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#2361068 Mursak on waivers

Posted by DSM on 25 February 2013 - 11:23 AM

I have said this all along, Mursak is done as a Red Wing.  Too much young talent ready for the NHL, no room for him. 


He will, when he signs somewhere else as a RFA this off season...I will take whatever draft pick compensation we receive for him. Good luck in your career...


Him being an RFA is assuming that the Red Wings make a qualifying offer. With Nyquist, Tatar and Andersson all ahead of him on the depth chart, and Sheahan and Ferraro knocking on the door, he doesn't seem to be in the Red Wings future plans. That being said, it's possible the Red Wings may just let him become a UFA this summer.


I think you need to do a little more research on RFA's. Like I said before, in order for Mursak to become an RFA, he needs to be tendered a qualifying offer, otherwise he becomes a UFA. If he doesn't accept that offer, he becomes an RFA. In order for another team to sign him as an RFA, they would need to send him an offer sheet. Now let's be realistic here, no team has EVER sent an offer sheet to a player that hasn't proved they belong in the NHL. However, let's say he does get sent an offer sheet. In order for the Red Wings to get compensation, the offer sheet would have to be a deal for more than $1,110,250 a season. If a GM were to send Jan Mursak an offer sheet for more than $1,110,250 a season, they would probably not have a job as a GM for much longer or even ever again.


Let's face it, Jan Mursak may have some skill and may be a good guy, but it's looking like he is NOT an NHL caliber player. The 29 other teams in the NHL had a chance to put him on their team for no cost at all, and they all passed.


Good luck to you Jan.

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#2359492 Mursak on waivers

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

The exact same thing happened when Holland had to waive Quincey to keep Meech.  People wept tears of blood and whipped themselves in the street.  For the next two seasons we all heard how Holland made a huge mistake and he had to get Q back.  When Kenny brings back the Q we all see how much worse he is than Ericsson and we're glad big-E stuck with the team.


I wouldn't be surprised if they called Ferraro up or maybe Riley.  I have a feeling Sheahan will have to wait on account of his bad choices off the ice.  The only reason I think they'd aim for one of those guys over Nyquist is how crappy the PK has been.


Ferraro would give the team the speed and grit on the PK that we're missing with Helm gone.  Doesn't hurt that Ferraro is scoring shorties in the AHL and has almost the same top speed as Helm but with a decent set of hands. 



#2359475 Trading Filppula

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 02:21 PM

^ Agreed ^


Listen, I love Flip. But if Detroit continue to free-fall and I were Holland, I'd let everyone know he was available. If Guastad gets you a 1st and 3rd or something, imagine what Filpulla gets you as a rental for a contender.


At some point you have to deal from your strengths (Detroit could possible replace Filp with Jarnkrok or Nyquist hopefully) to improve your weeknesses (more high-end prospects).


I would say the same thing about free agency. If Detroit can get a legit scoring winger for the same cap hit Filpulla may command, then you have to seriously explore this option.


All this being said, I'd have no problem if they kept him for the next 5-7 years either.


I somewhat agree. If the Red Wings aren't in the play off hunt at the deadline, they could probably get a decent return for him from a contender. The guy may not be having a good season so far, but he netted 66pts last season and has one of the most impressive playoff resume's for a player under 30. He would bring a decent package.Then, they can replace him in the top 6 with Tatar or Nyquist, or sing an top 6 forward that brings a different dimension.


I think the same would go for Ian White at the deadline.


Once again (for the 4th time I think...) however, Filppula will have no value to teams like Columbus or Calgary.

I have nothing against Filps but I also agree with people stating, that he is our best asset. I could see a team like the Blue Jackets highly interested in him, they do have 3 round picks this year so if we could get a first round pick from them for him, it would be great. Better get something out of him than let him leave for nothing in the offseason right?




Kick the tires for JayBo and offer Filps + 2nd + Kindl this would give the Flames a pick, an estabilished NHL player plus a depth guy.


If I'm Jay Feaster and Holland calls me with that offer, I would hang up the phone immediately.

#2359468 Tootoo

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

The were a lot more variables in 09 than the lack of enforcers.  And even so it came so close they could just have easily have won the cup. 


Also you can't honestly tell me you would rather have Tootoo than Hossa. 


I'm not saying I would rather have any player over another player. Just making an observation.

#2359456 Tootoo

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

Yeah forget the superstar players and one of the greatest defensemen of all time.  They didn't contribute nearly as much as our 4th line grinders....


Think about it this way: The next season one of those gritty players retired (Drake) and the other two spent the majority of the season in GR (McCarty and Downey). They were not replaced. Instead, the Red Wings added ANOTHER SUPERSTAR (Hossa) and iced mostly the same team, but couldn't win it again against the same opponent. Interesting....

#2359441 Tootoo

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

Anyone who calls Tootoo "just a goon" either knows nothing about hockey, or hasn't watched any games this season. He can skate well, control the puck and creates chances here and there. Plus, this whole Dorsett deal is the first "questionable" thing that he has done this season. I'm actually glad he did it too. Ericsson has been probably the Red Wings best dman, no sense in him fighting and being off the ice for 5 minutes or worse, getting hurt.


Wrap your minds around this: The last time this team had players like Tootoo on it. They won a cup...

#2358647 Holland looking around

Posted by DSM on 21 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

Why does everybody seem to think Datsyuk is ready to just pack his bags and go back to Russia? He told the Russian media that he "would like to retire" in Russia. Doesn't mean that he wants to when his deal is done, or that he will do it at all.


Lidstrom talked about going back to Sweden as far back as 1999, and retired a Wing 13 years later.


Come on now guys...

There are guys out there that can help us, both today and for the next 5-8 years. It is up to Holland to go get them. Would O'reilly help? yes. name your price Colorado. 22 year old soon to be star C's don't grow on trees and we are in need. would Yannick weber help? hell yes. 25 year old puck moving RH Dman sitting on the Habs bench. Both would be instant upgrades to our team, and are very young. There is no reason not to expect Weber to be playing at a high level for the next 7 years. O"reilly for another 10 years.

Of course there are others mentioned in rumors and some that are not.

as for what we have to pay, basicly anyone not named Z, Smith, or Howard or anyone playing in juniors can be moved. yes that would include Datsyuk. again, has to be the right deal. Holland can't afford to be shy anymore. yes some gambles have to be taken, just not sure he will this late in his career.


Boy, am I glad you don't have Hollands job... You'd make Mike Milbury look like Bill Torrey, and Garth Snow look like Art Ross.

#2358542 Trading Filppula

Posted by DSM on 21 February 2013 - 10:16 AM

Teams can share salary, but not cap hit.

People are ignoring the fact that trading a player when his value is low means getting little in return.


You're ingnoring the fact that trade value means little in NHL13 GM Mode.... :lol:



If anyone is hoping that Holland packages Filppula for a better player (Bobby Ryan, #1 dman, etc etc), you're dreaming. Slated to become a UFA, Filppula has ZERO value in a trade like that. The players that teams would most want for players like Bobby Ryan would include: Brendan Smith, Darren Helm, Gustav Nyquist or Tomas Tatar AND draft picks. No, they won't want Dan Cleary, Mikael Samuelsson, Ian White or Kyle Quincey.


They only way Holland even considers moving Filppula is if by April 3rd the Red Wings are out of the playoff picture. Playoff teams, or teams close to the playoffs will no doubt be calling Holland with offers for Filppula. And don't get your hopes up, they WILL NOT be offering players of Bobby Ryans caliber in exchange. They WILL be offering draft picks, lower level roster players and/or mediocre prospects. If your curious as to what that may be, look back at the past 5 trade deadlines and look at the returns for 2nd line forwards. The return will be something like that.


If the Red Wings are poised to make the playoffs, or are on the playoff bubble, Filppula will go nowhere. EVEN if they think he will sign elsewhere in the offseason.


/ end thread.

#2358313 Biggest mistake Red Wings have done

Posted by DSM on 20 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

Aren't the two bolded statements the same??  So, which is it? Are you pissed or super-pissed that Holland didn't land Suter?

...because that was his plan.  As far as depth... White, Quincy, Cola... all depth defensemen... just not that #1 guy.


Or the classic: "He didn't do enough to land Suter"


Guys on here were hoping that Holland would kidnap his family and hold them ransom until he signed.

#2357544 O'Reilly Trade Rumor

Posted by DSM on 19 February 2013 - 02:19 PM

you are not really silly enough to judge any player on 7 games are you? Didn't Smith have a great little 8 game streak last year as well? The question with tatar is can he do it over 80 games? i don't think he can or will. Untill he plays a full season or 2, we will not know. I have said on many different threads, PLAY NYQUIST and Tatar so we do know. When it is all said and done, I beleive they will settle in as 40 point per year players. 18-20 goals and 20 or so assists every year. Horrible, no. Stars? No.

I agree. It is the type of move we need, but we will not make.

This team needs a quality top4 dman wayyyy before they need Ryan O'Reilly.

#2357543 Holland looking around

Posted by DSM on 19 February 2013 - 02:15 PM

Holland has never done a full rebuild, because he ahs never had to. we do now. When the captain and shanny left, we were still a loaded team. Which he did go out a couple of years later and added Hossa, rafalski etc too. Now wea re not a loaded team and we are tied by the cap.

As for new, LOL! I have been a RW fan longer than most on thsi forum have been alive.


The team wasn't exactly loaded up front, a lot of players ended up stepping up to fill the void.


Rafalski and Hossa were added by that "key vet here and there approach" that you lamented earlier.


How is this team not loaded? They have plenty of depth, which has kept them afloat as injuries have piled up. They also have a lot of good young talent that is showing that they are ready to make a contribution as well. There is absolutely no reason for a "rebuild".


I apologize if you are a long time fan. No offense, it just doesn't seem like it....

What makes you think you'd be better at managing an NHL roster than our current management?


Probably NHL13.

#2354532 Biggest mistake Red Wings have done

Posted by DSM on 12 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

I wouldn't say bringing back Burt was bad he was very good last year. The biggest mistake with out a doubt was bringing in Krupp with out any other close to that bone head move


I wouldn't say signing Krupp was a mistake. A 6'6" Dman who could play in both ends of the ice that had won a cup with Colorado. He was supposed to fill the void left by Konstantinov. Bowman loved the guy, having drafted him in Buffalo. I don't think the Red Wings anticipated that he was going to get hurt and then go dog sledding while he was supposed to be healing. However, without that little debacle the Wings would have had no need to trade for Chelios later that season.


The mistake was lifting his suspension and letting him play the last year of his contract. He only played a handful of games before shutting it down for the regular season. Bowman decided to put him in the line up in Olausson's place at the start of the playoffs, and we lost thefirst 2 games to Vancouver. Krupp was like a -4 over both games. After that, he was done. Thank god we won that series and eventually the cup...

#2354525 Biggest mistake Red Wings have done

Posted by DSM on 12 February 2013 - 09:22 PM


losing hossa for franzen

trading for quincey

re-signing sammy

holding onto vets too long


Hindsight's 20/20 on the first two. If you combine the regular season and playoffs, Franzen and Hossa had the same number of goals that season. Franzen seemed to be on the upswing, and he came cheaper. Retaining Hossa would've meant dumping another player as well. Since the Wings were in a cap crunch, retaining Franzen made sense.


The Quincey trade made sense to help alleviate the loss of atleast Stuart. He wasn't that great at the end of last season, but he has been coming around as of late.


Can't really dog the re-signing of Samuelsson yet because he's only played two games...


And finally, other than Osgood's last couple of years, I can't think of any veteran players that were ever a liability to the team. Did we hang on to Lidstrom too long?


I'm going to come way out of left field with mine....


I'm not going to say it was a mistake, but I always thought Holland should have signed Belfour instead of Cujo in the summer of 2002.

#2354264 Do We Really Need a New Stadium?

Posted by DSM on 11 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

I was at the game yesterday. I can't stand the concourse. If you want to get up and not miss any of the game ,good luck because it is virtually impossible. Takes forever to go to the bathroom, takes forever to get food/drinks, takes forever to leave. Don't even get me started on the bathrooms... Kind of an embarassing story, but at a game last year my stomach became conveniently angry during 1st intermission. I needed to use the bathroom badddd, and not to pee.... I got to the bathroom and the line was massive. Once I made it into the fricken door, I saw ONLY 2 STALLS! Even with all the pee troth space, people were using the 2 stalls to pee while I waited in line. Once I got to one of the stalls, there was piss EVERYWHERE! So yea, that was my horrible JLA story...


Parking sucks too.I hate parking in the garage because you have to walk through that stupid tunnel thing at a snails pace. And I also hate parking on the Cobo roof, because after the game everyone is packed in that little entry way waiting for the slow elevators, and it takes about 10 minutes of shuffling through them to get to the stairs.


From what I've come to understand, the city wants the land that JLA is on to expand Cobo anyway...

#2352240 Landon Ferraro or Sheahan?

Posted by DSM on 07 February 2013 - 12:09 PM

Might want to read that again. He said ALL BUT Tatar would have to be exposed to waivers meaning that Tatar IS waiver exempt.


Oops. Missed the "all". Sorry about that, I'll go get some more coffee. However, Lashoff is also waiver exempt.