First round for Quincey
Sign tootoo for three years and not play put him on roster
Sign colo for 2 years
Bringing back Sammy again
Trading top 2 or 3 prospect for rental center
Clearly no bad contracts at all.
e_prime said it best "Most of these issues are slight hiccups. Not crippling long term or short term."
NO GM is perfect, not every contract on your team is going to work out exactly as you hoped. These are such small moves you are complaining about, which is exactly my point. When it comes to important stuff (keeping your best players, developing young talent, keeping a happy locker room, not making bad trades, not making crippling UFA signings, he does a great job)
You act like keeping Nyquist in the minors a bit longer then "he should have" hurt this team. Look at him now....does his development look hurt? Does Tatar's?
I think we should all look at the Oilers as an example of how just throwing kids out there can hurt them, and stunt their development. I'm perfectly happy with the prospects we have drafted and developed, and now I feel we are in the position we are in because of it.
Posted by kipwinger
on 17 December 2014 - 02:12 PM
Kip, I do agree with you that that is probably what the asking price would be, and I also agree on saying "no thanks". However, I don't understand why you insist on always calling Brendan, Reilly's brother, and referring to Reilly as "the Good Smith". Reilly is a pretty decent player but I do think that Brendan is better. Defense is a much harder position to play at the NHL level, I don't need to tell you that. Brendan's overall skillset is far superior to Reilly's in my opinion. He is bigger, nastier and is a better skater. Reilly of course puts up more points, as he should being a forward, but you act like he's the better player of the two. He is not.
Simple. To irritate people who REALLY like Smith. It's my way of having fun at your expense lol.
Posted by kipwinger
on 15 December 2014 - 11:51 AM
The emergence of Sheahan and Glendening has, unfortunately, made Helm the tradable asset. If he, prospect (fwd not named Larkin or Mantha) and a pick would get us, Green, Myers, Yandle, etc... then it's a no brainer. If the rumor is true, just a 2nd rounder for Green, it should be done today. Then they could also acquire Yandle for a trade package. That would cause a huge logjam next season though, an even worse when the kids are out of options. Jensen, Sproul, Oullet, Marchenko, Backman...sheesh, we got a lot of good prospects on D. We'd have to dump K, Q and possibly Ericsson. I could also see Smith being put in a trade package.
I agree with some of what you're saying, but I disagree on a few points which I'll describe in more detail after the jump.
Ok, glad you're still with me.
1. Tyler Myers isf****** horrible. Can we please stop talking about him like he's in the same class as these other guys? If Ken Holland traded ANY of our good assets for a guy with SEVEN points on the season, he should be drawn, quartered, sewn back together, and drawn and quartered again. Also, Myers doesn't even really fill a need anymore considering how we run our new powerplay. In a single point powerplay (as opposed to two point men) the guy in back (defenseman) must be able to skate (since he's the only one consistently monitoring the blue line). Hence why Chara was moved off Boston's powerplay point in favor of Krug. He can't skate (quickly). Neither can Myers.
2. We can't afford Yandle and Green. That's almost 12 million dollars in cap that we can't really afford to take on. It would need to be one or the other. Also, ignoring the cap hit, I still wouldn't want both of them as you'd have a whole bunch of redundancy in terms of skill set. If you acquired both you'd have one of Yandle, Green, or Kronwall sitting on the bench too often to make a difference offensively (especially on the powerplay). One or the other, but not both.
3. Ericsson is probably not going anywhere for a long time, and we should all be thankful. If our defense was some combination of Kronwall, Yandle, Green, Smith, Dekeyser, and those kids, they'd get eaten alive in the playoffs. You still need big bodied, stay at home defenders in this league, and Ericsson is probably one of the most underrated ones in the league. Kindl can go, Quincey can go, and (if Babs' use of Ouellet over Smith has shown) Smith could theoretically go. But Ericsson isn't going anywhere.
Posted by kipwinger
on 15 December 2014 - 11:01 AM
I have no problem with Darren Helm...as a third line center. I think in that role he's got a comparative advantage over almost every other third line center in the league. I also think, in that role, he can take on more defensive responsibility (which he seems good at), thus allowing us to exploit matchups.
Where I don't like Darren Helm, as should be obvious, is on a scoring line wing. Sure he can be made to look decent there (Ian White could be made to look decent on a top defensive pairing too), but that obscures the fact that his talents are better utilized elsewhere, and somone else (who has the skill set needed to be a top six winger) could be slotted in that spot for maximum efficiency.
But what do I know? I'm as wrong about the roster as I am right most of the time. Nevertheless, I'll beat the drum for moving Helm, not because I don't like him, but because he's redundant on this team and we've got a couple of needs to fill to be a true Cup competitor (in my opinion).
Posted by kipwinger
on 08 December 2014 - 02:09 PM
Maybe he'll know how to play defense by then
He's perfectly fine defensively. He's no worse than any other puck moving d-man. It's just a tag he got stuck with because he broke into the league when he was like 20, and wasn't great. Since then he's played 20+ minutes a night, on a defense first team, with a defense first coach.
It's just like how Franzen can have an almost identical ppg average year to year and be inconsistent, or how "Osgood lets in the occasional floater" 15 years after he let in the occasional floater. It's just something people say because that's what other people say, and they said it because somebody else once said it too.
If Yandle played here every single person on this forum would absolutely cream themselves. He's REALLY good.
Posted by kipwinger
on 08 December 2014 - 11:52 AM
all that is true, but unless you are unloading a top 6 guy from our team (and I would gladly make that Franzen) he is essentially coming here to fill the role of Helm, in which he probably will not get the opportunity to score 50 points in the role Helm plays. That is why I think is would be better just to stick with Helm. But I get what you are saying, improve every spot bit by bit. If he has better hands than Helm then he is already a bit of an upgrade!
And you said it yourself, Helm plus what to get him. I think if we are trading Helm +, it should be for a top minute defender, or at least someone better than Kindl and fils more of our needs.
Helm is playing top six winger minutes. Boedker is a top six winger. He plays the same style as Helm. He's just better, younger, bigger, and more durable. Why wouldn't he produce more?
I could see your argument if I was suggesting we bring this kid on, reduce his ice time, and bury him on the third line. But he'd be coming onto this team and playing with Datsyuk and Tatar (as things are currently). That's an excellent recipe for offensive success.
Think about this
The only thing Helm provides that Boedker doesn't is the ability to play center. And given how old and injury prone Dats and Z are, that's valuable. But I'm increasingly confident that Sheahan can play the second line center in case of injury, and obviously Weiss can do it as well if he keeps trending upward.
I'm not here to bash Helm. He's really come along after a slow start. But I like big, strong, fast, durable, defensively responsible players. I like them even better when they're all that and 24 years old. I'd always trade an extra center for a guy like that.