babcock with a Director of player Personnel tag attached to it. I think he is an incredible hockey mind and has earned the right to call his own roster as well as lines.