Those are not the winning powerball numbers. Not even close.
...but you know, to keep it topical and everything:
Where will Kindl slot in on the Griffs powerplay units?
Also, unsure if mentioned: One thing to keep in mind is that Kindl clearing waivers could possibly make it EASIER to trade him now on a retained salary deal. New team could place him directly in the AHL which would give them either time to make any moves they want to do in regards to Kindl. ...but I think one of the other problems teams may be running into is their availability of a roster spot in general. More and more we're seeing teams developing their own draft picks and by having to move them around it can mess with their own prospects development. Either way, just something else to chew on while you grind your teeth about how Kindl is still part of the Red Wings organization.
Great post. I dont want Holland to be making trades just for the sake of it. I just want him to address the team's needs, which you perfectly pointed out. He fails to do that or does it extremely poorly on a consistent basis. We need a 1A defensemen. He signs a 3B in Zidlicky one year, and a 2B in Green the next. We need a first line goal scoring winger. He signs a 3rd line all around winger who's a china doll one year, and a third line passing center the next. Ken Holland doesnt need to go trade crazy. He just needs to learn how to do his fricking job.
...but if the needs can't be addressed because a good trade isn't there to be made, or it's to the detriment to the team, for example trading Mantha or Larkin, the future of our first line... he should just go ahead and do it anyway, you know, to address current needs.
Meanwhile, he shouldn't try and see if a guy like Zidlicky -- who arguably didn't cost us much -- can give us a boost for the playoffs... or if he doesn't land the huge free agent during the overpayment period known as free-agent frenzy, he shouldn't go ahead and sign a FA right handed puck moving defenseman that, you know, fits our needs to a reasonable contract, because you don't think they're good enough. They're just not 1A guys?
I know you're relatively new around here Bill, and you say you're a fan, but I'm not so sure you're clear on how it works... so let me explain it. Holland can't just trade the bits, nobs, and spare parts we having lying about, like Kindl, Helm, Ericsson, etc. and *VOILA* have three superstars on each of the top two lines or a top flight first pairing defenseman. It takes two to tango. You only get what you give and it works both ways.
Meanwhile, you're going to pile on and criticize a GM solely because he can't trade for a top pairing defenseman? How many other GMs in the league haven't been able to trade for a top pairing defensemen? How often, but especially right around the trade deadline, do we hear about teams that want to upgrade the defense and/or need a top flight, right handed puck moving defenseman.
Gain some clarity, perspective, and a grasp on reality my friend. Then look at what he's done for this franchise while others have come and gone around the league or are mired in mediocrity. Then go ahead, tell him to learn how to do his job.
Oh, and sure, you're allowed to your opinion on how Ken Holland does his job... ... but it's laughable. HA. HA. HA.
Also, I don't think the rest of the league thinks Howard is as bad as wings fans think; I could be wrong though I guess.
Nope. That's right on point.
For reference, fans thought Chris Osgood sucked. Then he helped drag the Islanders and the Blues into the playoffs. Anyone that thinks Howard couldn't do something similar is crazy.
Personally I'm glad GMs aren't listening to fans because we all have different opinions on what should have been done and now. But we aren't the ones knowing all the ins and outs of the job nor is our job on the line if we mess up.
that being said I'm still amazed how much KH has changed his approach , as Wings we received the players we wanted back in the good old days but now it seems like Holland is afraid of blockbusters and for whatever reason ignoring the need for more size and gritty type of game from the bottom 6, third pairing
The "change in approach" has everything to do with the cap and the way that He can spend Ilitch's money. Don't get it twisted Frank, Ken Holland has NEVER made a blockbuster trade.
...but thumbs up to the first half of your post. All my "KH doesn't listen to us" is most certainly tongue in cheek silliness.
I feel the same way you do here. Problem is Kenny's activity level. Not the players.
You have no idea what Ken Holland's day to day is. Just sayin'.
Now if you're saying that KH should be a wheeler dealer making moves across the league with the entirety of the roster, I'd say:
This is not the time for that.
1. You've got a brand new head coach and staff learning the ins and outs of this roster, give them a chance to play the guys you've (GMKH) put in place. Sure, we're getting into the season so they should be figuring it out, but we're still more than six weeks out to the trade deadline. So KH still has some time to make some moves and the coaches have some time too.
2. You've got two highly touted free agents (Green/Richards) and some prospects that are up and playing pretty much full time (Marchy/Pulkks/Jurco) added to a roster that need to mesh with the team that's been the core/mainstays for the last couple years.
3. You've got players who under the previous head coach were not given the opportunity to play "their game" or allowed to see regular icetime in the system set forth by that previous headcoach. (Smith/KIndl/Pullks/Jurco)
4. This is a team that while it could use some upgrades, does not need a major overhaul. Keeping Kindl on the roster does not diminish our team to the point of "this guy limits our ability to ice a good team and is costing us games."
That being said:
1. Ken Holland works the phone. He kicks some tires, but in terms of activity, he's no Holmgren. He's not going to make a knee jerk decision just because there's a little roster pile up. One injury and you're not in a roster pile up. He likes his depth and he will keep it for as long as he possibly can.
That's the way he rolls and to think that he's going to change that stance because of Jakob Kindl is silly.
2. I, like many others on LGW, have been calling for/begging/praying for a trade of a d-man for a couple years.
KH is a stubborn bastard and listens to none of us. So...
Anyway, at the beginning of the year there was battling opinions between Smith and Kindl being the castoff and Smith has made a case for himself.
Once Q is back, I think the D are pretty deep. E's game still worries me, but Bill reminded me that he's only signed for 3 more years so that contract really isn't that bad.
It would have been nice to think that they both could make cases for themselves so that Kindl had some more value than just a "former first rounder" that's "barely been/has not been able to hang on to the six spot."
Whether he can be traded or not is not my concern, it's what he's actually worth. ...because it ain't much, and ppl are going to ***** to no end if KH doesn't get "something" for him.
Or... no one wants to trade for Kindl and we don't want to trade the other Dmen.
...but don't forget that if Kindl is waived, we'll be GIVING AWAY a former first rounder FOR NOTHING. (good for nothing holland. grumblegrumble.)
Sarcasm aside. Trading a guy like Kindl isn't 2k15 or whatever.
Sure, somebody might want or even be willing to be nice and take Kindl off our hands, but they aren't willing to pay anything for him.
"Just trade him for a late rounder" people say. Sure... but to whom?
Any GM in the league can see we're in a pickle when it comes to number of guys on D.
Why would anyone do us a favor and give us a pick for a guy we don't want on the ice?
We can also toss him in as a side piece in a trade package, but that's just like a free car wash you get for filling up your car, but it's raining outside.
You don't give a single s*** about that car-wash... and if you just washed your car the other day (have similar d-men or your own developing d-men or a roster crunch on d-men) you certainly don't want another bloody car wash.
So, either you're okay with Kindl being a healthy scratch and sending Marchenko down, waiving Kindl and probably losing the guy for nothing, or have some patience until I team actually needs a guy like Kindl, or we can add him on to a package deal.
I don't wanna hear any of you complaining about how you want Kindl gone and the manner in which he leaves. #sterndad #lectureover
I'm still on the fence with Ericsson. In general, he was looking better this year, but that was before the injury and now he's seemingly regressed.
He's a frustrating player. Use your size. Play a safe game. Focus on your end of the ice. Defend. Mash dudes into the board. Clear the front of the net. Stop doing fancy s*** and just keep it simple. Let the other defensemen around you lead the charge, they are so much better at it than you.