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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 24 July 2012 - 02:28 PM
Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 23 July 2012 - 03:46 PM
So let me get this now....Reading your posts all through out this whole off season what I get from them is you think that we missed out on Parise,Suter and now Nash was all Holland and comp's fault for not offering more in money and or trade and nothing to do with 2 players wanting to play with each other and both wanting to play closer to home in Minn and another players GM saying pretty much there is no way in hell that CBJ will trade/deal with the wings? Is that correct? I just want to make sure I understand.
No more "strong push"ing, IMO. No more kicking tires, helluva offers, trying really hard, pricing out, safety zoning.
Nike. Just do it.
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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 12 July 2012 - 02:17 PM
This is how I feel. I am so excited to see Smith play. I really have that feeling that he is going to surprise us all. I would like to see Semin on our team just for a season to see how he plays with Dats but that's just my own curiosity.
I feel like a lot of people are underestimating the impact Smith will have. The kid is a pure stud and will prove why he's one of the most talked about rookies in Detroit's system. I have a feeling Smith will make Holland look like a genius for not blowing up the team for a 1 year run.
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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 11 July 2012 - 12:41 PM
MARK HOWE, DEFENSEMAN (1992-95) Howe
A native of the Motor City, Howe played his minor hockey within Hockeytown’s boundaries prior to kicking off his junior career with the Detroit Junior Red Wings in 1970. Following a stint with the U.S. Olympic Team, where he won a silver medal in the 1972 Olympics, Howe joined the Ontario Hockey Association’s Toronto Marlboros with whom he won a Memorial Cup in 1973. Later that year, Howe began his professional career in the upstart World Hockey Association where he amassed 504 points in six seasons and 426 games played with Houston and New England while winning the Avco Cup twice (with Houston in ’74 and ’75). When the WHA merged with the NHL in 1979, Howe entered the league along with the Hartford Whalers. The 5-foot-11, 190-pound defenseman went on to record 197 goals and 545 assists with the Whalers, Flyers and Red Wings, thrice earning First Team All-Star honors (’83, ’86 and ’87 with Philadelphia) and winning the NHL Plus/Minus Award in 1985-86 with a mark of plus-85. Upon retiring in 1995, Howe joined the Red Wings’ front office and today serves as the club’s director of pro scouting. Already a member of the United States Hockey Hall of Fame, Howe was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto in 2011.
CHRIS CHELIOS, DEFENSEMAN (1999-2009)
Played an astonishing 26 seasons in the National Hockey League from 1984-2010. He won three Stanley Cup championships (1986, 2002, 2008) and three Norris Trophies (1989, 1993, 1996) during his career with the Montreal Canadiens, Chicago Blackhawks, Detroit Red Wings and Atlanta Thrashers. He played the most games by a defenseman in NHL history (1,651) and is the only player in league history to play in over 400 games with three different teams (Chicago-664, Detroit-578, Montreal-402). Chelios was a second round draft pick (40th overall) of the Canadiens in the 1981 NHL draft. He played seven seasons in Montreal and nine in Chicago before a trade deadline deal brought him to Detroit in 1999. Despite arriving in the Motor City at the age of 37, he spent over nine seasons donning the winged wheel. In 2002, at the age of 40, he appeared in his 11th and final NHL All-Star game, finished with the highest plus-minus rating in the NHL (+40), finished second in Norris Trophy voting behind teammate, Nicklas Lidstrom, and was named a first team NHL All-Star for the fifth time in his career. Chelios played an integral role in helping the Wings capture two Stanley Cup titles in 2002 and 2008. In total, Chelios appeared in 578 regular season games and 103 postseason games for Detroit. He retired as the oldest U.S. born hockey player of all-time and the second oldest player in NHL history behind the legendary Mr. Hockey, Gordie Howe (52). Chelios played the fourth-most regular season games in NHL history (1,651), the most postseason games in NHL history (266), ranks second all-time among defensemen with 2,891 penalty minutes, eighth all-time among defensemen with 763 assists and 10th all-time among defensemen with 948 points (185-763-948). His postseason numbers include 144 points (tied seventh all-time among defensemen) and 423 PIM (first all-time among defensemen). Chelios currently works in the Wings’ front office as an advisor to hockey operations.
CHRIS OSGOOD, GOALIE (1993-2001, 2005-11)
Detroit’s third-round selection (54th overall) in the 1991 NHL draft, played 17 seasons in the National Hockey League and 14 in the Motor City. He is a three-time Stanley Cup champion with the Wings in 1997, 1998 and 2008. The Peace River, Alberta, native appeared in 744 career games with the Red Wings, New York Islanders and St. Louis Blues. He finished his career fourth all-time among NHL goaltenders with 15 postseason shutouts, eighth all-time with 74 playoff wins and 10th all-time with 401 regular-season wins. Osgood appeared in 565 regular-season games for Detroit, notching 317 wins and 39 shutouts in a Wings’ sweater, trailing only the legendary Terry Sawchuk in each category (351 wins, 85 shutouts). Osgood is Detroit’s all-time leader in postseason appearances by a goaltender (110), and holds the franchise records for playoff wins (67) and shutouts (14). On March 6, 1996, Osgood became just the second goaltender in NHL history to score a goal, tallying into an empty net vs. the Hartford Whalers. He served as Mike Vernon’s backup for Detroit’s championship run in 1997, then backstopped the Wings to Stanley Cup titles in 1998 and 2008.
DARREN McCARTY, FORWARD (1993-2004, 2007-09)
After being named an Ontario Hockey League First Team All-Star in 1992 upon registering 127 points for the Belleville Bulls, Detroit selected McCarty in the second round (46th overall) of that summer’s NHL draft. The gritty winger established himself as a strong two-way player during his first few seasons of professional hockey prior to recording career highs in goals (19), assists (30) and points (49) in 1996-97. That spring, McCarty scored one of the biggest goals in Wings’ playoff history, netting the championship-winning marker in the fourth game of a Stanley Cup finals sweep of the Philadelphia Flyers. McCarty would win three more Cups during his career, all with Detroit (’98, '02, ’08). In 2009, McCarty retired from the Wings ranked sixth all-time in franchise history with 1,302 career penalty minutes. His 213 career postseason PIMs ranks him second in team history behind Gordie Howe (218).
DINO CICCARELLI, FORWARD (1992-96)
Originally signed by the Minnesota North Stars as a free agent in 1979 following a standout major junior career with the London Knights, Ciccarelli was acquired by the Red Wings in a trade with the Washington Capitals on June 20, 1992. In his four seasons with Detroit, Ciccarelli tallied 140 points (107G-133A) in 107 games played. The offensively-gifted winger appeared in 1,232 career NHL games with the North Stars, Capitals, Red Wings, Lightning and Panthers, finishing with 608G-592A-1200P. Upon retiring in the summer of 1999, the 5-foot-10, 180-pound forward ranked ninth in NHL history in goals scored. Internationally, Ciccarelli represented his native Canada on several occasions, capturing Bronze at the 1982 IIHF World Hockey Championships while also competing at the 1980 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships and 1987 IIHF World Hockey Championships. In 2010, Ciccarelli was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame.
JIRI FISCHER, DEFENSEMAN (1999-2005)
The Red Wings’ top pick (first round, 25th overall) at the 1998 NHL draft, Fischer skated in 305 games for Detroit before a heart condition forced the 6-foot-5, 225-pound defenseman into early retirement at the age of 26. Fischer helped the Red Wings capture the 2002 Stanley Cup and amassed 11 goals, 49 assists and 295 penalty minutes for the club during his all-too-brief playing career. On the international stage, Fisher helped the Czech Republic capture Gold at the 2005 IIHF World Championships and has recently served as an assistant coach for his home country at the last two IIHF World Junior Championships. In 2006, Detroit named Fischer their director of player development, a post he has held for the past six seasons.
JOE KOCUR, FORWARD (1984-91, 1996-99)
Originally selected by Detroit in the fifth round (88th overall) of the 1983 NHL draft, Kocur appeared in 535 games with the Red Wings in his two stints with the franchise. The 6-foot, 220-pound forward amassed 1,963 penalty minutes while donning the Winged Wheel, ranking him second in team history behind former teammate Bob Probert (2,090). Kocur tallied 66 goals and 66 assists as a Red Wing while also contributing eight goals, eight assists and 147 penalty minutes in 69 playoff games with the club. He was a member of Detroit’s 1997 and 1998 Stanley Cup champion teams and also won a league title with the New York Rangers in 1994. In total, Kocur skated in 821 career NHL games for the Red Wings, Rangers and Canucks. Upon retiring, the Kelvington, Saskatchewan native was a member of Detroit’s coaching staff for several seasons prior to becoming president of the Red Wings Alumni Association – a position he holds today.
JOHN OGRODNICK, FORWARD (1979-87, 1992-93)
A native of Edmonton, Alberta, Ogrodnick skated in 558 games with the Red Wings after being selected by Detroit in the fourth round (66th overall) of the 1979 NHL draft. Currently the vice president of the Red Wings Alumni Association, Ogrodnick ranks amongst the franchise’s all-time leaders in goals (8th - 265), assists (15th - 281) and points (12th - 546). The 6-foot, 190-pound forward skated in 928 career NHL games with the Red Wings, Rangers and Nordiques and appeared in five All-Star Games between 1981 and 1986. Ogrodnick is one of only 87 players in NHL history to score 400 goals, finishing his career with 402. He is one of five Red Wings’ players to ever score 50 or more goals in a single season when he tallied 55 goals in 1984-85. Mickey Redmond, Danny Grant, Steve Yzerman and Sergei Fedorov are the others to hit the 50-goal plateau in franchise history.
KIRK MALTBY, FORWARD (1996-2010)
A four-time Stanley Cup champion with the Red Wings (1997, 1998, 2002 and 2008), Maltby played 16 seasons in the National Hockey League. He appeared in 1,072 regular-season games during his career, one of only 277 players in NHL history to reach the 1,000-game milestone. Maltby was originally a third-round draft pick (65th overall) of the Edmonton Oilers in the 1992 NHL draft. He spent parts of three seasons in Edmonton before a trade deadline deal in 1996 brought him to Detroit in exchange for defenseman Dan McGillis. Maltby would spend the rest of his career in the Motor City, playing 908 games in a Red Wings sweater, tied for eighth-most in franchise history with Sergei Fedorov. He finished with 128 career goals (107 with Detroit), 132 assists (115), 260 points (222) and 867 penalty minutes (683). Maltby also appeared in 169 postseason games for the Red Wings, fifth-most in team history behind only Nicklas Lidstrom (263), Kris Draper (220), Steve Yzerman (196) and Tomas Holmstrom (180). He became a fan favorite thanks to his agitating style and was a member of the infamous ‘Grind Line’ in Detroit along with teammates Kris Draper, Joe Kocur and Darren McCarty.
KRIS DRAPER, CENTER (1993-2011)
A third-round pick (62nd overall) of the Winnipeg Jets in the 1989 NHL draft, Draper, a 5-foot-11, 190-pound center played 20 games over three seasons for the Jets before a trade to Detroit on June 30, 1993. Draper spent the next 17 seasons donning the winged wheel in the Motor City and played an integral part in four Stanley Cup championship runs (1997, 1998, 2002 and 2008). He became a fixture in the Red Wings lineup during the 1993-94 season and played the pivot on the ‘Grind Line’, one of the most revered lines in Red Wings’ history. The Toronto, Ontario, native enjoyed the best season of his career in 2003-04 when he registered a career-high 24 goals and 40 points in 67 games and captured the 2004 Selke Trophy as the NHL’s best defensive forward. On February 2, 2009, Draper became just the 235th player in NHL history to play in 1,000 career games. Six weeks later he became just the fifth player in team history to play 1,000 games in a Red Wings sweater, joining Gordie Howe, Alex Delvecchio, Steve Yzerman and Nicklas Lidstrom. Draper never missed the playoffs during his 17 seasons with Detroit and appeared in 220 postseason games for the Red Wings, second in club history behind Lidstrom (263). In total, Draper appeared in 1,157 regular-season games, 222 postseason contests (ninth all-time in NHL history) and made six trips to the Stanley Cup finals during his career. He served as an assistant captain for the Wings over his final five seasons. Draper is currently working in Detroit’s front office as a special assistant to Red Wings general manager Ken Holland.
LARRY MURPHY, DEFENSEMAN (1997-2001)
Largely regarded as one of the best offensive defensemen in league history, Murphy was originally selected by the Los Angeles Kings in the opening round (fourth overall) of the 1980 NHL draft after winning a Memorial Cup championship with the Peterborough Petes earlier that year. The dynamic blue-liner went on to skate with the Kings, Capitals, North Stars, Penguins and his hometown Maple Leafs prior to spending the final 4 ½ seasons of his career with the Red Wings, with whom he won two Stanley Cups (1997 & 1998). The perennial All-Star and two-time Norris Trophy finalist also won back-to-back Cups with Pittsburgh in 1991 and 1992 and was a member of the victorious Team Canada at both the 1987 and 1991 Canada Cup tournaments. Currently serving as an analyst and sideline reporter for the Red Wings on Fox Sports Detroit, Murphy ranks fifth amongst NHL defenseman in career points (1,216), sixth in goals (287), fourth in assists (929) and third in games played (1,615). In his 312 games played with Detroit, Murphy tallied 35 goals and 136 assists, in addition to a plus-56 rating.
LUC ROBITAILLE, FORWARD (2001-03)
The highest-scoring left winger in NHL history, Robitaille amassed 1,394 points, including 668 goals, during a 1,431-game career with four different teams – Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, the New York Rangers and Detroit. In his first of two seasons with the Red Wings (2001-02), Robiltaille scored 30 goals for the 12th and final time prior to capturing the first Stanley Cup of his career that spring. On the international stage, the Montreal native represented Canada at the IIHF World Junior Championships in 1986 as well as the 1992 and 1994 IIHF World Championships at which the Canadians won gold. In 2009, Robitaille was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility.
MICKEY REDMOND, FORWARD (1971-76)
The first Red Wings’ player to ever score 50 goals in a single season (in 1972-73), Redmond spent 5 ½ seasons with Detroit after being acquired from the Montréal Canadiens in a blockbuster multi-player trade on January 13, 1971. A two-time NHL All-Star, Redmond appeared 538 total games in his injury-shortened career, scoring 233 goals and dishing out 195 assists for 428 points with the Habs and Wings. After retiring from the NHL at the age of 28, Redmond began a long and illustrious broadcasting career that continues to this day on FOX Sports Detroit. In 2011, the Kirkland Lake, Ontario, native received the prestigious Foster Hewitt Memorial Award in recognition of his outstanding contribution to broadcasting and the sport of hockey.
IGOR LARIONOV, CENTER (1995-2000, 2000-03)
Already heralded as one of the top hockey players in the world when he finally made his NHL debut in 1989, Larionov earned this reputation during a dominant stretch back home in Russia where he centered the top-line in the country for several years. Teamed with wingers Sergei Makarov and Vladimir Krutov, he was a four-time Russian First Team All-Star, a two-time World Championship All-Star and the Russian Player of the Year in 1988. During his third NHL season, he rebounded in a big way by scoring 21 goals and 44 assists. In Detroit he was reunited with former National Team player Slava Fetisov, but also joined a club led by a group of young Russian stars who all admired Larionov greatly. The Wings top scorer that year was center Sergei Fedorov and the team also boasted bruising blueliner Vladimir Konstantinov and sniper Slava Kozlov. Coach Scotty Bowman often used the group as a five-man unit and Larionov fit in right away. In 1997 the veteran returned to Motown for his first full season with the club. The skilled pivot once again piled up assists for the team and played a solid two way game. And it was in the playoffs that things panned out for the Wings who defeated the Philadelphia Flyers for their first Stanley Cup in decades. Detroit captain Steve Yzerman made it clear how important Larionov was to that club. The first player he passed the prized trophy too after it was given to him was Igor Larionov.
MIKE VERNON, GOALIE (1994-97)
Originally drafted by his hometown Calgary Flames in the third round (56th overall) in 1981, Vernon would go on to appear in 781 NHL games over the course of 19 seasons with the Flames, Red Wings, Sharks and Panthers. During his three seasons in Detroit, Vernon earned 53 victories in 95 regular appearances to go along with a 2.40 goals-against average. In 1997, the 5-foot-9, 170-pound netminder backstopped the Red Wings to their first Stanley Cup in 42 years, going 16-4 in the postseason and registering a 1.79 goals-against average en route to capturing the Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff’s most valuable player. Vernon retired in 2002 with 385 career victories, currently the 12th-best total in league history.
ALEX DELVECCHIO, LEGEND (1950-73)
A native of Fort William, Ontario, Delvecchio was born in 1931 and made his debut with the Red Wings during the 1950-51 season. He playing alongside legends Gordie Howe and Ted Lindsay, and won the Stanley Cup three times, in 1952, 1954 and 1955. He served as captain from 1962-74, a 12-season reign second only to Steve Yzerman’s 19 seasons as captain. A highly-respected and classy player both in the locker room and on the ice, Delvecchio won the Lady Byng Trophy three times (1959, 1966, 1969) and played in 13 All-Star games. Although he never led the team in scoring during the regular-season, Delvecchio was consistently productive, registering over 50 points 17 times in his career and posting 70 or more points on three separate occasions. Having spent parts of 24 seasons playing for the Wings – only the second player in the league to play more than 20 seasons with a single franchise – Delvecchio retired mid-season in 1973. His 1,281 career points (456 goals, 825 assists) remain the third highest on Detroit’s all-time scoring list. Delvecchio is also fourth highest on the franchise’s all-time assists list with 825 and third highest in games played with 1,549. After retiring, Delvecchio served as Detroit’s coach and general manager before being inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1977. In 1991, his jersey, No. 10, was retired by the Wings.
GORDIE HOWE, LEGEND (1946-71)
Four Stanley Cup championships only begins to describe the career achievements of this Wings’ great. The only player to play in the NHL in five consecutive decades, Howe made his debut with the Wings in 1946 at the age of 18. The 6-foot-1 right-winger won his first Stanley Cup with the Wings in 1949-50 while playing on The Production Line, one of the most dominant scoring lines in the league, with Ted Lindsay and Sid Abel. From 1949-71, Howe reached the 20-goal plateau for 22 consecutive seasons, and his penchant for scoring was rewarded with six Art Ross Trophies and six Hart Trophies. He and Wayne Gretzky are the only players to lead the NHL playoffs in scoring on six separate occasions. Just after the league’s expansion from six teams to 12, a 40-year-old Howe recorded his highest single-season point total (103) during the 1968-69 season, the same season in which he became the first player to reach 1,500 NHL games. After 25 consecutive seasons as a Red Wing and a single-stint with the Hartford Whalers in 1979-80, Howe retired, holding the NHL records for most games played (1,687) and most All-Star Game appearances (23), and the Red Wings franchise records for most points (1,809) and most goals (786). Howe was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1972.
TED LINDSAY, LEGEND (1944-57, 1964-65)
Put on a line with veteran center Sid Abel and rookie right wing Gordie Howe in 1948, the threesome was dubbed "The Production Line," partly because they plied their trade in Detroit, the automotive manufacturing centre of the U.S., and partly, of course, because they produced goals, assists and wins. At the end of the 1947-48 season, Lindsay was in the top 10 in scoring for the first time. In 1949-50, the line placed 1-2-3 in the league scoring race with Lindsay leading the way and the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup, as they did in 1952, 1954 and 1955, the latter two with Lindsay replacing Abel as team captain. In 1957, Lindsay, at the time the league's third all-time goal scorer, was traded, along with goalie Glenn Hall, to the lowly Chicago Black Hawks. Lindsay spent three seasons in Chicago, helping the Black Hawks return to respectability after almost a decade of poor results. He retired following the 1959-60 season, having played 999 games in the NHL. In 1964, Lindsay was offered a chance to make a comeback in Detroit. It was an amazing year for Lindsay and the Red Wings team, which finished first in the league for the first time since Lindsay's initial departure. At the end of the year, Lindsay left the playing grind behind for good. In 1966 he was inducted to the Hockey Hall of Fame.
Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 11 July 2012 - 11:57 AM
Even though im not going to see these I'm still shaking thinking about all of the detroit alum together again on the ice.
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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 07 July 2012 - 09:09 AM
Can we get some people on record calling Cleary dead weight, so when he bounces back and has another 20 goal year, you can all eat crow? The guy is a warrior who gives it his all night in and night out and was still one of our best forwards come playoff time DESPITE playing on knees that were basically held together by twine and bubble gum... He had successful surgery and will come back with a bang this year, mark my words, and you can even bookmark this post.
Not that I don't agree with you but I changed my sig =) hehe
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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 05 July 2012 - 01:59 PM
Detroit Red Wings
Accepting an assistant coaching position with the Red Wings on July 5, 2012, Renney is expected to be primarily responsible for the penalty kill. He is secretly planning to orchestrate a trade between the Wings and his former club in Edmonton which would send the Red Wings Shawn Horcoff, Ales Hemsky and Ryan Whitney in exchange for Brendan Smith.
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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 05 July 2012 - 09:11 AM
I think you missed a lot what was said. They both wanted to play in Minn....home town..playing in front of their family and friends.....Like Holland said Detroit was not their home. That's why they didn't sign with Detroit. Had nothing to do with the wings losing their shine or any of that.
Who WOULDN'T want to be overpaid? I certainly would.
Therein lies part of my original post - are the days of the 'Detroit Discount' over with? Has Motown lost its swagger? Can Detroit continue to compete for players when they refuse to overpay them even though they know somebody will?
That was part of my original question and yet everyone keeps getting lost in Holland bashing and Parise/Suter. This is a larger concept than just those 2 free agents.
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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 04 July 2012 - 03:53 PM
Even if the Red Wings had matched Minnesota's offers to both, it probably wouldn't have mattered.
“You read today where they’re happy to be going as a pair and they’re both going home,'' Holland said. “Those are some of the things we couldn’t compete against because we’re not (their) home.''
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Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 04 July 2012 - 03:18 PM
Posted by hillbillywingsfan on 03 July 2012 - 02:53 PM
well were they walking like pimps or like someone that just got smacked down.....I WANT TO KNOW!!!! HAHAHA
From twitter user @RobbVogel
A purported picture of the Wings' brass boarding the plane in Madison and heading back to Detroit. No Suter according to that -- but that's not surprising. Don't need him in Detroit to sign a document if it gets to that point, and a potential presser would wait until after the holiday.
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