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#2684794 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 13 August 2016 - 09:49 PM

Offensive players like Smith and Jurco are asked to play defensive games, defensive players like Helm, Abdelkader, and Dekeyser are given offensive roles. But when the offensive guys don't get a shot and don't produce it's all their fault and the coaches know better than fans.


#2684724 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 12 August 2016 - 01:13 PM

Let's put it this way. What's your expectations for Helm and Vanek this year? If AA and Mantha played the entire season in Detroit, what would your expectations for them be? If the answers are similar, they should have gone with the kids. Your team this year would be about the same, and it would benefit them more ling term. Ditto for Bertuzzi vs. Miller or Ott.


#2684383 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 August 2016 - 11:06 AM

Hey, can't do anything about it now, but I'd still like to see the side by side comparison in order to know that we got a good deal. First Jarnkrok, now Gagner, Helm's salary, even if it was only $3M has to be justified by corsi and analytics and advanced something or other...right?

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Don't know how to read it, but the blocks look very similar. Helm should be making no more than $700K. Good job kenny.


#2684387 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by kickazz on 03 August 2016 - 01:22 PM

It's too bad because we all know I'm Darren Helm.

 

Hence I am the real one overpaid. 




#2684300 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by DickieDunn on 01 August 2016 - 12:34 AM

The rationale is evidence. Trades have been made, Holland is on record saying he doesn't want to trade the top prospects. He has made a ridiculously low number of trades compared to even the conservative teams. Two years ago he wouldn't consider trading Mantha but won't give him a legit shot at making the roster because he had to sign guys like Vanek and Helm. It's like he's stuck between when they were contenders and needed immediate help and knowing they have no real shot short term and need to plan for 5 years down the road and he's trying to do both and screwing it up both ways.


#2682889 This year vs last year: a poll

Posted by NitzGuy on 11 July 2016 - 08:52 AM

I think our team will be slightly better this year although I think other teams in our division got even better, so does that make us worse by comparison?

 

Montreal has made a few acquisitions and have their tender back.

Tampa will be as strong as ever

Florida is looking deadly

Buffalo could probably push for a playoff spot

New Jersey looks like they could keep hold of a wildcard spot

 

When I see this stuff I feel like wings are worse only by comparison. I think we gotta hope Boston and the Islanders drop off.

 

Either way I picture us struggling for wildcard spot the same as the last couple of seasons and this year we may not be so lucky.




#2684055 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 July 2016 - 12:38 PM

Somewhere in Russia, 30 hours away from his daughter, Datsyuk is :hysterical: right now saying, see, THIS is why I wanted out! Mike Babcock concurs... too long and too lucrative of contracts for mediocre to trending downwards replaceable players.

I do like DD and Petr signings. Hopefully we'll like DD'S in 3 years still...


#2683986 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by F.Michael on 26 July 2016 - 08:01 PM

Sproul >>> Wisniewski

I look at Wiz like a used condom...




#2683982 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by DickieDunn on 26 July 2016 - 07:10 PM

With all the contracts that are "just a little too much" the team has about $6 mil+ in wasted money. Minimum.


#2683981 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 26 July 2016 - 06:48 PM

Unless he gets significantly better, if he's the cornerstone of the defense, the team is screwed

Exactly what I'm thinking. He'll likely continue to improve, but he's not #1 material. 

 

I don't mind the deal. Maybe a little more than I would have wanted in terms of salary, but I can live with it. However, we still need significant help on defense. 




#2683927 DeKeyser re-signed to a 6 year deal

Posted by DickieDunn on 26 July 2016 - 09:18 AM

Unless he gets significantly better, if he's the cornerstone of the defense, the team is screwed


#2683806 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 25 July 2016 - 10:45 AM

If Helm wasn't paid $4M there would be more money available to offer Mrazek. Period, simple. That signing directly affected this negotiation. But hey, we sure got a fast 4th liner who will get top minutes because he gets top 6 money for 13th forward stats. Screw the future, we have Darren f****** Helm! That's the Juckf****** pott right there!

Screw AA, screw Mantha, screw Jurco and Pulkkinen, f*** our future for Helm! Oh and Howard can always be our #1. Darren and Jimmy, plan the parade!

No question he would be our best player, but he's not worth anywhere close to Larkin plus top prospects / picks...

Yup, if we didn't sign Helm to that s***ty contract, all 4 of Jurco, Pulkkinen, Athanasiou and Mantha would be in the lineup. Damn Helm for taking up 4 roster spots...
 
The Helm signing is not going to affect Mrazek or DeKeyser's contract in any way. But hey, keep trying to spin everything with your absurd Helm hate... 

:hysterical:

Nyquist was a wasted signing and Helm is too! That's $9M and two roster spots that can help our future...but hey, let's settle for bad to mediocre.


#2683367 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by krsmith17 on 17 July 2016 - 07:29 PM

The chance of Vanek ever scoring 30+ goals again is slim to none. But to put him in the best position to do that again, would be to play him on the 2nd or 3rd line and give him plenty of power-play time (which I'm sure he will get). Vanek should play on a line with fast skaters that can make up for his lack of speed. Helm and Athanasiou are two of our fastest skaters (along with Larkin) and in a support role, against lesser competition, he should be able to put up solid numbers...


#2683333 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 17 July 2016 - 08:18 AM

problem is, as of right now, with LTIR Holland has a complete roster with 3 fwds that can start in GR with no danger of being claimed AND 2 of 3 D Kids that MUST make the team or be wiaved.  So Holland can not do a thing the rest of the summer and start with only a couple of decisions to make.

 

He can either save 2 of the D kids and wiave Frk, or only save 1 and save Frk.

 

(not line combos)

 

Zetterberg - Larkin - Abby

Nyquist - Nielsen - Vanek

Tatar - Helm - Sheahan

Miller - Glenny - Ott

Jurco/Frk

 

DD - Green

Kronwall - Smith

E - Marchy

1 of XO/Sproul/Jensen

 

or remove Frk and add another D kid.

 

Notice no AA, Mantha or Nosek. (they all have waiver eligibilty)

 

Not sure what will happen when Pulk comes back, one of the extra D kids or Frk will have to be waived.

 

Of course barring ANY trade this is the current roster with LTIR. IMO, if Holland gets Fowler, et al. He will need to trade 2-3 fwds, 1 of our NHL D and a prospect D total.  (not all for Fowler, but in order to become compliant with a healthy roster.) But noone wants E, Smith is pretty good, so I could also see him trading a fwd and a D kid only.  Lets say Nyquist(or Tatar) and XO for Fowler.  Now who becomes #7, Smith or E?  I just think Holland will either overload his D or just stay pat and do nothing. Either way, we risk Frk and/or 2 of the D kids to waivers...


BTW, is Jamie Benn really worth $9.5M per season?




#2683290 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by nyqvististhefuture on 16 July 2016 - 08:38 AM

Ya I don't get the ott/Miller signings , signing helm to 3.85 cap hit assures us he's gonna be on the 2nd or 3rd line (don't get this signing either)

Signing vanek as well guarantees no matter what holland says to the media or how good mantha does in exhibition games that he will go back to Grand Rapids

I totally see a nyquist/Tatar being dealt for a fowler (much rather of had trouba,but don't have the pieces)

Sadly with all these signings I can see us losing pulkkinen jurco frk for nothing ... I just hope it's not literally nothing(rather give Andersson 2-3 7th rounders and more cracks at a gem pick than losing guys on waivers again)

I just hope jurco/frk dominates exhibition play and forces us to trade ott/Miller ... Mantha sadly with no worries about the waiver will start down in Grand Rapids