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#2686287 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 25 September 2016 - 08:12 AM

Git 'er dun, Kenny!

#2685833 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 12 September 2016 - 08:32 PM

Ugh.  Can't we drag all this nonsense back to the Babs thread.  I thought we were done with that turd.

#2685682 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 08 September 2016 - 09:20 PM

Franzen is going to be an issue unless his contract is traded once Kronwall or Zetterberg are done. Helm on the 4th line taking up that much cash with Glendening is going to be an issue.



Once again Dickie:  You are talking worst case scenario. 

I'm sorry if I put into your head that Z and Kronwall are GOING TO BE DONE in the next year or two.

I get what you are saying and it's not that the points you are trying to make are without validity, but the doom and gloom just overshadows the points you make. 


Sure, it might be a problem that Zetterberg, Kronwall, and Franzen being on LITR at the same time is an issue for us... and that's a HUGE MIGHT.

Kronwall has THREE YEARS.  Franzen a whopping FOUR. 

If needed, Holland may be able to trade one of those contracts in the future if necessary... or one may just straight up retire. 

Which would hurt us on the cap-recapture penalty, but it might be something that has to be done.

Players get bought out, and the buyout process can sometimes be costly, but if managed they're not the end all and be all of the teams cap.

I'll dredge up the cap-recapture penalty vs. buyout info I've got saved somewhere if someone wants to see it, but the possibility of Z, Kronner, and Franzen all being on LITR or retiring without finishing their contracts at the same time are the least of our immediate cap woes and certainly not unmanageable in the near future.


Also, when is the CBA up?  NHL and NHLPA options in 2019?  For all we know cap-recapture penalties might go away... or buyouts of contracts before a certain year might have new rules... etc. 

#2685654 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 08 September 2016 - 10:16 AM

"Most of the team" is not signed to long-term deals.


We have some big contracts coming off in the next while and I don't foresee any problems. As prospects and young players we have most of them on cheaper RFA deals or entry level for a while. first "biggish" player to get UFA status is Nyquist in 3 years from now.


-Next year without Ott, Miller, Vanek, Kindl's penalty there's 3,905 - some goes Tatar,+Smith?(RFAs) then free agents, 

-Green's 6 mill is gone in 2 years - some goes to Larkin's+Mrazek's RFA deals, maybe small chance that we don't fit Sheahan in (but cap will go up so I"m sure we'll have space)

-Howard's 5.2 and Kronwall's 4.7 is gone in 3 years - re-sign Nyquist, roll in the extra cash.

-Ericsson's 4.25 is gone in 4 years


Don't you know that the definition of MOST is 6 of 23... 26%.  That's 5 of 13 forwards, 1 of 7 defensemen, and zero goalies signed long-term. 

Of course, that's going by MY definition of long-term. (6 years left 'till expiration)  Dickie's might be different.


That's looking at things probably the most realistically, however If you really consider things based on moves Holland should make...


One or more of Tatar, Nyquist, and/or Smith could be used in a trade for that defenseman we all dream of making their extensions null.

Either one or both of Howard and Ericsson's contracts will be gone via trade, buyout, or Expansion Draft -- well before their contract expiration dates.

Finally, it wouldn't surprise me, and I think kliq mentioned this before, if both Kronner and Z are LITR'd before their contracts are up due to injury.

#2685612 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 07 September 2016 - 11:29 AM


Lots of depth at forward

I enjoy these rebuilding years. For this first time since Steve Yzerman we're watching a 20 year old kid be the best player on the team. Mrazek, AA etc. Our best players are the youngest on the team


...and even more when you consider Jurco, Pulkinnen, Ott, and Miller.  A lot of flexibility.


I too like watching the Wings build on the fly.  Is Holland doing everything that I wish he were?  No. 

He continues to be over cautious and too measured in his approach, which to be honest, is getting a bit stale.

Will the team be worse if we overpay a bit for a defenseman?  Probably not.

So, while I understand the frustration that others have towards the upcoming season and see it as more of the same old same old...

I think it's wayyyy to early to be this doom and gloom.

#2685368 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 02 September 2016 - 09:53 AM

Bolded part: Good point. Didn't think about it like that..

That package may be a decent starting point.. I think the Jets would want Mantha over AA; which is who I'd rather give up of the two anyway. But there's no way to know for sure unless a deal is reached.

I'd much rather have that trade than mrazek straight up but didn't the jets just extend pavlec? I guess it would all depend on how high they are on Mantha/AA basically but it seems like not enough. Maybe throw in a good draft pick or a swap of draft picks that results in them moving up a round or two.


Nope.  He's only there through this year.


Hellebuyck is their Mrazek. Highly regarded prospect, great size, athleticism, and performed very well for them last year. They might want a good vet as a mentor/insurance, but I doubt they'd want Jimmy with his contract.



I know it'd be difficult with our own cap issues, but we could always retain some salary.


Trading Trouba would create a bigger weakness than anything they currently have. Their defense is already weak. I don't see any trade happening that doesn't include a realistic replacement for Trouba going back. Maybe if they get super desperate. But I just don't see a good trade fit between us and them.

Bufyuglien, Trouba, Myers, Enstrom.  Folks can Over/Under-Rate Enstrom and Myers as much as they like, but they're still solid top four defensemen. You're right though, Buppy it does drop off considerably from there. 

I'm doubtful a trade between Detroit and Winnipeg will happen, but they can make it work if it does become desperate for them.  We may not have a "replacement" for Trouba, but we certainly have some promising prospects that will work for them cap-wise now and in the future.


Biggest issue I see:  Winnie has an internal cap. They extended Buff till forever with movement clauses, have Enstrom and Stuart locked up for two more years with movement clauses, and then traded for Myers who's cap hit is $5.5 for the next three years. 

Where does this leave Trouba?  On the outside looking in.  Bridge contract?  Why?  Danny Dekeyser just got a nice healthy raise... why not me?


Also, if Trouba is a no-go, I'd still be willing to take Myers off their hands.

#2685149 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 28 August 2016 - 07:05 AM

AA has the potential to be a franchise player did you not see what he did with no ice time playing with the scrubs on the third line


Did you not see -- not you specifically MFB -- and granted it was a few years ago so I can understand if it's a little fuzzy... but think back to what Sheahan did with limited ice time. A lot of folks, myself included, started oooh-ing and ahhh-ing about his potential to be our 2C.... MAYBE EVEN 1C?!!   Then he came back down to earth.  Hmmm. 

Seems awfully familiar to what's going on with AA.


Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it did happen, but I'm still in #1D > Potential #2C.


I'm also kinda surprised that none of you are bitching about Trouba's poor attitude and "wanting out of Winnipeg" and how it's the worst.

#2682582 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 07 July 2016 - 07:55 PM

Did Helmer get a no-trade or no-move in his contract?  Wasn't really paying that much attention.


I was actually shocked that Nashville wanted a number one defenseman coming back the other way. They have one of the deepest back ends in the league and lack offense. I thought that Weber for Hall would have been a much better deal for both Nashville and Edmonton... and even Montreal...


What Nashville does get in that deal is exactly what Montreal didn't want... a player with personality.  Nashville not only got a number one back... they got a guy that will put butts into seats FOR YEARS because he's a superstar. 

Compared to Subban -- Weber's a cold fish, void of personality. 

...not even bringing to light the fact that Weber is obvious decline.

#2682406 Steve Ott signs 1 year, $800k deal with Detroit

Posted by e_prime on 06 July 2016 - 12:39 PM

This thread has taken an arguably gross turn. 

#2682400 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 06 July 2016 - 11:55 AM

Pretty sure they arent carrying charts with them

Carrying charts with them?  Like on a clipboard inside their briefcase or something? Why would they do that?  Don't they have smartphones?  ...or a tablet?  ...oh, RIIIIGGGGHHT.  Dial-up internets and everything.

#2682385 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 06 July 2016 - 10:39 AM

Well this is going nowhere. These arguments always devolve into an all or nothing approach. Throw in a lot of misinterpretations and you got yourself a show. This forum gets worse and worse each year.

...or jokes.  Don't forget jokes.


Sure.  There are certainly those that take the all or nothing approach to either stats or no stats and of course there is misrepresentations/interpretations of stats, just as there are for eye-ball tests.   Using everything that you've got to analyze your players -- everything from eyeballs to spreadsheets -- and using that analysis to win is how you reach your end goal -- the Cup.

#2682376 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 06 July 2016 - 10:01 AM

I dunno why you guys bother with all the numbers and stuff when you've got two infallible, live action stat-taking, intangible-measuring, highlight-reel making machines locked up in your skull.  Flowcharts and spreadsheets?  BAH!

These stats are only meant to serve as supplemental information. It's not black and white.


These babies see in full technicolor and they wants to see a new shiny defenseman!!!

#2681477 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 01 July 2016 - 01:59 PM

More Euros than Michigan boys on the team lol

Thanks for this gem, frank.  You've just cemented your legacy as LGW's Don Cherry.

#2679621 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by e_prime on 27 June 2016 - 07:51 AM

Can you actually trade for Stammer's rights?  He had a NMC for 15/16.  Wouldn't that be in effect until July 1?

...and why would he waive that NMC?  Why weaken a team you might end up or intend to sign with, especially now that players and teams can talk to one another before July 1. 

#2675876 WCSF : Nashville Predators vs. San Jose Sharks

Posted by e_prime on 13 May 2016 - 10:21 AM

Do the Wings really even have a rivalry with anyone these days or is just whomever NBCSN says it is on a random Wednesday night?