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In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

06 March 2014 - 07:12 AM

My best guess is that the Wings realized Jarny was never gonna be big enough for the NHL


Then Pulkkinen will surely never play...

 
Well of course the Wings would have won more Cups had they just given Axelsson and Ryno a chance!! Are you kidding me? These guys were never going to be good enough to be in the NHL let alone good enough to even merit a look with the Wings back then. Neither have gotten offers from any other NHL club since leaving so every other team must have seen the same the Wings did. Hell last time I checked Ryno couldnt even cut it in the Swedish elite league and has been hanging out in the Swedish 2nd tier since leaving NA.


Right...Axelsson sounded like a typical primadonna, lazy kid. Those guys jusy dont work out here.

In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

05 March 2014 - 06:13 PM

 
This is absolutely right on. I don't understand why Jarnkrok was part of the deal. Eaves plus the pick is fine....maybe even then a slight over-payment. But why not just splurge and throw in a talented prospect, too? Here, take a few more picks while you're at it as well....
 
Holland is an average GM without his braintrust, and he just made an average trade. I'm not going to whine about it anymore, but average hasn't been in the Red Wings vocabulary for such a long time that this is difficult to take. 


It was a bad trade...if you/we have to talk yourself into why it could or may eventually be an OK deal, it was a bad deal...period. The list of those deals, plus knowing that Legwand had the NTC and the Preds had no leverage...its almost unfathomable that such a respected GM dropped the ball so much. BTW...anybody ever seen interviews with our Asst GM Ryan Martin? Yhat dude is a goof who looks and sounds like he knows nothing about hockey except for what other people have told him. He looks like he'd piss himself if he ever had to negotiate with a Burke type.

 
Not really. Both were drafted in the same general position. Mathius was expected to be the Wings big scoring power forward of the future. Both were projected to be top 6 for the Wings.


Yes, really. Jarnkrok has been on our top prospects longer and higher than Matthias was...he's one of our most touted prospects that ive witnessed since '96.

In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

05 March 2014 - 05:58 PM

 
And after they get bounced from the playoffs we get to hear Holland dust off the old gem of a speech 'well its important to get into the playoffs, anything can happen, had a bounce gone our way' etc etc etc. The realistic outcome of this trade is the Wings sold more of their future to keep a streak alive that is meaningless anyway.


Its more than meaningless, we gave up a pick and very good prospect to essentially give us a worse draft pick. We have next to no shot of winning the Cup. I would argue that even if we make the playoffs, we are putting way to much pressure on Z when he comes bavk. You know he's gonna rush and overdo it when he gets back. Im not saying we should have tanked, but i think we should have stayed the course and let the chips fall as they may. Nashvilles best case scenario is much more likely to happen than ours....thats what it boils down to.

In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

05 March 2014 - 05:49 PM

 
 
If it's obvious that Jamkrok is better, then why hasn't he been up here instead of Anderson? 


Uh, because he spent his whole career on a much larger ice surface in another country and needed more than 30 games to acclimate himself. And Andersson is significantly older (prospect wise).

In Topic: Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

05 March 2014 - 05:47 PM

Immediate, gutcheck reaction to including Järnkrok in this trade: "oh noezzz! he was our #1 ranked prospect last year! Someone called him the next Zetterberg! WE GAVE UP ZETTERBERG FOR LEGWAND!"
 
Now, take a deep breath and look at the trade from a 1000 ft view.
 
Eaves is an obvious throwaway.  I wish him well.  The draft pick stings a bit, especially since it seems like we've been really starting to hit on our early round picks lately.
 
As for Järnkrok, let's state what he does well first.  He's clearly a talented player whom many peg to make it in the NHL.  He's struggled in his first season in North America, but he's been playing really well the past few weeks.  He's an above average skater and good passer.  He's responsible defensively.  He's got upside, obviously.  By all accounts, he's a hard worker who wants to keep getting better.
 
With that said, the Next Zetterberg hype is clearly overblown.  Calle has 99 shots in 57 games - an indication of an extremely tentative shooter.  Detroit has enough of those already.  I've watched a few Griffins games and I've listened to more in-tuned Griffins fans talk about him, and he's clearly not been showing any signs of one who can take things into his own hands and try to score a goal when the time comes - the exact opposite of Zetterberg, who loves to shoot.  Could this skill develop within him eventually?  Sure.  But that's wishful thinking, and I'm sure if Holland, Blashill and co. saw that potential in him, they wouldn't have traded him for a guy who may not be on our roster next season. 
 
He's listed at around 5'10 185, and while that's not unlike the specs of Zeta and Dats, he's still got a ways to go, strength-wise.  A guy with okay speed and a slender frame needs to develop some seriously unique skills to stick in the NHL (think Hudler, who showed he had NHL goal-scoring prowess).  Going by the tape, those skills simply are not there or still a ways from being there.  And if you're not showing those skills in your age-22 season, you're starting to value hope way more than reality at this stage in a prospects career. 
 
Overall, the guy is clearly a talent.  He's not unlike Filppula or Weiss in the sense that he projects as a 2nd-line guy with good passing skills and responsible defense.  He's also not unlike them in the sense that he can't score worth a lick.  We've had enough guys in this mold come through the Wings system, and the results have always been good - just never great.  Things are changing for the Wings, though, with guys like Mantha and Jurco violently assaulting the twine as they've progressed.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Pulkkinen was valued more than Calle by the organization due to his shooting skills.
 
Bottom line:  It is what it is.  The Red Wings are in an extremely desperate situation at center, and getting Legwand helps tremendously to ease some of those concerns.  If you think Järnkrok is the real deal, yeah, this trade kind of sucks.  However, I think you may be slightly reaching on what the hype is all about with him.  He's going to be a good pro, but I don't think he'll be making us regret moving David Legwand for him. 
 
That's enough from me.  Sorry for rambling.


Dont be sorry...was a good post.

The biggest thing to me is that you dont trade a player who projects, by most all indications, to be better than the player your getting within a very short time frame (ie 2-3 years). Thats why the Erat trade was so bad...if its not a clear upgrade in attempt to win big in a short window, its better to be patient with the prospect. Especially this guy...he has all the right tools...high hockey sense, compared to Zetterberg because of his compete level.