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#2623911 Franzen back on ice

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 August 2015 - 09:23 PM

I'm sure your heart is bleeding for the future of Johan and the rest of the Franzen family.  I mean, sometimes you have to save people from themselves. 


It seems pretty clear he wants to play.  It seems a little less clear, but still reasonably clear, that he'll be allowed to try.  And it seems mostly clear that he'll make this team better.  So I honestly don't see what the problem is.  Why not get on board the bandwagon and wish him luck, for all the good agonizing over it will do you?


I'm not trying to save Franzen from himself.  Obviously it's Mule's decision. It's between him and the Red Wings organization.  I don't think anyone has argued otherwise.  


As for speculating on his health, we're talking about a guy who's had at least 5 concussions and will have taken half a year to come back from the last one.   No one is saying he'll be a vegetable after another hit.  He could play out his career and be fine or he could take a puck to the head in practice and suffer post concussion syndrome for the rest of his life without ever playing another game.  No one knows. That's kinda the point.


But he is clearly at higher risk than most NHL players.   To me it's not exactly a bold stance to be concerned about the future of his career after his concussion history.


Which is why I don't get why people expressing concern is so upsetting.  People shouldn't criticize Franzen as a player, and now when they express concern for him that's not okay either?  What exactly is ok to say about Mule?


You joke about people thinking they know better than Franzen how his health is, but is that any more ridiculous than thinking you can tell people's true motives for expressing concern, and that they're faking it?

Your quotes are more manipulated than Kip's, though. they're not what Franzen is currently or recently saying.


Franzen "couldn't get out of bed" a quite a while ago. He's said he never thought he wouldn't return and said he thought he'd play in round 2. 


He's not cleared yet, but has there been an earlier time to be cleared? If he said he'd be ready for round 2, I think adding a full summer of recouping time makes it pretty likely he'll clear. He's been training and skating without set backs (or reported setbacks, at least). GM says they expect him to be ready at the beginning of camp. Everything points to him playing the beginning of the season so I don't think people are ignore the facts by including him in rosters.


I like the Monty Python references, though. She turned me into a newt!!!...................I got better.


Honestly it's more that I botched the Python reference than anything.   I should've had Franzen saying the lines I didn't put in quotes.  But my (hopefully) clearer thoughts are above.

#2623895 Franzen back on ice

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 August 2015 - 02:05 PM

I didn't see anybody talking about "quality of life" when Yzerman could barely skate (or walk).  I'd imagine that affected his ability to play with his kids, or hell, even get out of bed.  Yet he was gutsy, team first, leader for hanging on long past his prime, even as his contract, production, and presence became increasingly prohibitive.  His best seasons in the latter years were only as good as what Franzen is doing now, mostly for more money. 


I had considered that regarding Yzerman and other players willingly sacrificing their body but to me it's different when it's your brain. 


With your knee there's so much more that's known about what your quality of life will be and what the treatment options will be, like a knee replacement.  With CTE and post concussion syndrome it's literally your entire world that could be affected.  


I'd take chronic knee pain any day over potentially years of migraines, memory loss, noise and light sensitivity, depression, nausea, and personality changes. 


I can't speak for others but for me it's truly not about wanting Franzen off the team.  It's more about me remembering these guys are people with lives and not just hockey players I root for and/or criticize.  In the craziness that comes with fandom, it's easy for me to forget that sometimes.

#2623881 Franzen back on ice

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 26 August 2015 - 09:28 AM

I understand the concern for his health, but I just don't understand why there's this level of concern this time when it hasn't been around before. In his other numerous times away did we have this debate? I don't think so. Why would other players just target him now? His history of cuncussions has been around for a while and he hasn't been especially targeted imo.


He's said that he thinks he would have played if we made it to the 2nd round. That makes it sound less career threatening to me. I think that soundbite about his kids just caught people, but we don't really know the severity of the injury and how long the worst effects lasted. 


I think it's extremely unlikely he would've played if the Wings made it to the second round.  It sounds like he still isn't even medically cleared.


Has he had a concussion that took him out this long?  I'm sure the soundbite about not being able to play with his kids is part of it, but he also said he basically didn't get out of bed for a month because the migraines were so bad.  


So say it takes him 6 months to get back to feeling 100% again.  How long will it take next time?  


And I don't think the hit from Klinkhammer that caused this concussion even contacted his head.  It was an unexpected hit (and I think opportunistic cheapshot) that rattled him enough to cause it.  It's not like he only has to beware of Matt Cooke flying elbows to the noggin.  


I've definitely railed on Franzen for his lack of competitiveness but when healthy he's still a 55 point player the Wings could use.  I still just can't bring myself to be excited about the comeback of a guy who seems so prone to concussions and is suffering the kind of symptoms he has the last 6 months. 

#2623624 Grantland: The Heavyweight Belt of NHL Rivalries

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 20 August 2015 - 04:05 PM

Rivalries today just don't seem the same as they were 15 plus years ago.


No they're not.  I remember a few years ago during the playoffs, tough guys were routinely given 10 minute misconducts late in games, even when they didn't do anything. Just to prevent any rough stuff from happening later.  In other words, the league will rewrite the rule book to make sure there aren't any brawls.  

#2623073 Mullets - post pics

Posted by F.Michael on 13 August 2015 - 03:28 PM

Thanks GMR for playing...Nobody else here wants to  :unhappy:  


This one of Al Iafrate - more of a 'skullet'...





Our very own LGW 'Hillbilly'...



Danny D just cut his hair


Yes - sadly his hockey mullet no longer exists...It was this very reason why I started this childish thread (and I'm bored)...Of course I got approval from a mod before I started it  :hehe:

#2621702 Mitch Callahan

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 28 July 2015 - 12:20 PM

Ronda Rousey would absolutely decimate any tough guy in the NHL.  Abby wouldn't stand a chance.  In 10 professional fights, including 6 title fights, she's needed exactly 24 minutes of fight time to remain undefeated.  She's badder than bad.


So weight classes are irrelevant?  I agree she'd beat Abdelkader in an octagon, but the 6'6 tough guys she may have an issue with.  Some of those guys do train in boxing and kickboxing.  

Abdelkader would get rekt 

She would wreck McGrattan.


LOL.  Good one.  



#2621247 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by LeftWinger on 22 July 2015 - 08:32 PM

I agree. I have really tapered off on bashing him, I really have. But sometimes no one can even critique anyone without that kind of backlash.

#2621238 Pulkkinen re-signs.... 1 year deal

Posted by GoWings1905 on 22 July 2015 - 08:05 PM

Yes... Join the haters. We have cake.

Yup, I hate a player that wears the uniform of my favorite team. That was clearly what I was getting at in my post. God forbid anyone has a dissenting opinion about a player on a discussion board.

#2620296 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by Shoreline on 12 July 2015 - 05:51 PM


Please.  I've been here a looong time and this site is hardly locked down.  The biggest change is the profanity filter and it's because it got so out of hand here Matt very reluctantly implemented it.  


It's always funny to me when people long for the old times (admittedly I do too) but imply it's somehow the moderating team's fault.  


We don't generate the content here.  You guys do.  Post garbage, the site becomes garbage.  And there's a lot of garbage posted here these days.  Sometimes I wonder if anyone actually comes to talk hockey.


Post great stuff, the site gets great again.  Pretty simple.

The problem I have isn't the "content" (I guess this is yours given the soap box there), there is no content when people leave. My problem is more a moderating style that went from far too lax to running this place like a kiddy daycare. Obviously someone missed the memo there's quite a lot of grey area, and given in this thread every time someone suggests they have a problem with the mods the first thing you and one or two other mods do is blame posters, it's evident there's hardly an ounce of introspective reasoning here, it's purely "them vs. us" and rife full of posts like yours talking down to people. I can only wonder what you'll do when you have no posters left to kick around.

#2621041 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 21 July 2015 - 08:13 AM

I don't know anyone famous.  There are no famous people in the Midwest.  

#2621029 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by LeftWinger on 20 July 2015 - 11:30 PM

maybe I should, because there's just no way that a commoner could ever know anyone outside of Hazard County. Guess I'll go to farmers only dot com and stick with the poor folk. Not that farmers are poor, but boy they sure can tell a tale! I guess I was put in my place, I dont know anyone...jenny McCarthy?

#2621014 Remaing RFAs to be signed - Jurco, Pulkkinen, Aubry

Posted by LeftWinger on 20 July 2015 - 07:14 PM

Obviously you guys don't remember squat. It's my friend who skates in a pick up hockey league with one of the trainers, and it wasn't Helm, it was Kindl and Smith that had the character issues, Helm was described as a "Barbie doll" by said trainer.  BUT, its not like I hate the guy, I just said he became tradable with the emergence of Sheahan and Glendening. Because Helm was a coveted center at one time and he could bring us a nice return if he were packaged in a deal...sheesh guys, if you are going to blast me on things, at least get it right, what happened to all the looking up of old posts I did? They sure seem to pop up everytime I say that I grew sour on the Franzen deal right away...



But, ya, if you must know, some of the overpaid tradable players that would make room for more cap space and or the kids are indeed Howard, Franzen and Quincey.  We have better quality assets already in the system that make way less money. $5M for a backup goalie is outrageous and he will get traded if not at the deadline, then next off season...but of course no one will get traded, we will waive two of Ferraro, Callahan and Andersson and we will get our cap relief that way.  Of course since Datsyuk will miss October into November, we already get $7.5M in cap relief come end of training camp. So that works out for us right away.



..and as long as we are keeping score, in addition to my friend Dan who I mentioned above, my friend Jeff used to date Danny D's sister, that is how I learned of him and I work and have known Manny Legace's father-in-law for 20 years at THE major airline in Detroit before the merger as Northwest and now after the merger. His name is Chris (of course I am not saying the last names) and Chris' sister Joy also works with us and I have known her for nearly 25 years. BTW Manny's mother-in-law name? Sandy.


It's hilarious how folks just don't think that people can know people just because they are famous.  Another co-worker (former co-worker) has a child that has a rare muscle condition the requires help to even roll over in bed, his name is Rob, we used to call him tumbleweed, another friend by proxy helped him out in purchasing a bed that actually turns his son over every so often automatically, that name? Sergei Fedorov, you may have heard of him. Knowing him through Rob and family, is mostly why I defend him at every turn, especially when it comes to his reputation. BTW, even though I have never met him personally, but Manny's Father/Law is very close personal friends with Chelios, they still hang out from time to time.


In another unrelated yet related topic, where I live now, near Silver Lake Sand Dunes, we have two famous actors and one former NBA player who have summer homes, former Piston Cliff Robinson, everyone's favorite barfly Norm, George Wendt and Dewey Cox himself, John C. Riley. My parents bowl with Uncle Cliffy and have met the other a few times, but I have not had the pleasure to do so...


So, just so we know, this post is here forever so it can be traceable and if anyone needs to refer back to this in order to try to prove something, its all right here.

#2620783 Lovable Dan Cleary update thread

Posted by roboturner on 17 July 2015 - 03:02 PM

My sister passed away about 3 weeks ago from cancer.


A couple of seasons ago she had a chance to go to a Wings game.


My dad had been in contact with the Wings people and they were trying to work out who she might want to meet if she got the chance. It was up to me to ask her who she wanted to meet. Of course, we were trying to surprise her so I didn't want to just come out and say "Hey you're probably going to get to meet one of the players, who do you want to meet?"


So i would ask, "Hey Care, if you got to meet anybody on the wings who would you want to meet?"


"DAN CLEARY!" she'd exclaim.


So a couple of days later I would ask again. "DAN CLEARY!!" was the answer I got again.


She knew they were going to be going to the game when she went down to Ann Arbor, so I tried again, "No..Seriously....If you really got to meet one of the current Wings players when you go to the game, who would it be?"  I could not have given her a bigger hint without flat out just telling her!




So she and my dad and uncle went to the game and had a good time. Then the game was over. As they are trying to 'leave' the building, my uncle is leading the way with directions on where to go with my dad and sister following him. She still has no idea.


They end up in an area where she figures they aren't supposed to be. "Are we allowed down this way?"


Finally they end up standing against a wall with a bunch of other people with a Wings/arena employee telling them to just wait where they are.


"Are we meeting players?!" She had finally figured it out.


While they were waiting she felt she had accidentally bumped into someone behind her. She turned to say she was sorry to them. But nothing came out of her mouth. It was Nicklas Lidstrom that she had bumped into!! (This was during his last season when he wasn't playing due to his ankle) He saw she was trying to apologize and told her it was no big deal. Other players like Pavel and Zetterberg had walked through the hallway where they were waiting.


Finally Dan Cleary came out and asked "Are you Carrie?"


I don't remember much of what else happened (I wasn't there, just heard the stories afterward), but he was super nice to her, took a couple of pictures, and signed some things.

The jersey says

"To: Carrie    Best Wishes

 Your friend, Dan Clear 11"


He also had a signed bobble head sent to our house a couple of weeks later.


I always teased her about wanting to meet Cleary over anybody else, but she really enjoyed the whole experience




#2620455 New Ultra-Enhanced Video/Renderings of the Arena District

Posted by SetecX on 14 July 2015 - 06:01 AM

For anyone interested, I started a blog to follow the construction progress of the new arena, via my drone.



#2619566 LGW Moderator Problems

Posted by Shoreline on 08 July 2015 - 09:09 AM

This forum looks very locked down. It's like watching it go from one extreme to the other. Very unfortunate. I read some of these mod responses too and can't help but shake my head. Obviously this is a very different place than what I used to enjoy.