Its plays like this that are probably going to lead to huge problems with suspensions in the future. If you can get suspended for that play, where your point of contact almost certainly didn't cause the play, what happens next time when your a repeat offender? Zetterberg the repeat offender? All it takes in the fast game today is someone to lose their footing or turn their back to you at just the right time and suddenly our stars (the ones who aren't out with concussions mind you) are benched. The real interesting time will be the playoffs, because if they keep this up I wouldn't be surprised if opposing players (Ott, Cooke, The Vancouver Canucks) start to get themselves in these situations, essentially diving for suspensions. Not to mention the double standard/inconsistent calling of them that we will almost certainly see. This is a really crazy and pivotal time in the history of the game, the speed, concussions, and how we deal with them is starting to really threaten the future.
You are right. I thought he was only out 1 game and it was 4. Thanks for the correction.
Aside from that, I think you are going overboard on your analysis. Think back to 1996 and 1997 up until the playoffs when Colorado "owned" the Wings. The Shanahan trade really was huge, but we gave up Coffey and Primeau, who were good players. I don't see anything the Wings are willing to give up for a player like that this year.
This year, things will be different than last year. San Jose is a different team. Chicago is a different team. St. Louis is a very different team. Size means very little when you factor in grit and hard work. I see these things from the Wings more this year than last year. If you can't see it by their defensive play alone, then I can't help you.
What people want is for us to give up a s*** player for a exceptional one, and no team is going to make a trade for that. I would hope that Holland would NOT trade our future away. We have cap space, but what we don't have right now are prospects in the system that are exceptional players. I don't see the next Dats and Z in the system. I don't see the next Lids in the system either. I see good players, but no one who is going to light it up. When Z and Dats are gone, what are the Wings going to do if they traded away their future today?
Just something to think about. We have far too many people who believe that trading our future away right now is the way to go. We need to be more careful especially in the salary cap era.
What I see (even though I think higher of our prospects than you) is that even if we don't have the next Datsyuk, we have enough very good prospects to package with a player and a pick for the next elite player we need. I really think the Wings have the prospects to get almost any of the up coming FA if the other teams are willing to deal. I think we would still have a good farm system after that trade as well. I've never seen our cupboard as full as it is now.
And the hilarious thing is that they've gone from 1st in the East all the way down to 8th in the matter of a month. I have no pity for them whatsoever. The bandwagon is emptying on that team quickly right now.
Good, I like to see Pens fans humbled. That lineup looks like an AHL roster. Lets see what the refs and Dan Bylsma can do with that rag tag group.
Rumours swirling on Toronto sport radio that it will be Detroit/Toronto in Detroit.
I'm not so sure only because it seems like more of an all American thing now.
Isn't that all they do in Toronto anyway? The first time I ever went to Toronto there was a picture of Eric Lindros playing in a Leafs jersey on the front of the Toronto Sun...except he had never and was not playing for them at that point. Toronto is Eklund of hockey cities.
Ok, when are people going to understand that leaving the ice 2 inches with your skates doesn't mean he's leaving his feet to hit a guy. The nature of body checks seems prove that its going to happen more often then not. I seen no maliciousness there.
With Parises age and ability I cant believe people wouldnt want to go for him at the deadline. This team would be a very, very serious contender if they got him.
Yeah deals like Kovalchuk and Hossa seemed high at the time but thats the point. WHen you trade prospect theres never a sure thing.
Tatar, Kindl and a first rounder would probably be close to what it takes to make that deal.
Theres a chance Tatar becomes a producer, but they still arent that high.
Most of the wings prospects wont come to the NHL until around 23. At that age Parise had 2 30 goal seasons, and on the verge of almost hitting 50. Hes one season removed from 40 goals and 80 points and still has probably 8 HIGHLY productive years left in him.
Not all these prospects are going to pan out, should trade some while they have value for a proven commodity, than just hope that they arent the one that pans out
I know this may sound crazy but I think Kindl is the one in that deal Id have a hard time dealing right now. We have a bunch of good, young forwards but outside of Smith and Kindl, the blueline is thin. Kindl has really impressed me this year and could theoretically end up being a #3-#4 guy in this league. Kronwall, Smith, and Kindl provide a pretty decent defensive foundation for the post-Nick era.
It all depends where the Devils are come the trade deadline. If they are in the hunt or close to making the playoffs I don't see them trading Parise. And that's fine with me let him test the free agency market come July 1st. Would rather try and get him that way than losing whoever it would cost us, probably 2 roster players and a 1st rounder would be my guess. Although we could definitely use him and our top 6 forwards would be killer but we are going to have to wait it out booooooooooooooooo
If the Devils do trade him, the Kovalchuk deal would probably be the template. Although I think Lou Lam knows he hosed the Thrashers.
That was: Nic Bergfors Patrice Cormier 1st + 2nd round picks
So: Nyquist, Jarnkrok, or Tatar Abdelkader or Ericsson 1st + 2nd
I'm sure there are some out there who expect Zetterberg to put up that 40 goal/90 point production but I think the majority of people expect more the 30 goals/75-80 point production. When he's engaged he is capable of being a point per game player.
He's "capable" of 90 points. But I'm starting to wonder if Z's real zone is a bit lower then we are expecting. Maybe he's really a 70 point guy.
i'm not gonna hate on bertuzzi aside from all his unnecessary giveaways, but homer on the other hand... there's a difference between "role player" and "one-dimensional" and homer is the latter. i was the one that started the "what's up with Zetterberg" topic purely cause i haven't been able to watch hockey cause i'm not in North America where i can watch it. but with Zetterberg, you expect him to produce around a point a game pace. i've been waiting for homer to hang them up for years. taking places of departed players like leino who can actually hack top 6 play, but was a terrible fit on the bottom 6. tatar and nyquist should definitely be on this team next year. i'm just glad guys like rafalski retired when they realized they couldn't produce at the level they should be at cause they're too beaten up from injuries. homer will play out the rest of the year and he needs to retire in the offseason. i really hope babcock plays "the best players" in the playoffs, and if that means that our 3rd line is tatar/nyquist/mursak to help the wings win the cup, then so be it.
I would take Homer over Leino everyday. Leino was lazy and talked crap about us after he left. He was terrible with us and is a little bit different version of Hudler. Which we need like we need more players with the defensive awareness of Jonathan Ericsson. Homer probably plays some of the hardest minutes of anyone in the league and not only survives, he thrives. If he isn't the best in the league at what he does anymore, he's #2. If Leino played 13 minutes a game I seriously doubt he'd match Homer's normal production. He is "one dimensional" but he has always been and although this should probably be his last year, he's fine by me. Dude's got 4 Cup rings for a reason.
I know this will almost certainly ruffle more than a few's feathers, but I can't say I'm super surprised with Zetterberg's play. Zetterberg, while owning a ton of hockey sense, never really stood out to me in a pure skill/self-sustaining point producer sense. Datsyuk does but not Z. He's a great two-way guy but I think the 40 goal, 90 point Z isn't what we should expect from him. I've never felt that if Datsyuk were gone, that Zetterberg could carry the team from an offensive standpoint. Also, he's the Brad Pitt of his country, has a Cup ring, Olympic Gold, Conn Smythe, a Celeb wife, and a lifetime contract. How much motivation does he have to have?
If that's our third line, some serious problems better have arose because that line is greener than a spring pasture. I'm all for playing kids, especially when the veterans float around like they're all on lifetime contracts...but JV teams are for the the Islanders and Oilers, not the Wings.