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If he does leave Holland should Trade his rights for some players or picks.

Kenny won't be able to get anything for his rights given his family situation is very public information.  The CA teams know it and realistically won't give up anything if they know their competition is extremely limited.

There is an injury bug every season, around this same time, to a similar degree. Its strange, almost like clockwork you get to late February and players start dropping like flies. Babcock can only play Fil and Z 20 minutes or so a night, less on back-to-backs, so the team sorely needs Hudler to improve or be replaces and Franzen to play like he is capable of. Neither of these are happening. Cleary is either injured and should grab a seat, or healthy and should grab a seat. White should be playing better and the Wings PP should shoot the puck more, things that can happen with the current lineup.

The most frustrating thing about Injury Season 2012 isn't the players who are out or up, its the players who continue to slack and waste the efforts of the few players we have going. I'd rather see any of Miller, Abdelkader, or Nyquist up with Val and Hank, over someone like Hudler, at least then they would all be skating hard. It might be time to put all of our eggs in two baskets, so to speak. Let the 4th line continue to suck; there's no helping them. Leave the energy line intact and give them second line minutes. Let the third line become the float line, Hudler-Franzen-Cleary. And give Filppula and Zetterberg young skilled help in Nyquist.

Passengers no longer benefit from while hindering the workers, improving the top lines and hopefully forcing the floaters to do less floating.

At the risk of sounding like Eva, Hudler hasn't been nearly as bad as people are making him out to be.  The guy has put up 42 points so far this season, half of which are goals.  Are some of them luck or the result of good linemates, of course.  However, name one NHL'er who doesn't get lucky goals or benefits from playing with good linemates.  s***, Z scores some terribly lucky goals.  His off-angle shots always magically go in and sometimes they tend to fall when he's in his worst slumps.

Again, I'm in the same boat with you as Franzen.  Cleary hasn't been himself much of the season either, but I expect way more out of Franzen than I do #11.

Datsyuk and Lidstrom are top-tier. Bertuzzi has his flashes of brilliance, but like Mule, floats 85% of the time, a beneficiary of Datsyuk. Kindl and Ericsson have since been replaced by better players in Quincey and Smith, while Janik has been unnoticeable, in a good way. Eaves is the only one outside of Datsyuk and Lidstrom who we should really miss, beyond Bertuzzi being a reasonable improvement over Cleary in the top 6.

The bold part perplexes me: exactly which players have stepped up as we needed to? Franzen, who it seems is impossible to interest sufficiently to get him to put in much effort, to the point where he is being pushed around from young legs to young legs, continuing to waste other players enthusiasm? Hudler, who he far greater hindrance than help on a line with two players who are playing stellar despite him? White, who in the absence of Lidstrom has seen a sharp decline?

Now if you're referring to Filppula and Zetterberg, I'd say they were stepped up prior and never a problem. If you're talking about our two AHL call-ups in Smith and Nyquist that have been great, I would agree, despite the fact that they should be called on only to stop the bleeding, not shoulder significant load (for instance, Janik as been pretty good). The problem with most injuries is both the lack of the players you lose and the assumed ineptitude of the players at the low end of the depth chart. Unfortunately, the majority of said ineptitude exists in the players who had a roster spot prior to the injury bug, the ones on the higher end of the pay scale.

On paper this team should be mediocre, but performing. It isn't either. Half the team isn't skating on any given night, with the ones who are supposed to be part of the solution (Franzen, Hudler, etc.) instead being the heart of the problem. And as for mediocre: 6-4 is mediocre. 5-5 is mediocre. 3-6-1 is bad. The 3: Kings, Wild, Bluejackets (10th, 13th, and 15th, respectively)

The guys I was referring to that have stepped up are Z and Fil.  Franzen, I'll grant you but I'm talking about the guys that we rely on to be top-end with an injured lineup or not.  

TBH, I just think people are getting pissy simply because this team is playing to a level that should be expected with the lineup they're currently icing and unfortunately it happens to be at one of the most crucial times of the regular season.

Datsyuk and Lidstrom are top-tier. Bertuzzi has his flashes of brilliance, but like Mule, floats 85% of the time, a beneficiary of Datsyuk. Kindl and Ericsson have since been replaced by better players in Quincey and Smith, while Janik has been unnoticeable, in a good way. Eaves is the only one outside of Datsyuk and Lidstrom who we should really miss, beyond Bertuzzi being a reasonable improvement over Cleary in the top 6.

The bold part perplexes me: exactly which players have stepped up as we needed to? Franzen, who it seems is impossible to interest sufficiently to get him to put in much effort, to the point where he is being pushed around from young legs to young legs, continuing to waste other players enthusiasm? Hudler, who he far greater hindrance than help on a line with two players who are playing stellar despite him? White, who in the absence of Lidstrom has seen a sharp decline?

Now if you're referring to Filppula and Zetterberg, I'd say they were stepped up prior and never a problem. If you're talking about our two AHL call-ups in Smith and Nyquist that have been great, I would agree, despite the fact that they should be called on only to stop the bleeding, not shoulder significant load (for instance, Janik as been pretty good). The problem with most injuries is both the lack of the players you lose and the assumed ineptitude of the players at the low end of the depth chart. Unfortunately, the majority of said ineptitude exists in the players who had a roster spot prior to the injury bug, the ones on the higher end of the pay scale.

On paper this team should be mediocre, but performing. It isn't either. Half the team isn't skating on any given night, with the ones who are supposed to be part of the solution (Franzen, Hudler, etc.) instead being the heart of the problem. And as for mediocre: 6-4 is mediocre. 5-5 is mediocre. 3-6-1 is bad. The 3: Kings, Wild, Bluejackets (10th, 13th, and 15th, respectively)

Clearly a shake-up on the PP is needed.  As far as calling players out, do you really believe Babs should get on Dats' case given he hasn't played in 3 weeks and Lids who hasn't played in a couple?  Do you really feel "calling them out" as you say is going to all of a sudden make the PP click?

These aren't a bunch of middle-schoolers...or the Montreal Canadiens.  Calling them out isn't going to do s***.

Yep and someone will go down in the playoffs and they will exit that round.  A team built like that is a team built to lose when it matters.  A team does not give up 4 SHGs in 6 games because Dats and Lids are missing.  A team does not forget how to play defense because Lids is hurt.  There are bigger problems with this team than injuries.

The Wings have had 7 starters (most top-tier) out of the lineup the past few weeks.  This isn't a matter of the team relying solely on two players (even though they are two of the best in world, so it should justify a fair amount of recent sloppy play).

The Wings defense is ravaged and you've got guys playing the point on the PP that have no business there, yet you're surprised they all of a sudden are giving up shorty's?  It can't be more obvious than the obvious.  

The biggest problem/obstacle for this team once they've gotten healthy is putting up their share of wins on the road.  They're not going to go between 8-0 and 16-0 at home in the playoffs so that should be the focus down the stretch.  This team with all its injuries is playing like they should, mediocre.  The bright side of things is that in the absence of our injured, the guys we needed to step up, without question have.

No chance this is true, they're lucky to be where they are now thanks to jimmy and an insane home streak

Yeah, you're right....those 20 guys in front of him, solid play and health had nothing to do with their record.

Please!

This teams doesn't need a call out...it needs to get healthy.  Everything else will fall into place once that happens.

Haha!  

An "article" from a website called "obnoxious fan" that only has three total articles (one of which rips the Blackhawks) and you want us to believe this was done by a Wings fan?  Atleast we now know your name Cajanek...or should I say, Bruce Mason.  

Get a life.  Stop looking for big brother's validation.

Brutal but clean hit.  What pisses me off more than anything, is that in the new NHL when a player gets rocked, the hitter is immediately sought after and play is stopped.  It drives me absolutely crazy!  What the hell happened to "remember" the hit and lay one back on him later on?

It's to the point where I'd almost like to see a penalty called for the person that causes the stoppage for those reasons within 10 seconds of a hit.

Holland says no other moves for Detroit

....and cue the *****-fest.

Poile says he's "Not Trading Suter" via Pierre LeBrun on Twitter.

I'm so glad the Nash trade to Nashville didn't go through.  Not only would that keep him in our division but even worse, it would likely seal the deal for both Weber and Suter to stay in NSH given their owner would essentially be giving the green light to become a cap team.

so i never said it...thanks.

glad we cleared that up.

Congrats, you're the first person in history to believe they can insinuate, then back-track and proclaim they didn't say anything.  You're not fooling anyone.

I'm done with this futile and childish conversation.  Grow up and quit pouting.

i said this...where?

i can't wait to see the wings do absolutely nothing today.  so glad they have all that cap space.

When you make comments about having lots of cap space, one can put two and two together.  Comments like the above insinuate more than you realize.

You didn't come out and directly say it, but your constant criticism is not only unwarranted, its annoying.

so exactly what was your problem with my statement?  i don't want holland to sit on this cap space  when the team has obvious needs to address.

do you disagree with that?

or did you want to insult me again?  i'd report those posts to a mod, but oh, what a surprise...you are one!

Report me for what?  I called you out for acting like a child, because you are in fact....acting like a child.

I don't disagree that the Wings have needs.  I do disagree with the way you come across and your simple-minded approach to GM'ing.  Just because the Wings have needs (which they do), it doesn't mean Kenny should mortgage the farm for a single shot at the Cup this year.  The reason the Wings are perennial Cup contenders is *because* Kenny doesn't give in to the knee-jerk reactions you specifically are calling for.

Understand?

i have a NMC, sorry.



the team has no needs, right?  sure.

Did I say the team has no needs?  You listen/read as well as a child too.

i can't wait to see the wings do absolutely nothing today.  so glad they have all that cap space.

"Fans" like you are so ignorant and childish.  You want a move just for the sake of having one, not necessarily because its the best thing for the team.  You're like a child that spends his weekly allowance the day he gets it.  Future be damned, just throw away all those picks/prospects to get SFT his f*cking minor toys.

Sometime the best move is not making one, regardless of available cap space.