The Pominville trade isn't finalized but some of you are underestimating how much Minnesota just gave up for him.
They gave up their SOLID tendy prospect that equals out to Mrazek
They gave up their SOLID center prospect that equals out to Jarnkrok
and now it's heard that it's also a 1st and 2nd round pick.
Just allow that to float around if you guys really wanted to give up Mrazek, Jarnkrok, a 1st, and a 2nd for Pominville. I'll just be sitting here calling bulls*** because Mrazek and Jarnkrok would've sent this damn forum into full melt-down mode, none the less the addition to a 1st and 2nd.
No they aren't, the prices are rock bottom. No team overpaid for any player other than perhaps Hanzus. Holland doesn't seem to know the difference between quality versus quanity. He's hording all these prospects which will go nowhere. Gaborik, Roy, Pominville, Iginla, Meester, Jagr, every signifcant player traded, was traded for NOTHING. Worthless prospects and draft picks aren't high prices.
That's crazy. Pominville was traded for our equivalent of Jarnkrok and Mrazek...that's the real deal. Gaborik brought back 3 NHL players...that's a real deal.
Vanek, Pominville, Yandle, and Gaborik are all available. But you're not going to get a sniff of any of them if you start by saying "I'm not going to trade any top prospects or my first round pick".
You know what's crazy, when you add a "dynamic" player to your team it tends to change the team's...dynamic. Strange I know, but doesn't anyone else feel like even a lateral move might be worthwhile here considering our current core doesn't seem capable of getting anything done?
I really think getting rid of Franzen would change the dynamic. I jist want to watch the Wings bring it like they care everynight...even if we're not as good. I'm tired of the same old, same old garbage.
I really don't think we should waste even 1 draft pick on Jagr. Mostly for the reasons you gave (he's old and likely won't resign next year) And yeah our PP was pretty sorry earlier in the seaon. But now we're looking much better with the man advantage. If im not mistaken I think we've scored at least 1 PP goal in the last 7-8 games. On top of that we'll have Helm back any day now, and eventually Bertuzzi.
We need an elite defenseman. And out of all the names I've been hearing I really hope for either Keith Yandle or Lubomir Visnovsky
Are the Islanders still sniffin' around a playoff spot tho? If not, we should be able to get Visnovsky relatively cheap.
This is stupid...he terrible when he started but I think he has come a long way is is actually quite good now. If I'm not mistaken he's done NHL network games and I am almost positive he will be hired by another/team network right away. Someone will eventually have to replace Mickey and I think Larry, while he can't replace Mickey timeless awesomeness, was in line for it. That said, I think he will actually get a bigger job. What a stupid excuse...as if Murphy somehow makes people change the channel. Lame.
Hold on to something, everyone. Holland's starting from the ground up.
I still really like Cleary but certainly not with Pavs. He's a great 3rd liner when things are going well.
Unfortunately right now he's too weak on the puck and his decision making with the puck is way too slow.
It's almost like his stick is too short when I watch him.
Cleary is pretyy close to a waste of an opportunity for a younger player right now. Ultimately, if this was a video game, Andersson would have his spot and Cleary would be gone. Thats not how the Wings work tho, rightly and wrongly. It would be nice to ship him off tho.
Im just going to say it...I would be very surprised if we made the playoffs this year. I think Holland knew what was up, before the injuries, when he said we might not make the playoffs.
Our defense is terrible. Quincey is useless and was officially a waste of that pick. We are arguably better off with Lashoff full time over Quincey. Kronwall is a #2 guy and has too much pressure on him. Ericsson, while not his classically terrible self, instills next to no confidance in me for any kind of playoff type worth. White, Kindl, Huskins, Carlo are all generic filler, depth defenseman. Kronwall and Smith are the only two defenseman we have that I have any confidance in.
Howard is overworked, and while he is underrated, I think he's going to get shelled this year. He has to be yelling "Nick! Where are you?!"...Like a toddler cries for his Mom.
Injuries, while seemingly never good, might actually give Holland some perspective. I personally think, maybe somewhat in hindsight, that it may have been better to not have signed Samuelsson anyway. Some of Bertuzzi, Eaves, Miller, and Emmerton could and should have been sent packing as Nyquist, Tatar, and probably even Andersson are ready for full time duties. So with the injuries, Holland gets to see that those guys bring more than thier older, less skilled counterparts.
Other rantings: Franzen might frustrate more than he's worth...to bad we have him locked up for life. Filppula probably needs to be traded while other teams still think he's going to be awesome one day. I can't see how replacing him with Nyquist in a near throwaway season would hurt too many feelings. Filpulla should bring a pretty nice return from a playoff team.
Highlights: Brunner is way better than I expected and is a legitimate asset to the future of this team. Mrazek keeps on surprising. Zetterberg is on fire and Datsyuk seems to get better with age.
I was actually thinking about starting a thread about this, but I guess I'll just do it here. I wanted to know who people thought was better, all things considered: Datsyuk or Zetterberg?
While I'll readily admit that Datsyuk is the more skilled player, I still think Zetterberg is the better player overall. He draws the tougher defensive matchups, he hangs on to the puck better when pressured, brings more intensity night in and night out, is a noticeably better penalty killer, and consistently puts up similar or better offensive numbers. Plus, he'll actually shoot the puck without being forced to at gunpoint.
Anyone else care to chime in?
Im not trying to be confrontational here but...you cannot be serious?!! "Hangs onto the puck better"...complete nonsense, seriously. I have played and followed this game for 19 years and i have never seen anyone crafty or as strong on the puck, especially considering his size, as Datsyuk. I personally think the comparison between the two is not even close. Im not going to look it up, but if im not mistaken, a Hockey News poll of players was taken recently and Crosby and Datsyuk were 1-2 in being strongest on the puck.
Better defensively...Datsyuk literally owns the Selke trophy (best defensive forward IN THE NHL) and takes the puck away from the opposition as much or more than anyone IN THE LEAGUE, let alone on the Wings. Datsyuk is arguably the best overall player in the league. Zetterberg isnt even in the conversation. Z has been impressing me this year and there is a reason he's the captain...but Datsyuk is clearly the better player.
"What a pleasure we have, night in night out, to watch that man", Ken Daniels just said (im watching the replay of last night, and the just played a montage of Datsyuk's highlights from only the first two periods).