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#2686109 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 September 2016 - 11:57 AM

Found on Erica Ott's twitter page @EricaRene4  Steve Ott's 8th grade "ideal self" poster he made up. This is why he is an honorary member of the Michigan Mafia. Got to love him!

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#2685405 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 02 September 2016 - 05:35 PM

Where did I say either were already #1s?

Fowler will never be a top 2. And if a player isn't top 2 (something we need) then trading assets for him doesn't make any sense. Unless  you think he is or will be top 2... and if you do then you're hyping him.




#2685393 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 02 September 2016 - 04:01 PM

20-25 goals isn't great, it's pretty realistic. The people who were saying he'd score 30 or 40 were predicting greatness, awake with the people calling Larkin Toews with speed and taking about how elite he is/will be, or AA can't be traded unless they get OEL or some established Norris candidate.


Or like the people talking about Trouba and Fowler like they're already legit 1D instead of moderately good players with some potential?

You're doing the same exact thing your chastizing others for.


#2685222 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 31 August 2016 - 04:41 AM

Holland didn't make the Shanahan deal. He wasn't GM yet. But your point is taken and agreed with.


#2685185 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 29 August 2016 - 07:31 PM

So you'd trade any player for a better player?  How profound. Nobody is arguing against that meaningless platitude.  This whole conversation spawned from a discussion about trading our top prospects for one of Trouba, Fowler, or Shattenkirk.  None of whom are top defensemen.  That's where your scenario falls apart, as has been pointed out.  But you keep beating this drum for some reason. 

 

Despite all the gushing over these guys from the LGW faithful, all of Trouba, Fowler, and Shattenkirk have real holes in their games.  Trouba, for instance, has been heralded as a "potential 1D" despite showing Danny Dekeyser like offensive skills during his pro career.  None of these guys are top defensemen on their teams.  The fact that they'd be a top defenseman on our team doesn't make them better players, it just means we're not that great.  If your 1D is worse than all the other 1D around the league you're still at a relative loss.  And that's BEFORE you factor in the fact that you lost a top prospect to make it happen. 

 

I'd have been happy to trade for ANY of them if we'd landed a decent offensive player in FA.  Replacing Nyquist or Tatar with Okposo would have made one of them expendable.  And a trade would have made sense.  But doing it now, with a top prospect, is a recipe for disaster. 




#2685133 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 27 August 2016 - 01:26 PM

We have  too many 2nd pairing D-man trading for another is not very smart. Talk to me about potential 1D trades. Enough with the Fowler stuff, the guy is a 2D and nothing more. People keep talking about how we're mediocre but their solutions consist of mediocrity. 




#2685097 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by NerveDamage on 26 August 2016 - 10:16 AM

Petr Mrazek's WCH mask looks awesome.

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#2684794 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 August 2016 - 09:49 PM

Offensive players like Smith and Jurco are asked to play defensive games, defensive players like Helm, Abdelkader, and Dekeyser are given offensive roles. But when the offensive guys don't get a shot and don't produce it's all their fault and the coaches know better than fans.


#2684724 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 12 August 2016 - 01:13 PM

Let's put it this way. What's your expectations for Helm and Vanek this year? If AA and Mantha played the entire season in Detroit, what would your expectations for them be? If the answers are similar, they should have gone with the kids. Your team this year would be about the same, and it would benefit them more ling term. Ditto for Bertuzzi vs. Miller or Ott.


#2684383 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 August 2016 - 11:06 AM

Hey, can't do anything about it now, but I'd still like to see the side by side comparison in order to know that we got a good deal. First Jarnkrok, now Gagner, Helm's salary, even if it was only $3M has to be justified by corsi and analytics and advanced something or other...right?

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Don't know how to read it, but the blocks look very similar. Helm should be making no more than $700K. Good job kenny.


#2684387 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 03 August 2016 - 01:22 PM

It's too bad because we all know I'm Darren Helm.

 

Hence I am the real one overpaid. 




#2684300 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 August 2016 - 12:34 AM

The rationale is evidence. Trades have been made, Holland is on record saying he doesn't want to trade the top prospects. He has made a ridiculously low number of trades compared to even the conservative teams. Two years ago he wouldn't consider trading Mantha but won't give him a legit shot at making the roster because he had to sign guys like Vanek and Helm. It's like he's stuck between when they were contenders and needed immediate help and knowing they have no real shot short term and need to plan for 5 years down the road and he's trying to do both and screwing it up both ways.


#2682889 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by NitzGuy on 11 July 2016 - 08:52 AM

I think our team will be slightly better this year although I think other teams in our division got even better, so does that make us worse by comparison?

 

Montreal has made a few acquisitions and have their tender back.

Tampa will be as strong as ever

Florida is looking deadly

Buffalo could probably push for a playoff spot

New Jersey looks like they could keep hold of a wildcard spot

 

When I see this stuff I feel like wings are worse only by comparison. I think we gotta hope Boston and the Islanders drop off.

 

Either way I picture us struggling for wildcard spot the same as the last couple of seasons and this year we may not be so lucky.




#2684055 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 July 2016 - 12:38 PM

Somewhere in Russia, 30 hours away from his daughter, Datsyuk is :hysterical: right now saying, see, THIS is why I wanted out! Mike Babcock concurs... too long and too lucrative of contracts for mediocre to trending downwards replaceable players.

I do like DD and Petr signings. Hopefully we'll like DD'S in 3 years still...


#2683986 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by F.Michael on 26 July 2016 - 08:01 PM

Sproul >>> Wisniewski

I look at Wiz like a used condom...