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#2359492 Mursak on waivers

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

The exact same thing happened when Holland had to waive Quincey to keep Meech.  People wept tears of blood and whipped themselves in the street.  For the next two seasons we all heard how Holland made a huge mistake and he had to get Q back.  When Kenny brings back the Q we all see how much worse he is than Ericsson and we're glad big-E stuck with the team.


I wouldn't be surprised if they called Ferraro up or maybe Riley.  I have a feeling Sheahan will have to wait on account of his bad choices off the ice.  The only reason I think they'd aim for one of those guys over Nyquist is how crappy the PK has been.


Ferraro would give the team the speed and grit on the PK that we're missing with Helm gone.  Doesn't hurt that Ferraro is scoring shorties in the AHL and has almost the same top speed as Helm but with a decent set of hands. 



#2359475 Trading Filppula

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 02:21 PM

^ Agreed ^


Listen, I love Flip. But if Detroit continue to free-fall and I were Holland, I'd let everyone know he was available. If Guastad gets you a 1st and 3rd or something, imagine what Filpulla gets you as a rental for a contender.


At some point you have to deal from your strengths (Detroit could possible replace Filp with Jarnkrok or Nyquist hopefully) to improve your weeknesses (more high-end prospects).


I would say the same thing about free agency. If Detroit can get a legit scoring winger for the same cap hit Filpulla may command, then you have to seriously explore this option.


All this being said, I'd have no problem if they kept him for the next 5-7 years either.


I somewhat agree. If the Red Wings aren't in the play off hunt at the deadline, they could probably get a decent return for him from a contender. The guy may not be having a good season so far, but he netted 66pts last season and has one of the most impressive playoff resume's for a player under 30. He would bring a decent package.Then, they can replace him in the top 6 with Tatar or Nyquist, or sing an top 6 forward that brings a different dimension.


I think the same would go for Ian White at the deadline.


Once again (for the 4th time I think...) however, Filppula will have no value to teams like Columbus or Calgary.

I have nothing against Filps but I also agree with people stating, that he is our best asset. I could see a team like the Blue Jackets highly interested in him, they do have 3 round picks this year so if we could get a first round pick from them for him, it would be great. Better get something out of him than let him leave for nothing in the offseason right?




Kick the tires for JayBo and offer Filps + 2nd + Kindl this would give the Flames a pick, an estabilished NHL player plus a depth guy.


If I'm Jay Feaster and Holland calls me with that offer, I would hang up the phone immediately.

#2359468 Tootoo

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

The were a lot more variables in 09 than the lack of enforcers.  And even so it came so close they could just have easily have won the cup. 


Also you can't honestly tell me you would rather have Tootoo than Hossa. 


I'm not saying I would rather have any player over another player. Just making an observation.

#2359456 Tootoo

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

Yeah forget the superstar players and one of the greatest defensemen of all time.  They didn't contribute nearly as much as our 4th line grinders....


Think about it this way: The next season one of those gritty players retired (Drake) and the other two spent the majority of the season in GR (McCarty and Downey). They were not replaced. Instead, the Red Wings added ANOTHER SUPERSTAR (Hossa) and iced mostly the same team, but couldn't win it again against the same opponent. Interesting....

#2359441 Tootoo

Posted by DSM on 22 February 2013 - 01:05 PM

Anyone who calls Tootoo "just a goon" either knows nothing about hockey, or hasn't watched any games this season. He can skate well, control the puck and creates chances here and there. Plus, this whole Dorsett deal is the first "questionable" thing that he has done this season. I'm actually glad he did it too. Ericsson has been probably the Red Wings best dman, no sense in him fighting and being off the ice for 5 minutes or worse, getting hurt.


Wrap your minds around this: The last time this team had players like Tootoo on it. They won a cup...

#2358313 Biggest mistake Red Wings have done

Posted by DSM on 20 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

Aren't the two bolded statements the same??  So, which is it? Are you pissed or super-pissed that Holland didn't land Suter?

...because that was his plan.  As far as depth... White, Quincy, Cola... all depth defensemen... just not that #1 guy.


Or the classic: "He didn't do enough to land Suter"


Guys on here were hoping that Holland would kidnap his family and hold them ransom until he signed.

#2354532 Biggest mistake Red Wings have done

Posted by DSM on 12 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

I wouldn't say bringing back Burt was bad he was very good last year. The biggest mistake with out a doubt was bringing in Krupp with out any other close to that bone head move


I wouldn't say signing Krupp was a mistake. A 6'6" Dman who could play in both ends of the ice that had won a cup with Colorado. He was supposed to fill the void left by Konstantinov. Bowman loved the guy, having drafted him in Buffalo. I don't think the Red Wings anticipated that he was going to get hurt and then go dog sledding while he was supposed to be healing. However, without that little debacle the Wings would have had no need to trade for Chelios later that season.


The mistake was lifting his suspension and letting him play the last year of his contract. He only played a handful of games before shutting it down for the regular season. Bowman decided to put him in the line up in Olausson's place at the start of the playoffs, and we lost thefirst 2 games to Vancouver. Krupp was like a -4 over both games. After that, he was done. Thank god we won that series and eventually the cup...

#2354525 Biggest mistake Red Wings have done

Posted by DSM on 12 February 2013 - 09:22 PM


losing hossa for franzen

trading for quincey

re-signing sammy

holding onto vets too long


Hindsight's 20/20 on the first two. If you combine the regular season and playoffs, Franzen and Hossa had the same number of goals that season. Franzen seemed to be on the upswing, and he came cheaper. Retaining Hossa would've meant dumping another player as well. Since the Wings were in a cap crunch, retaining Franzen made sense.


The Quincey trade made sense to help alleviate the loss of atleast Stuart. He wasn't that great at the end of last season, but he has been coming around as of late.


Can't really dog the re-signing of Samuelsson yet because he's only played two games...


And finally, other than Osgood's last couple of years, I can't think of any veteran players that were ever a liability to the team. Did we hang on to Lidstrom too long?


I'm going to come way out of left field with mine....


I'm not going to say it was a mistake, but I always thought Holland should have signed Belfour instead of Cujo in the summer of 2002.

#2354264 Do We Really Need a New Stadium?

Posted by DSM on 11 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

I was at the game yesterday. I can't stand the concourse. If you want to get up and not miss any of the game ,good luck because it is virtually impossible. Takes forever to go to the bathroom, takes forever to get food/drinks, takes forever to leave. Don't even get me started on the bathrooms... Kind of an embarassing story, but at a game last year my stomach became conveniently angry during 1st intermission. I needed to use the bathroom badddd, and not to pee.... I got to the bathroom and the line was massive. Once I made it into the fricken door, I saw ONLY 2 STALLS! Even with all the pee troth space, people were using the 2 stalls to pee while I waited in line. Once I got to one of the stalls, there was piss EVERYWHERE! So yea, that was my horrible JLA story...


Parking sucks too.I hate parking in the garage because you have to walk through that stupid tunnel thing at a snails pace. And I also hate parking on the Cobo roof, because after the game everyone is packed in that little entry way waiting for the slow elevators, and it takes about 10 minutes of shuffling through them to get to the stairs.


From what I've come to understand, the city wants the land that JLA is on to expand Cobo anyway...

#2349102 Finding a dance partner and rebuilding our team.

Posted by DSM on 30 January 2013 - 10:02 AM

Ok, clearly you didn't read what I posted. I already have included lashoof, Sheahan, and Nyquist on the team. Ferraro is nothing, Andersson is a 12th through 14th F at best, and tatar is nothing more than a AHL forward. None of those guys is capable of posting a 40 point season in the NHL. Not one. You amy beleive otherwise, which is fine. But on this one I am right. So again, there is nothing to bring up. Cleary and Miller are UFA's. Emmerton and Mursak are RFA IIRC. That could be 4 more holes already, and we have done nothing to improve the team. At best it is a net neutral thing. But go sign UFA's. Again, with what money. We have 19 million to spend this off season, without trades or buyouts. But we also have to resign Howard 5-6 million, Filppula 5-6 million, and Brunner 3 million +. That basicly wipes out our entire FA budget. Now we could keep datsyuk and let Filppula walk. But why would you do that? Fil put up equal numbers to dat and is 6 years younger. Might be able to gt him cheaper as well. If you let Fil walk, then we get nothing. At least dat brings 2-3 NHL ready players back.

BTW, the 29 other teams in the NHL had a chance to sign Q last summer, and all passed on him. Now you think some teamis willing to give up something to get him? Very unlikely. But again, if we can trade him, DO IT! I would rather trade guys than cut them. We get zero from a cut. I don't care if we pick up just 7th rd picks. There is still a chance with those.


You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?


1st off, I made no mention of where prospects fit in the line up, I merely responded to your notion that we had no quality prospects. Also, where is your speculation on Ferraro, Andersson and Tatar from? I'm not saying that I know where they will end up, but Ferraro has made huge imporvement in just his 2nd AHL season, and Tatar and Andersson are near point per game performers in the AHL... All three are performing better than Sheahan, who you have included in your cute NHL13 fantasy. 


Secondly, Quincey was an RFA this past summer. Do I need to explain to you what the difference is between a UFA and an RFA? 29 teams did not have the chance sign him, the Red WIngs held his rights. And before you blab about offer sheets, understand that they only come around for real CLUTCH players like top line forwards and top pairing dmen. For what Detroit signed him for, a team would've had to sacrifice a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick for him. I'm sure a lot of teams wouldn't have wanted to give up their first three picks in the next draft.


Lastly... Have you watched any games so far this season? Datsyuk has been this teams best forward. You want to trade him out of fear of losing Filppula via UFA? It's a good thing you don't have Ken Hollands job... For one thing, there's no way Filppula gets 5-6mil if the Red Wings resign him...



#2348511 Finding a dance partner and rebuilding our team.

Posted by DSM on 29 January 2013 - 05:28 PM

Quincey? No way. Franzen, very small chance. Which if anyone wants him, they can have him. Here is the thing about his bad contract. Even if he retires tomorrow, he is a cap hit for 8 more years. If we trade him or buy him out, no more cap hit. That is the only way to escape the 4 million per year cap hit.

Nice to see all the deep and insightfull posts. For those that advacate keeping datsyuk, franzen and the like, I poss you the question: how do we get better then? By keeping those contracts, and resigning the guys we should keep there isn't any money for FA's. There are also no other prospects ready in the system to replace what we lose. Don't let your fandom blind you to the realities we face.


last thing, no need to be rude. if you don't like what I think, that is fine. No need to be immature about it.



Umm. Sorry but both are Proven NHL players than can play in the top 6 of a lot of teams offense (Franzen) and top 4 of a lot of teams defense (Quincey). Quincey is a UFA after next season and is low risk, I'm sure a lot of teams would take a chance on him even though he is having a hard time in Detroit. Franzen has scored at a 20-30 goal a season pace the last 5 seasons and his cap hit isn't exactly huge. I'm sure a lot of teams would be glad to add him to their team for the right price.


We do have some good prospects in the system. Lashoff will most likely be a regular next season. Andersson, Tatar and Nyquist are all ready for shots at regular duty. Ferraro and Sheahan are both a couple years from competing for a spot. Mrazek is putting up good numbers in the net in the AHL.


The team is fine. When everyone (or most everyone) is healthy and the PP picks up, this team will be competitive. No need for a full scale rebuild that calls for dumping off just about everyone in the Red Wings Top 6 forwards...


A rebuild of the magnitude you are suggesting would give an XBOX360 the red ring of death if done in a season on NHL13...

#2348437 Finding a dance partner and rebuilding our team.

Posted by DSM on 29 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

My head hurts from reading all this NHL13 fantasy talk.


Buyout Quincey and Franzen? They would both certainly attract something in return from a trade before we would need to buy them out...


Do my eyes decieve me, or do I see Samuelsson on the 1st and Brunner on the 3rd line? Wow.

#2348419 Kindl's future...

Posted by DSM on 29 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

Couple articles on Mlive about Kindl's future in the organization.









#2345923 PK Subban

Posted by DSM on 24 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

Abdelkader, unlike Helm, is expendable.  


This team really seems to struggle when Helm isn't around.  



I agree Helm is much more valuable that Abdelkader, but I think Abdelkaders age makes him the most attractive out of the "expendable" bunch.

Who was the last black guy to play in Detroit?  Nathan Robinson?


I always pushed for Holland to get Mike Grier or Georges Laraque, but he never did.   


I'd love to have Wayne Simmonds...

#2345843 worse before better.....

Posted by DSM on 24 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

Notable teams currently out of a playoff spot.


Detroit Red Wings

Vancouver Canucks

Philadelphia Flyers

New York Rangers

Washington Capitals


By this logic, all of these teams are damned to having a terrible season, here's what I think we should do.


1) Watch hockey.


2) Repeat step 1 until 15-20 games into the season.


3) Use logic and see how teams are REALLY going to play the rest of the season after they actually play some hockey, get their bearings together from not playing in the NHL for so long, some not playing any hockey at all in 9 months, no preseason, and minimal training camps.


I've mentioned this before, look at the standings as we are 3 games into the season. The Flyers, Rangers, Canucks will in no way finish in the bottom of their respective conferences as they sit now, because determining the layout and future of a team this soon into the season is ridiculous. I'm not sure why this isn't understood better. This isn't the NFL where we play a dozen and a half games and even in a shortened season, starting 1-2-0 doesn't spell catastrophic scenario in my mind.



You forgot:


4) Make trades on NHL13