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I've never seen such an overreaction in my life. 12 hours ago we were gonna "smoke those fools from Nashville" and everyone was calling for a blowout. Now we're too old and too slow and not "gritty" enough to compete?

News flash.....we were too old, not fast enough and not gritty enough in each of the past 3 seasons.....and waiving pixie dust and hoping a Parise falls in our lap isn't the answer.

This team has to start making the tough decisions. Saying goodbye to Homer and Brad Stuart to make way for a Nyquist and Brendan Smith....in a word :Rebuild: and the fallout is gonna be first round playoff exits or perhaps not making the playoffs at all.......that is the reality of it. This team has given us a great run.....tip your hats to them, pat them on the back and say good job and start rebuilding.

How do you call these guys for overreaction and then say we need to rebuild? This team could easily be a guy or two away from league dominance. Heck, if Helm and Eaves were playing we might not even be discussing this. We've at least kept up with Nashville, they've just cashed in (and mostly on fortunate plays) at the right times and Rinne has held them in it. I watch us dominate for 10 minutes but I have that sneaky feeling that they'll get a goofy goal if they make it down the ice and that's whats happened.

If Lidstrom stays, sign or trade a big body and/or go hard for Parise. If he doesn't, then ill listen to the rebuild talk...unless they sign Suter.

Jordan Pearce...yuck. It's getting bad.

I don't want to see guys get hurt but this will probably help Kindl and Commodore and certianly will decrease the times I scream at my tv.

Ya, we can all make offers:

To Det:

Rick Nash

To CMH:

Dan Cleary
Cory Emmerton
Jan Mursak
Thomas McCollum
2012 1st Round Pick

If Columbus is big on low upsides, spare parts, and failed prospects.

Joe Thornton is a joke. One more reason San Jose chokes every year. When Boston traded him, I thought they got majorly hosed in the deal. Now, if you follow the players Boston received and take into account the level of tool that Thornton is...Boston clearly won. And they just won the Cup, something SJ has supposed to have done within the last 10 years.

As a broke college student, I paid $50 for the Big Chill.

As a broke out of college person.  I'll pay whatever it costs.

I'm glad we're playing the Leafs, I really am, but we do not NEED them for this event.  There's Wings fans coming from Montana to see this game.

Michigan may be f*&^ed as a State right now, but there would be no shortage of 115,000 Wings fans willing to drop some serious money for a piece of Red Wings history.

Detroit is ranked no.4 in playing to high percentage capacity at road games.  Toronto... no.12.

Exactly. Toronto people just think that the NHL would die without the Leafs. The truth is that they're the only ones that would die without the Leafs. Habs and Wings rule road game attendance. Id assume the other teams that have road following are because the NHL hyped their stars out of control and all the 6 year olds and their parents go to watch Crosby draw pictures in the press box.

To clarify, Burns cost SJ Setoguchi, a 1st, and Coyle. Sooooooo WTF????

Also, Moen's won a cup a recently as 2007. By your logic, what's the point trading for him if he's not a hungry cup-virgin?

I'm glad we didn't trade for Burns because of what it cost and we got White but White replaced a player of similar ability. Burns, a top league defenseman, was added for one roster player for this year, a 2nd line forward...major upgrade. San Jose needs to do that trade more than us because third time is going to end soon. But the lesson remains the same, for this season, San Jose made a major addition and we may have stayed the same. And they beat us the last two years, stands to reason they have an even better chance to do the same this play-off.

My whole point in my posts in this thread is that this is the same team that's played with little passion the last two years with consistent effort being shown by only a few and I don't really see how we're going to beat teams with more depth that seem to play like they really couldn't live with losing. Against SJ last year, we played like it wouldn't be a big deal if we lost the series. Thus, like this thread is all about, I think we need to make some deals.

Det is 1st in the league. This statement is bewildering. The team is .500 on the road, and .875 at home. If they lock up a top spot and have home ice then they have every chance of winning.

This is essentially the same team that's been less than motivates to win in the playoffs the last two years. St. Louis got Hitcock and Elliot, SJ got another #1 defenseman and replace the His Heartlessness Dany Heatley, Chicago has more depth on offense and defense and Toews, Kane, and Leddy are just gonna keep getting better, Nashville plays like they want to win every game. We replaced Brian Rafalski with a player who, even in a career year, is arguably not as good as Rafalski. Our other addition is a borderline 6th defenseman, who is a terrible fighter and and even more terrible skater in Commodore. Zetterberg is playing like he's 40, Bertuzzi is not a top six forward, our bottom six forwards have the least potential for offense of any Wings team in 15 years, our backup goalie may be the worst goalie in the league right now. Cleary, Helm, Holmstrom have all regressed. Ericsson is as horrible as ever.

Pittsburgh just won 9 in a row with an AHL roster...but do you think that'll happen in the playoffs? If regular season success meant anything San Jose would be a dynasty. Its almost a given that they will choke but they have ousted us the last two years with what I thought was beatable play. We only play when we want and the last two years we turn it on too late. Every year we've won the Cup we've had a reason and drive. '97-Duh, 52 years, '98-Konstantinov, '02- Maybe the best team ever (Robitaille and Duschene), '08-Dallas Drake, Cleary, most the players hadn't won. Now? You get the picture.

I believe, because I've seen it for 15 years, that the Wings always have a chance and better than most teams. But only when they play like they really want it and we don't do that consistantly anymore.

This team isnt built to win the Cup and I hope they recognise that and don't dole out some lame excuse this year for not making the move to put us in a prime position. If I'm Lidstrom I'm going to be offended if Holland doenst try to go for it. Not to mention, I've never seen our farm system so chock full of talent, we could truly make a big deal without gutting the future.

I think we need to go after a 2nd line forward. Someone who will replace and be an upgrade over the Todd. Ruutu is a good target other than his injury history and the current status of his price tag. The real dilemma is Lidstroms status tho. If were going to send some prospects packaging, it should probably be for a defender. Our unwillingness to pay market price in free agency means we'll probably go the trade route for a good player and that's where we should spend our assets. I believe in Holland's ability to fill our forward spot without spending too much tho, so we'll see.

Are you serious?

I think the better question is, are you serious?

i'd rather have jeff carter. more versatile as a rh center and on a less lucrative (but still huge) contract. would cost less than nash too imo. same age as nash if I'm not mistaken (27).

Nonsense. Ever heard Jeff Carter talk or listened to any of the crap that he's suppossedly said or did. Guy isn't a Red Wing, period. His contract is terrible for us. Rick Nash is an absolute force and put on a team where he doesn't have so much responsibility and he's paired with better players, he could be exactly what we need.

To Det- Nash


To Columbus- Cleary,Kindl,2012 2nd round,maybe a young goalie saying Mason has completely fallen apart last couple seasons, McCollum,Mrazek not sure if we still have rights to Larsson even



you  have to look at the Kovalchuk deal i would think as somewhat the same type of package


To Atl- Cormier,Bergfors,Oduya,1st round pick,2nd round pick

To Nj- Kovalchuk,Salmela,2nd round pick

No offense, but I can't believe your serious. This is a terrible deal for Columbus. A Superstar talent for our spare parts doesn't even work on NHL 12.

If you used the Kovalchuk deal as a basis it would look more like...

Filppula, Ericsson, Mrazek, 1st (If Columbus won)

Nyquist, Ericsson, McCullom 1st (If we won)

Although it can be argued that if we get rid of Ericason we will win either way!

Let's get one thing straight, Henrik Zetterberg is not and should not even be compared to Steve Yzerman. At very best, Zetterberg is a poor man's Yzerman. Also, Zata is a good player but at this point I've come to realize that I shouldn't expect elite level production offensively and at his age and history, I should. There is definetly something wrong with him this season, but I think it may be more than that. I don't think this guy is as good as we make him out to be. I've seen him at the top of his game and it was a long time ago. Dude is invisible out there, a lot. He looks like a 2nd line player out there right now, at best. His favorite move, does it like 3 times a game, is to get the puck at the blueline and skate behind the net while fending off a defender to the other blueline and end up doing nothing with the puck. One person compared him to Bertuzzi yesterday and I thought that was appropriate, obviously more skilled at this point but I wouldn't be surprised if at Bertizzi's age his offensive production was the same. Not good for that contract. I think over the last four years we've watched Datsyuk's game get much better and Hank's deteriorate and I'm interested to see how the Wings handle it.

I also don't get the super leadership vibe from him like Yzerman. He doesn't seem as humble and mentally focused as Steve did. Don't get me wrong, the guy isn't lazy and he definetly is a competitor. I'm wondering at this point though, what kind of offensive player will he be? We have tons of defensive minded players and can spare more than one but its elite level offense that we need. Especially when Lidstrom goes, because I think more offense is created through him than most people know. With his contract, Zetterberg needs to be a point per game or better for the next 6-7 years, and I highly doubt that will be the case. I'm not saying to do it and with all he's given the Wings we should be patient but I think other teams believe he's worth more than he actually is and I imagine a trade involving him could produce Lidstroms replacement, which is more important to the Wings than Zetterberg.

This is highly unlikely, because its interdivisional, but if Zetterberg could land you Weber or Suter, would you do it? I would, in a minute. Nashville needs offense with a good contract and Detroit should be desperate for one of those two players. It's Hossa for Heatly esque, a win win.

If I was NHL czar and had more influence than I should...

Pheonix moves to Hamilton, becomes Hamilton Tigers. (early NHL franchise)
Panthers move to Quebec, become Quebec Nordiques

NHL adopts the proposed four division set up.

Ottawa makes heritage Jersey thier home jersey and designs similar jersey for away.
San Jose returns to something not so horrifically bad.
Dallas scraps the college look and returns to original jerseys. If they move, go to Seattle.
Nashville scraps and burns their new look and returns to originals.
Colorado returns to originals.
Anahiem, NYI, scrap third jerseys.
Columbus makes home and aways like those thirds.
Carolina scraps toilet bowl logo and bases new look on the third jersey logo.

Gary Bettman is fired, rehired, then fired again to make my point loud and clear.

NHL Cap is set at 50 million and floor is 35. Those numbers don't change until next CBA. Player salaries are based on a system of ranking types and statistical analysis so Wade Redden's contract won't sink a franchise...because their will be no "burying" contracts. This is to put a stop to GM's inflating player salaries. Contracts will have a maximum length of 5-7 years. With a possible exemption for 1 franchise player.

No touch icing will be instilled. Fighting will remain a part of the game, although any staged fights or players who play less than 5 minutes a night with the sole purpose of fighting will be prohibited. A committee will oversee player discipline and clear gidelines for it will be established.

Several camera's at optimal positions will be installed in the goal posts for the fool proofing of goal calling. Toronto will no longer get to make stuff up. A goal will never allowed to be called or refuted on the ice if their is video evidence showing the opposite outcome.

The ice surface will be 5 feet wider on each side to make a compromise between international ane North American rinks that will allow for more skating and skill while reducing the amount of dangerous board play that is starting to decimate player health in the league.

The Winter Classic will become the center piece for league marketing for non-traditional fans. The All star weekend will be abolished and become part of the Winter Classic Weekend. Instead of two all star teams, the Stanley Cup winning team from the prior year will play a team comprised of all star players selected by coaches, GM's, and players. An emphasis on that years performance would be made. The game would count for something. The "all star" game would be played the day before the Winter Classic, along with the Alumni game. Preferably all on that years outdoor rink. Programming on the network in which it was televised would be hockey centered (history, 24/7, NHL 36, etc..) for either the whole weekend or the entire day of the Winter Classic. Like the Super bowl of hockey.

There would be an award for Best Defensive Defenseman.

The Stanley Cup would no longer be given by the commissioner but would be awarded by a person chosen by the winning team. A former star player, management, etc.

To be continued...

What would you want?

Helm and Abby made their major appearances in the playoffs before they got their roster spot. Same thing could happen to Smith if he outshines Ericsson. Regardless, Ericsson IS better in the playoffs, but he's still scary to see with the puck.

You must be having Back to the Future dreams of Anderson Eriksson because Jonathan is a capital pylon in the playoffs too, and its easier to notice because the games really count. In a huge overtime situation against SJ last year Ericsson went all hunter orange, road construction pylon and showed just how little hockey sense and physical presence he actually has. If he had a clue how to play hockey that play wouldn't have happened like the Sharks were playing a roller hockey match against a '93 girls travel hockey team from Troy. He's useless, and not only useless, he's a huge liability.

http://tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=386222

It sounds like they maybe have already shown some interest.

Please, please, please let us get Morrow. Please let Dallas think Ericsson is worth something so he can be part of the package.