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#2514429 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by DSM on 23 April 2014 - 05:13 PM


See and that's exactly the point. Such a player wouldn't take away much, a #14 forward doesn't offer anything a hardnosed "goontype" player at least keeps the other team honest. There is a reason why nobody isf****** around with Monahan or Baertschi and even if they try it, McGrattan steps in and the case is closed.


To me our young guns are looking intimidated and somewhat unsure of themselves, it's a good but a very tough learning experience for them. More importantly hopefully an eye-opener for Holland and his anti-enforcer/toughguy stance.




It's not like if some injuries pile up and you come across a situation where you don't need your Role Guy, you can't call up Jurco/Pulkkinen/Mantha/whoever to take a regular shift or dress 7 dmen.


Holland should know full well the benefits. The only time he's carried a player of that ilk on his 23 man roster for an entire season since Joey Kocur retired, his team was still playing in June and he got to hoist this big shiny thing on the Penguins ice and got some nice gold ring that I'm sure he admires once in a blue moon...

#2514393 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by DSM on 23 April 2014 - 02:27 PM

I'm on the fence regarding re-signing Legwand. I do firmly believe that without getting him at the deadline, this team wouldn't be playing right now. I know everyone is just incensed over losing Waynlle Jarnkretzky, but I think this team is showing right now that they'll be better off without another smallish forward on the team.


I do have to wonder if he'll test the market. Behind Stasny, the UFA market is extremely thin for top 6 capable centers. Legwand could stand to get a hefty offer from another team looking for a 2nd line center. I also for some reason don't think the whole "playing in his hometown" thing is factoring in much. In his first game here, they interviewed his Dad at the Joe who made it seem like playing here wasn't the biggest deal.


If you subtract the Red Wings UFA's and assume that all notable RFA's get re-signed, the team has 12 forwards and 6 dmen in the fold. If they re-sign Quincey, Legwand and Alfredsson, they go into the season with the same team that is getting out muscled by the Bruins and can't produce on the PP, except for the additions of a healthy Zetterberg, Weiss and Ericsson. Is that enough to make this team any better?

#2514390 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by DSM on 23 April 2014 - 01:56 PM

Brian McGrattan, Colton Orr, Steve MacIntyre, Patrick Bordelaux  someone of that pack is hugely needed


then - which is hard to find - defensive help Pittsburgh likely won't have the money to re-sign him so maybe there is a slight chance at Niskanen but I would prefer someone like Luke Schenn (big mean, physical and nasty)


While I'm no longer one of those "WINGS NEED AN ENFORCER" types, I do think Holland/Babcock should consider having someone on the team that can keep the flies off.


It has to say something when EVERY team that has won a Cup in the salary cap era did so while carrying a player or players of that ilk on their roster for the entire season. Included our beloved 2008 Red Wings team.


I know one of the common laments is that the player takes a roster spot from a better player, but a better playing sitting as #14 forward isn't going to play much anyway...

#2514303 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by DSM on 23 April 2014 - 11:16 AM

John Scott.

#2512909 Your predictions for the roster heading into the offseason.

Posted by DSM on 21 April 2014 - 02:32 PM

abby - dats - alfie

Franzen - Z - Bertuzzi

Cleary - J. Williams - K. Calder

Cleary - Helm - Cleary




Kronwall - Lebda

Lilja - Coliacavo

Quincey - Lashoff


bench: smith kindl






That team is one Boyd Devereaux away from a dynasty... :P

#2433401 Who do we Unload, reload on before the season starts?

Posted by DSM on 15 August 2013 - 04:32 PM


IMO some of the players you listed won't be resigned, starting with Sammy, Bert, Eaves, & Emmerton because the next wave from GR will be ready, specifically Ferraro & Sheahan.  Granted, some of them may be gone sooner.  Wouldn't be surprised if Monster's gone too.  I think Quincey might be expendable as well because signing Ericsson will be the priority, you've got cheaper & hopefully still developing options in Kindl & Lashoff locked up, & they'll have Almquist potentially ready to move up as well.  Kind of frustrating that the Wings have too many bodies to fit on their roster over the next couple to few years but really exciting too.


Basically, I think that the salary cap will be less of an issue in 2014-15 & beyond because we should start to see younger, cheaper options starting to hit from the prospect pool. 


Oh absolutely. That's why I used "re-sign/replace", since anyone who isn't resigned will need to be replaced, whether it's from within or outside sources.


-Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Eaves and Gustavsson are probably pretty much gone. Alfredsson could retire. Emmerton will be an RFA, but obviously if the team thinks he can be replaced or that they'd have a hard time moving him once he's resigned, they can decline a qualifying offer.

-The Quincey situation will be interesting... Obviously Ericsson seems to be the more valuable of the two, but Quincey currently makes more.

-I doubt Sheahan will get a spot on the big club for 14/15 unless he shows big improvement in GR this season, or they know he'll be playing a big role. He'll have one more waiver exempt season after this one, and he'd probably be best kept in GR until his options are out.

-Almquist, Ferraro and Callahan are all out of minor league options after '13-14 and it seems they may have the fast track on any small role opening for '14/15.

-Howard has now proven that he can handle a big workload and should be expected to start 60+ games a year. After Gustavsson is gone, they could probably get away with using an experienced and cheap journeyman backup in the ilk of Conklin (the first time), Mason, McElhinney, Joey MacDonald etc. That way Mrazek can keep playing and developing in GR.

-I've also gotta think that with all of the cap space opening up after this next season and the potential retirement of Alfredsson, Holland will probably try to go after a big name in the UFA market next summer. Vanek? Pominville? Ryan Callahan? Michalek? Timonen? Thornton? Marleau? Boyle? Kessel? Phaneuf? Sedin(s)?

#2433311 Who do we Unload, reload on before the season starts?

Posted by DSM on 14 August 2013 - 07:17 PM

I dont know for sure, but I dont think you can just freely bury players on LTIR if they arent hurt. My guess is that the league has some sort of way to make sure that teams aren't using LTIR as a way to circumvent the cap.


Besides, Bertuzzi is 100% healthy, and Samuelsson is supposed to be ready for camp if he isn't already.


I doubt there will really be any way at all for the Red Wings to unload Samuelsson or Bertuzzi. I doubt any team wants to cough up assets for an aging winger that missed significant time last season, without the Red Wings eating up some of their cap hit. I also can't see Holland eating any salary since they are going to be so close to the cap this season... I also can't see either player waiving their NTC's this late in their careers.


I think the team would like to unload Tootoo, but only if the deal makes sense. I dont think they want to retain any of his salary, nor do they want to take on any more contracts or players. My guess is that interested teams want one or both of those included in a deal for Tootoo and Holland doesnt want either. If they cant move him sensibly, he'll be on the opening roster. Waiving him won't be benificial because the Red Wings would have to pay $975k against the cap for him to play in GR if he goes unclaimed.


I think part of this decision depends on Helm. If Helm isn't ready to go, Emmerton will stay on the team as the #4 center until Helm gets healthy. Then, if they don't have room, they could waive Emmerton. If he goes unclaimed, he can go to GR without anything counting against the Wings cap. With Re-entry waivers gone in the new CBA, they will be able to freely recall him without worrying about him getting claimed and having to pay half his cap hit. As much as I like Emmerton, if he gets claimed I don't think it will really be a big deal. Ferraro will get a look this season, and was probably already on track to get a spot as a #13/14 forward for the 14/15 season. If Emmerton is gone and they need a center to fill in, they have depth in GR. I would say that it would be pretty realistic to expect to Emmerton get traded or waived if Helm is healthy to start the season.


I think Eaves would be next in line to go. If he can't be traded, waiving him and sending him to GR will only cost the team $275k against the cap. Not a huge number to pay to get to the 23 man roster limit.


Another option they have would be to start Nyquist in GR. Probably won't be the best or most popular choice, but if they wait till about ten games in when teams start facing injuries and/or making decisions on whether to send junior eligible players back to their junior teams, they might be able to find a taker for some like Tootoo, Eaves or Emmerton. Then they can recall Nyquist for the rest of the season when the space opens up.


Dekeyser can start in GR, but I can't really see the logic in demoting a d-man, when you have a logjam at forward... Carrying 6 dmen and 15 forwards won't make much sense. If a dman comes down with an illness, a very short term injury or has to leave for personal reasons of some sort, they won't be able to recall another Dman and would have to dress five of them.


I think the Red WIngs options to get down to 14 forwards are as followed, in this order:


1. Trade Tootoo

2. Trade/Waive Emmerton

3. Trade/Waive Eaves

4. Start with Nyquist in GR

5. If still injured, start with Helm on IR

#2389433 Rebuilding Thoughts..

Posted by DSM on 25 April 2013 - 01:11 PM



I think the future top line is taking shape and will eventually consist of a real good nucleus.


Not saying they are locks as elite players but a future of:


Nyquist - Anderson - Tatar

Dekeyser - Smith



so far that is looking like a bright future!




I don't think any of those guys will be elite, but I think the Wings nucleus of young talent is much more extensive. The Red Wings will most likely have 11 players between the ages of 22-27 on their 23 man roster when next season starts: Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, Andersson, Emmerton, Abdelkader, Brunner, Kindl, DeKeyser, Lashoff and Smith. All of them have pretty much found a role and this team and some are young enough to still have lots of room to grow, while the ones entering their prime all seem to still be improving.

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#2389424 Rebuilding Thoughts..

Posted by DSM on 25 April 2013 - 12:51 PM

God these threads always blow. Makes me miss the dislike button or whatever it was even more...


I also like how Schultz, Parise and Suter had to be thrown in there too.


Complete waste of this forums bandwith, IMO.

#2383737 nhl.com calls Kenny the best GM

Posted by DSM on 12 April 2013 - 03:33 PM

I think some people here would love to have Glen Sather as GM. The teams mediocrity would be overshadowed by the Christmas morning like nature that trade deadline day and July 1st would hold!

#2382448 Damien Brunner - Value? Comparables?

Posted by DSM on 09 April 2013 - 11:52 AM

Brunnstrom's hat trick actually came in his NHL debut.


I think Brunner's struggles are linked to the unusual structure of his first season. They always keep pointing out that he's never had to travel this much, or play as much in one year. Combine that with the fact that he didn't get a full training camp or any exhibition games to get used to NHL ice, and I think that's the answer to his recent struggles.


I think they should give him an affordable 2 year deal, and see how much better he gets next season.

#2374378 Wings Make Offer to Danny D!

Posted by DSM on 26 March 2013 - 12:51 PM

How many of you are gonna cry if he doesn't sign with us?


I just can't wait for this whole "Dekeyidstrom" circus to be over. I laugh when posters talk like this kid (who has never seen anything close to NHL action) is going to be a huge boost to the Wings for the rest of this season. Makes me wonder if any of them have ever heard of a guy named Ray Staszak...

#2370705 Holland with Micky/Kenny...

Posted by DSM on 18 March 2013 - 12:58 PM

Yes, he is. We were more wondering if you can bury them in LTIR, and get cap relief. Due to 35+ contracts always getting the cap hit, yes, we still would have his cap hit next year. I think what more or less people were wondering, and myself, was with a 35+ contract on LTIR, can you still exceed the cap by that players cap hit? or no? If we buried him on LTIR, it would be useless if we can't use his cap space still. Might as well use a buy-out then. 


Sounds like you can still exceed the cap. It's explained here: http://flyersfaithfu...njured-reserve/


Also if you look at Capgeek, Philly is at the moment over the cap by $566k. This number is reflected in the "Projected LTIR" section on Philly's page.

#2369102 An appeal to heaven

Posted by DSM on 14 March 2013 - 05:32 PM

We have enough slump-prone forwards on this team. No need to overpay for another one...

#2369043 Datsyuk Leaving?!

Posted by DSM on 14 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

This is all just generated media hype. Just like Corey Perry trade rumors.


If you have brain cells, you should know that Corey Perry isn't going anywhere. With Anaheim's position in the standings, I doubt the thought of trading Perry has even crossed Murray's mind. It's all media generated speculation. They did the same thing last season with Parise and Suter, and neither player went anywhere.


In the media's eyes, it works like this:




This whole Datsyuk to Russia thing is the same way...


[Tells Russian Media it Would Be Nice to Retire in Russia] + [Contract up in 2014] = [OMG KHL IN 2014]


Until I hear something more substantial, I just brush it off as media fodder.