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#2679638 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on Yesterday, 11:59 AM

I thought Stamkos wanted to be the main guy?
Anyway, I can for sure see the appeal of playing in Buffalo or Toronto, but at the same time we are talking about what was the last place and 23rd place teams in the league as of a couple months ago. Up-and-coming is never a guarantee, and there's definitely a level of risk associated with signing the rest of your career away to one of those two teams. The Wings haven't been all that exciting the past few seasons, but at the very least we've been a consistent playoff team. For similar money, it might be more appealing to come to Detroit because we have a better track record of playing games that matter in April.

 

There are a couple of factors that might favor the Wings, or at least work against the top competition.

 

One, and you've touched on this here, is that the Sabres and especially the Leafs are probably two or three years away from being truly competitive. At that point, Stamkos will be right around 30 years old and may be in the early stages of decline. (Truth be told, he may already be in decline.) Is he willing to wait two or three years for the team to become competitive? Would he be ok with being eaten alive by the Toronto media at the first sign of trouble? Is he willing to joing an organization that has no recent history of success, one that may not become a perennial powerhouse? (Does he want to play on a bad team coached by Mike Babcock, who will inevitably put him on the wing and coach him to play "heavier" and "more defensively"?) These teams, by their own admission, have to "learn how to win." That's not necessarily as true of the Wings.

 

A second, related issue is the fact that all of the Sabres' and Leafs' top young talent will need substantial pay raises, which means they might find themselves where the Lightning now find themselves -- full of young talent, but lacking the cap space it'll take to keep all of those top players. Does Stamkos want to be the twelve-million-dollar reason why the Sabres can't keep Sam Reinhart or the Leafs can't keep William Nylander? Does he want to be counting for that much against a young team's cap when other players on the team are matching or exceeding his production and doing so for a fraction of his pay? Would that cause problems in the locker room? Would it lead to the younger talent demanding bigger money than they might otherwise demand, because "Well, Stamkos is getting paid this much to put up 65 points and I'm putting up 80+ points. And that's f***ed."

 

Did I mention Toronto eats its young?


Dreger: RedWings keenly interested in Stamkos. If they don't land, probably look at Eriksson, or Boedker, or Okposo, or maybe Backes.

 

Please no Boedker. He's not the player people think he is. We're talking substantially less competent than Tatar or Nyquist.




#2679592 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 26 June 2016 - 05:46 PM

Stamkos and one of Lucic or Okposo.
For bottom 6, Martin is the perfect addition.

Def upgrade via trades:
1st option Shatty/Trouba with extension.
2nd option Hamilton if available.

Fowler is not that much an upgrade over Smith IMO.

 

Stamkos and Martin were teammates in Sarnia once upon a time, and he's from Windsor. Probably would take less than market value to play with his buddy. I agree with the Fowler thing too, I'd go after Trouba pretty hard. See if Nyquist+Smith+1st could get it done, maybe add a prospect. Then we'd have room for whatever.




#2679555 Detroit trades Datsyuk to Arizona

Posted by poel on 26 June 2016 - 10:57 AM

I agree. If Detroit believed this guy was a franchise defenseman, they would never trade the pick away just to get rid of Datsyuk's contract. They had other offers on the table and other avenues they could have explored. My belief is they weren't high on Chychrun and used his hype to their advantage. Time will tell how good he is but I don't think he was as high on our draft board as other teams.

 

Or maybe Holland thought that the guy we got is pretty close to Chychrun and that the draft was pretty deep upfront. At least Holland already told Chayka ahead of the draft that he'd be willing to trade his pick. 

 

I also agree that it's not sure we would have picked Chychrun but it would have been the obvious choice. And, that's for sure, the deal only happened because Chychrun was still available at 16. Chychrun was the guy the Yotes wanted. If he's not available at 16 there's no Datsyuk-deal. We got a little lucky there.




#2679491 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Dabura on 25 June 2016 - 03:08 PM

Kenny should be all over something for fowler. Maybe Tatar + 2 seconds

 

Like I said a few days ago, Cam Fowler is bleh.

 

http://www.wingingit...of-a-defenseman

 

IMHO, Mattias Ekholm is the player that Fowler is mistakenly believed to be.




#2679026 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by RedWingsRox on 24 June 2016 - 08:04 PM

Chychrun ranked 8th ... awesome if we can get him at 16!


#2678938 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by F.Michael on 24 June 2016 - 06:50 PM

KH missed his bus, will be in Buffalo on Sunday. Don't worry, he will be kicking tires on Wal-Mart parking.

Rumor has it his delay is due to stopping by every Belle Tire along the way...




#2678920 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by TankIt on 24 June 2016 - 05:54 PM

Holland is riding on the reputation Scotty built for him. He not only hasn't made any splash trades, but he hasn't signed a good contract either in the last 8 years. It is going to be more of the same until he either retires, or the Ilitches fire him.


#2678864 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Hockeymom1960 on 24 June 2016 - 03:45 PM

So I'm not usually pessimistic but I don't think Holland will do jack s***. 




#2678855 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by sjr2012 on 24 June 2016 - 02:37 PM

I can live without Helm. He's not top 6 forward and he should not be playing as a top 6 forward.

agree soild 4th line maybe 3rd liner




#2678823 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by F.Michael on 24 June 2016 - 11:11 AM

Scotty was a true Detroit GM.

Once again - I agree...

 

Many here would use the 'there wasn't any cap back then' excuse - however Bowman had the balls to swing a deal.

 

Holland appears too passive, and he's using the playoff streak as his crutch to lean on when it comes to 'GM rankings'.




#2678816 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by Datsyukian-Deke on 24 June 2016 - 10:37 AM

It's on McKenzie twitter account.
Flames will leave today with the goalie (Bishop) so imo Howard will stay in Detroit. We have so many useless contracts which are not tradeable...


And yet Holland is voted one of the top GM's in the league every year. He hasn't signed a player to a good contract in at least 6 years. It's evident when we have no trade pieces because all of our contracts are inflated.


#2678787 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by F.Michael on 24 June 2016 - 08:57 AM

I have a feeling Detroit will have a deal in place for Datsyuk's contract with a team dependent on getting a big fish free agent to sign with Detroit. So I don't see it being traded till July 1st or after. Holland knows if he trades away good pieces and then strikes out in free agency he will be looking for another job.

Makes sense to me - although I've always felt Holland has job security regardless the outcome.

 

Why throw away a possible high draft pick, or a decent prospect just to shed salary if ya know there isn't a chance to sign any ufa...But on the other hand - if Holland does have a chance to swing a deal - he better hope the asking price for taking Datsyuk's contract didn't increase.




#2678662 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 22 June 2016 - 07:40 PM

Put Lucic in the winged wheel and he's still a piece of s***

Same can be said about a lot of guys who played in Detroit


#2678611 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 22 June 2016 - 02:14 PM

Teams have been given the green light to start negotiations with Lucic.




#2678348 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by marcaractac on 20 June 2016 - 01:55 PM

I'm well aware of tampa's situation ... It's called making moves ... Get rid of bishop and Callahan , maybe they see stamkos more important than Johnson who's struggled last while and trade him for assets

I'm not a fan of giving 10 million to stamkos and his bloodclot issues and his demands to play center ....anyways Again we'll see who's right soon enough ... Like 10 days left

 

1. His blood clot issues have been taken care of. It's a non issue.

2. He is a center. If you haven't noticed, we kind of need a #1 center right now.