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#2525304 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by e_prime on 23 June 2014 - 03:39 PM

Sounds like Tatar will be traded to me


The translation is really rough so, I'm not sure where it sounds like that... but Tatar is an RFA. 

So sign and trade?  Is Ken Holland capable of that?

He is a tradeable asset and should fetch quality in return, especially if he's packaged with other pieces.

#2525254 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 23 June 2014 - 11:51 AM


O'Reilly is 200 lbs. and just as fast as Nyquist.  If nothing else this makes him harder to play against.  But it also means he'll fare better defensively against top players.  Additionally, he's also super competitive and has a better track record of success at the NHL level.  Of the two, I'd put far more stock in O'Reilly being "the next Zetterberg" than I would Nyquist. 


But the point was not to say we should trade Nyquist for O'Reilly.  That's not going to happen and I know it.  The point was to say that it's a shame KH likely wouldn't even consider it, even if it made all the sense in the world. 


Good Ol' JR!


Favorite post of the month...easily. 

O'Reilly? O'Rly?


Hows about Tatar plus prospects/picks for O'Reilly?


Also, thanks.  After the one you made the other day, I had to make a couple for future usage.

#2525248 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 23 June 2014 - 11:40 AM

In some ways it's hard to blame him.  He falls prey to the exact same thinking half this forum does.  The thinking seems to be, if a guys plays poorly nobody wants him, and if a guy plays well then why trade him?  I don't agree with it, but I get where it's coming from. 


Take Nyquist for instance.  Here's a guy who's already on most people's "never ever ever ever trade list".  And probably Holland's too.  Maybe, just maybe, you've got the next Phil Kessel on your hands with Gus.  But probably not.  Probably he'll get you 50-60 pts. a season and be small each and every last second.  But because of an (unsustainable) high shooting percentage, he's got unreal value right now.  So doesn't it make sense to move him for a player who will give you 50-60 pts. and not be 185-190 lbs. for the rest of his career?  Or use him as a center piece for someone better.  For example:  Don't you think Colorado would think long and hard about Nyquist (plus prospect) for O'Reilly considering they'd be getting a good player AND they'd be able to resign Stastny with the savings?  Probably.  But it won't happen because KH can't move beyond "Nyquist had a good season and Nyquist is home grown". 

Good Ole JR 1

You're talking about trading a 50-60 point a year guy plus prospect for a 50-60 point a year guy that's roughly the same size, and they both had high shooting percentages

Are you comparing O'Reilly and Nyquist?

#2525235 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 23 June 2014 - 10:58 AM


I mean, I don't disagree with your logic.  I just have a hard time imagining KH moving ANY roster player.  The combination of Ericsson being "home grown" and Holland being so loyal that he'd rather watch his team tank than move a guy who has value, makes me believe he'll never...EVER...trade a homegrown top pairing d-man. 

This is going to be his downfall.

#2525213 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 23 June 2014 - 09:57 AM


Yeah, I read that Mlive Q&A as well.


Basically, he speculates that Holland won't overpay either in UFA dollars or in tradable assets. So no Niskanens, no Boyles, no Keslers, or Yandle type guys.


Honestly, I'd be happy with Tom Gilbert. He'smobile, has a great first pass, can eat up a ton of minutes, and has that right shot.


One of the "secondary scorers" he mentioned was Jussi Jokinen. I will be absolutely furious if we sign that guy.

...but in the same breath he mentions Moulson and Stastny.  Those are names I could live with.




Possibilities include Dan Boyle, Anton Stralman, Derek Morris, Tom Gilbert and Stephane Robidas.

As far as defense goes... Those are fine.  Not what I really want, but Stralman has simplified his game and would be a solid piece.  Morris and Gilbert are decent puck-movers.  Can't complain too much.  If we're not going for broke I don't see why we'd want to take on Boyle (he wants cash and term) and Robidas is just aged and broken down. (38 and 48 games played in the last two years)

#2524785 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 20 June 2014 - 08:25 AM

Yzerman played the game with integrity. Thornton is a diving, embellishing scumbag.

Sather is likely to overpay for him, anyway, if the rumors are true that he is indeed interested.


So not only will they take on Thornton's cap-hit after dumping Richards' through a buy-out.  They'll probably have to send  Brassard (maybe not the caliber player of Big Joe, but he's, as they say, "on the right side of thirty.")  plus other pieces...because you know it's not going to be Brassard for Thornton straight up.  


...and ultimately they'll be right back in the position they are right now... almost $54 up against the cap with 7 forwards, 4 d-men, and 2 d-men signed. If they keep themselves in that position they will not be able to re-sign Stralman, Boyle, or Pouliot. Certainly not all three.


Sather is an idiot.  I swear to gawd! He needs to realize that they New Yawk Rangers made it to the Finals on the good fortunes of seeding, a Montreal team determined to beat Boston, just enough talent to beat a couple of dysfunctional teams from Pennsylvania team, and a player's personal loss turned into team motivation.


Thornton passing to Nash sounds great.  Doesn't it.  Until you realize there's no more depth after that. 

Sather needs to maybe take a breath and realize that he needs talent around Henrik if he's going to get the Rags back to the Cup Final.  Not just a star center in Joe Thornton. 


I would be very surprised to see the New York Ranger back in the Cup Final next year.


On topic:  Marleau would look pretty good in a Wings jersey.  Would take him over Thornton.

A big bodied winger that's still pretty fast, a two-way player, and that can score... bringing him East might give him a boost.

Well my position isn't to win a cup every year, had you read my position you would have seen it was to either be a contender or be making tangible steps towards becoming a contender again, 


I'm pretty sure I pointed that out.  Hence points my points A) and B) to mirror yours. 

...but you read it the way you want to, bro.

#2524740 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by e_prime on 19 June 2014 - 10:22 PM

I think it's a great to have them in one place and should be pinned.



#2524738 Avalanche are taking Ryan O'Reilly to club-selected arbitration

Posted by e_prime on 19 June 2014 - 10:18 PM

It was a business decision for O'Reilly to sign the offersheet with Calgary.  Nothing more, nothing less.

It was a business decision for the Avs to take him to arbitration. Nothing more, nothing less.


If O'Reilly really wants/ed to be a number one center on a lesser team.  So be it but, he should look around and realize what they're trying to build in Colorado and tell his agent to f*** off for a bit. 

If the Avalanche can take a little more time and gather up a few more pieces.  Specifically on defense. 

You might be looking at Colorado Avalanche Cup Winner, Ryan O'Reilly.  Wouldn't that look nice on your resume, Ryan?

...and that, sir... can get you a far greater payday than some half-baked offer-sheet from a franchise in the midst of a lengthy rebuild.

O'Reilly + Kesler + Niskanen = Cup. 


It's fun to dream. 



#2524735 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 19 June 2014 - 10:04 PM


While some of that may be true, there's a couple things right now that I think work to change that. 


1. The emergence of several kids who carried us has (hopefully) shown KH that some of these guys can be slotted in and it's not all about veterans anymore


2. We've got a good amount of cap space for the first time in I can't remember


3. We've also got a gluttony of good, mid level prospects who we could potentially package to get something decent in return. 


While the recent history might suggest otherwise, I think KH will do something decent this offseason. 

:yahoo: You're my boy!!

Welcome aboard the U.S.S. Positivity.  I'll be your Captain.  We're currently sailing though some choppy waters over the next two weeks of our voyage.  Please keep your life-preservers handy.


Well first you strawmanned my position, I didn't say they had to be contenders every year, I said they had to be or they had to be making progress to that point. They have objectively regressed every year since 2008. Zetterberg and Datsyuk are both past their prime, the defense has been in steep decline, and Howard is Osgood 2.0, meaning he's as good as the team in front of him. You say we should wait for FA and the draft and etc. Look at the last 4 years as a guide, they do nothing in FA worth noting, nothing at the deadline, they retain older plugs and roleplayers while starting players like Nyquist and Jurco in the AHL. 

Ahhh... the good old strawman. He's a sight for sore eyes on these forums.  

He didn't strawman your position. 

He clearly broke down your position into A) You wanna win the cup every year... and he said that isn't very realistic. 

He then went on to say that in his opinion, B) he disagrees that the team is not taking steps towards that goal because he thinks the team is trending upwards not downwards.  ...and then went on to give his opinion.


He's also gone on to state your overall position very plainly. 

You're not as they say, "A glass half-full type of guy"   ...and that's okay. Own it, FFS.

  It's not as if you're not making salient points, ShamAn*

You just have to understand that while everyone wants to win or contend for the Cup every year. 

Not everyone is going to be as down or as pessimistic about the future as you seem to be.

...and that's okay too.  ...just stop pretending that you're not Debbie Downer.


So, if we trade for Thornton does that mean Weiss goes to the wing?  And if so, does that mean one of Franzen or Nyquist becomes the top line winger?  And how does re-signing Alfie influence this?


Is there actually a plan or are we just grasping at straws here?

There might be a plan.  Hell, maybe Holland finally has a plan A, B, and C.  As for us, all of us here.  Yeah. We're all grasping at straws. Desperately.  :lol:



Finally, and this goes for ALL OF YOU!

Yes, we say we should wait for FA and the draft and etc. because well, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO! 



...or would you rather us throw fifth rounders at Dan Boyle for no good reason.




EDIT:  Sorry, Shaman.  For a second I spelled your handle like you're a Scottish dance band from the nineties.

#2524500 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by e_prime on 18 June 2014 - 10:13 PM

Nice English comprehension skills.

Yes, that's the real problem around here... kip's first language is logic.

#2524383 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 18 June 2014 - 09:23 AM

I'm going to reserve my frustration, depression, loss of will to live, rage towards Ken Holland's existence till after July 1st.

We've got the draft upcoming - June 27, 28. 

Compliance buyouts that can happen until June 30th and Free Agency that begins on the first.


This is a frustrating two weeks where the Finals are over and almost nothing but speculation can happen.

So, let's all take a deep breath and collect ourselves. Some of us are beginning to sound like frantic lunatics.

Some of us are already there.


Hell, maybe the site needs to change it's name for the week.



/voice of reason speech

#2524372 GM moves

Posted by e_prime on 18 June 2014 - 07:26 AM

Are 'Team Grit, Durability, and Truculence,' 'Size/Stature,' and 'Nationality Compliment' seminars available in GM school?

#2524371 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by e_prime on 18 June 2014 - 07:23 AM

Produce a link and I'll believe that "Study"


Are 'Team Grit, Durability, and Truculence,' 'Size/Stature,' and 'Nationality Compliment' seminars available in GM school?

#2524334 Shawn Thornton will not be returning to the Bruins

Posted by e_prime on 17 June 2014 - 09:40 PM


Powers you say?



OMG.  This made my day!

#2524325 Dan Cleary may return...sigh

Posted by e_prime on 17 June 2014 - 09:13 PM

Good Lord.  Five pages already. 


*resists urges to read what will ultimately be a clusterf*** of paranoia and whiny bulls****