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#2533045 Favorite Dan Cleary Moment or Play

Posted by GMRwings1983 on Yesterday, 11:48 AM

My favorite moment is when GMR roots for him all game long....thats not my favorite moment..I hate it. hahaha


Well, he does provide a comic element.


This team lacks offensive talent and has no toughness.  Hard to find anything else to be positive about besides the village idiot.  

#2532900 Jim Paek leaves Griffs to help run Korean Hockey

Posted by F.Michael on 23 July 2014 - 06:19 PM

We're so bad, that people would rather go to North Korea than work with the Wings.






I've already registered with letsgopanthers.com


GMR.....I need to go welcome you there then...Hillbillypantherfan is my name there.......hahahahahahhahahah 



You losers need to follow a team with a bright future.....Join me here http://www.leafsforever.ca/

#2532885 Jim Paek leaves Griffs to help run Korean Hockey

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 23 July 2014 - 12:29 PM

We're so bad, that people would rather go to North Korea than work with the Wings.





Didn't you know? The Redwings org has lost its shine. no one wants to be here anymore. It's only a matter of time before the fans start leaving.


I've already registered with letsgopanthers.com

#2532727 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by FireCaptain on 21 July 2014 - 04:57 PM

This make brain hurt.




Ogre....good! I did not know the date had past! I am happy to hear that!


Forgive me guys for the "Diesel" nickname.  I started calling him that back when he was still in WMU.  Everyone was calling him Danny D and the only other Danny (its actually an I) D I knew of is Danielle Colby from The American Pickers...her Burlesque stage name is Danni Diesel and the guys on the show call her Danni D all the time...so I started calling our Danny D, Diesel.  I think its a good nick name for him.  Not that I am comparing our Danny D to their Danni D, although I can imagine their Danni D is as tough as they come...

#2532754 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by Seraph on 21 July 2014 - 10:42 PM

I've noticed it's the people in the suburbs who are usually pessimistic about downtown. I've been living here the past two years and it has been a blast. No one here is "waiting for a revival." It's already pretty awesome. I have no doubt these plans will make it better.


Here is the view from my apartment and you can see the lots along Woodward where the stadium will stand. You can see the FOX theater sign for a point of reference. I'll post more pictures once they start construction.



#2532279 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:42 PM


I didn't say a word about Toronto and you're misrepresenting my point to the extreme in order to validate your own.  Surely you'd agree that there's a happy middle ground between "not questioning the organization at all" and "being endlessly combative for the sake of validating oneself". 


I don't think anybody should second guess each and every single little roster decision the coach or GM make.  But I also don't it would be asking too much if the next time Ken Holland said "We don't want to overpay for free agents", a member of the media would respond "didn't you just overpay for Cleary and Quincey?  Why is it ok in those instances?"


I said "more like" which is true and *not extreme at all.   Besides I think that's a slippery slope and hard to find a middle-ground.


Bottom-line I rely on the beat writers for daily factual updates and the columnists for opinion pieces.  


I could care less if Holland is posed with those questions.  What does that accomplish?


*Ok maybe it was a little extreme after re-reading my comment.

#2532282 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by number9 on 16 July 2014 - 03:56 PM

Checking the validity of what's said doesn't move something from the realm of "truth" into the realm of "opinion".  If Holland says "our powerplay is bad because we've been injured" and a reporter says "wait a minute, your powerplay is bad even when the team isn't injured"; that doesn't make what the reporter said an opinion.  And wouldn't you rather have a reporter ask that follow up question than just trumpet "our powerplay is bad because we were injured" back to you whether that's the actual truth or not?

Yes. But said reporter would need to present some facts that support that point.

#2532283 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Echolalia on 16 July 2014 - 03:57 PM

I have a hard time believing that anybody is going to sue a reporter for saying the powerplay is worse under Renney than it was under McClellen.  Seems like a stretch to me.  Especially considering that assertion can be supported by empirical fact. 

Nobody will be successfully sued for stating fact (which in your case, "the powerplay is worse under Renney than it was under McClellan" is the fact), but postulating as to the cause of the fact, especially when it casts a professional in a negative light, is definitely sue-able material ("Renney sucks", in your case). Regardless of your thoughts on the matter, this is a real possibility and it's entirely within anyone's right to pursue, should they feel their name is tarnished. This, and the other issue I mentioned (establishing yourself as a reporter who casts others in a negative light will likely remove yourself from any future interview opportunities or other journalist access, and it would be quite difficult to be a journalist without these privileges) are likely the reasons who we don't see more beat writers trying to dig up who's to blame because the powerplay isn't as good as it used to be.

#2532286 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 04:21 PM


Well for starters, identifying the actual truth about a subject informs the public.  And since the Red Wings, like all other businesses, are dependent on the public for revenue they are generally are very amenable to public opinion. 


Those types of questions also help inform management too.  One of the biggest mistakes any decision maker can make is thinking that their way is the best way, or their thought process cannot be criticized.  The press acts as a sounding board for decision makers all the time.  Ken Holland is not different. 


Finally, asking relevant questions and ensuring that the answers provided are accurate and reliable is also the whole point of having journalism in the first place.  If you'd rather they didn't ask questions, then why do you bother reading news?  Just have the Red Wings twitter and facebook posts sent to your smart phone and move on if you don't care if the news is accurate or not.  However I suspect, since you do go out of your way to consume news (by your own admission), that you'd likely prefer that the news you get is being collected and distributed in accordance with best possible industry standards and not just phoned in. 


But you're acting as if, if the right questions were asked, Holland would be all forth-coming with "the truth". 


He has his famous sayings.. "I like our team" etc. for a reason. They don't have to answer to us whether we like that or not.


Success has granted them some leniency in that department.   If that continues downward I don't expect them to turn to their fan-base for direction.


Again, I read the Wings media reports to get updates on players (reports, stats, facts) and read opinion pieces to better reflect on my own. Not to read Holland Q&As. 

#2532274 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Son of a Wing on 16 July 2014 - 03:17 PM


I don't think anybody here "gets off" watching Holland squirm.  I do think some people want management held accountable for bad decisions and underperforming expectations.  Media can play a role in doing that (for good or ill). 


I don't think anybody here truly believes that media doesn't have a bigger part to play in all this.  Nobody would be satisfied if each day Holland just stood in front of a camera, said what he wanted, took no questions, and then went about his business. 


I think the whole point of this media discussion, is that some fans (myself included) believe that's essentially what's happening because the Detroit sports media does not fulfill the "check and balance" role that media (by its independent nature) can provide.


I couldn't disagree more with that first sentence...


By the sounds of it your advocating for a media atmosphere more like Toronto.  I live in that media sphere and let me tell you it is one huge distraction for that team.

#2532248 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by DeGraa55 on 16 July 2014 - 12:03 PM

Drew Sharp is a d-bag who DOES in fact troll all things UofM. If you think otherwise then you haven't really seen him in action.

Lol god I remember some of his crap. This has been a well known fact for years.

#2532244 Red Wings & the Media

Posted by Playmaker on 16 July 2014 - 11:43 AM

The media plays an important role as an independent check on any organization that it's covering.  They're always disparaged, and 90% of the time they deserve it, but when they're doing their job everybody is thankful.  I'm sure, if they tried, everyone here can think of a time in which the public was introduced to some (very important) piece of information because a journalist was out there doing his or her job.  So this senseless media bashing is exactly that.


Having said that, I do think that there's some merit to this article.  If only to point out the utter ineptness of the local sports media, in particular.  Put aside the bloggers (I know, it's just opinion), or free agency preferences (I know, they're subjective), and all the recent stuff.  Set it aside.  And even then the recent loss of Tom Renney and hiring of Tony Granato got me thinking...do any of you recall seeing a single article about the decline of our powerplay?  Anybody remember that ever being a question asked of Babs or Holland?  This is just one example, I know, but our powerplay has been getting worse each year for a while now.  One of the justifications for signing Quincey, Sammy, and Alfie was that these guys would help on the powerplay.  The Detroit sports media regurgitated that fact ad nauseam.  And then...no results, and nobody asked a single question.  And this isn't something that involves much subjectivity the way free agency or trades do.  This is a fact. The powerplay stinks.  And nobody bothers to find out why.  If it's brought up at all, it's only to say "the powerplay is bad, here's Babs' or Hollands' ready made quote on the subject", which nobody bothers to follow up on.  Would it have killed someone over at Mlive to put in a call to Red Berensen, or Terry Murray, and see if they had any thoughts...ya know...being experts on the subject and all?  That's bad journalism. 


But can you really blame Khan, St. James, etc. for not asking?  Fans don't want that story.  Hell, the one and only writer in Detroit who isn't afraid to write unpopular articles (Drew Sharpe) is attacked endlessly by fans for being a troll, and then they complain about how no writers are willing to go against the grain.  Hmmm.

Sammy didn't play at all due to injuries, Alfie did help the powerplay while he was healthy and I never recall signing Quincey to help the power play.  WTF do you expect Babs or Holland to say?  Well, gee Keets, the powerplay sucks because Kenny isn't getting me quality players.  It has nothing to do with my ability to coach.  Or gee, that Renney clown has totally sucked ass and hasn't done a damn thing to help out this PP.  When guys like Tortorella ARE actually honest and berate others publicly, fans have a fit and it generally isn't received well be management. And who gives a flying f*** what Red Berensen's opinion of the Wings PP is?   He's a college coach that's a thousand years old.  Mickey Redmond often gives his opinion on things like this, as it is his job, and usually does so honestly without being overly critical of the organization that employs him.

#2532018 Rule Changes in the AHL (what the NHL has considered)

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 14 July 2014 - 01:12 PM

I don't understand why people hate the shoutout

I agree. I'm perfectly ok with games being decided by shoutout.

"First up for the Red Wings is Zetterberg, let's see what he has to say. Z?"

"Yeah, uh, I'd just like to make a shoutout to my boo Emma, my moms, and my homeboy Sven back in Sweden. Big ups!"

"Well, that was a solid showing by the captain, let's see how the Hawks stack up. First to the mic is Patrick Kane, who will inevitably bring something sufficiently douchey to the table..."

"Yo what up what up this ya boy P Kane in the hizzle, just want to give a shoutout to all the dime pieces out there, hit me up after the game and I might let you smell my cup YA KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN but on the real one love PEACE"

"Point awarded to the Red Wings"

#2532087 Renney out, Granato in

Posted by puckloo39 on 14 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

I read in Malik's report that Pens fans are devastated that Granato is leaving for Detroit.  That makes me kind of happy.




#2532075 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Nightfall on 14 July 2014 - 07:10 PM

No one here is saying they could do a better job as GM. All people are saying is that there are other potential GMs out there that could have better addressed the team's needs. Looking at other organizations like Dallas and Tampa, there is an argument to be made.


Dallas, a team that was the last place team in the Western Conference to secure a playoff spot and hasn't been relevant since they lost to the Wings back in 2008.


Tampa Bay, a team that actually did pretty well last year and then got swept by Montreal.  The past two seasons before that they didn't even make the playoffs.  This is with Yzerman at the helm who was considered to be better than Holland.


Sure, these teams seemed to address their teams needs, but we will see how the product on the ice looks and how they do in playoffs.

I don't know. I just don't find it funny much. 


Same here man.  I guess I am not a butthurt fan.  Sure, I wanted to see a high priced free agent come into play.  At the same time though, I am ok with the moves that Holland has made so far.  Giving the kids a chance is what he needed to do and he is going to do it.  Cleary is just an insurance policy.  He won't be beating out someone for a roster spot if they are better. 


It kills me when posters cite Holland not signing all these UFAs to big deals as a good thing, and that's why we want him, when in fact, he is out there pitching the same huge deals to the UFAs as everyone else, he just keeps getting rejected. How do they conveniently ignore that? And it's not just this year! The stupidity of some of the statements in light of the facts is mind-blowing to me. Holland offers a guy the same deal or a bigger deal, guy signs with other team, and somehow we're lucky to have a GM that doesn't sign UFAs to huge deals? Seriously? I just don't even know where to start when people are so loyal that they can't begin to be even remotely objective about the realities of the situation.


Being objective would be looking at the entire situation.  Suter and Parise wanted to play in Minnesota.  They have ties to the area.  Same with Vanek.  Boyle has family in New York and requested to play there for less since the Rangers were against the cap.  Players will do what it takes to go somewhere they want to go.  When Dekeyser chose to come to Detroit, and the contracts were the same no matter where he went, did you give credit to Holland for this?