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#2646518 Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

Posted by e_prime on 07 January 2016 - 03:44 PM

Personally I'm glad GMs aren't listening to fans because we all have different opinions on what should have been done and now. But we aren't the ones knowing all the ins and outs of the job nor is our job on the line if we mess up.

that being said I'm still amazed how much KH has changed his approach , as Wings we received the players we wanted back in the good old days but now it seems like Holland is afraid of blockbusters and for whatever reason ignoring the need for more size and gritty type of game from the bottom 6, third pairing

The "change in approach" has everything to do with the cap and the way that He can spend Ilitch's money. Don't get it twisted Frank, Ken Holland has NEVER made a blockbuster trade.

...but thumbs up to the first half of your post. All my "KH doesn't listen to us" is most certainly tongue in cheek silliness.

#2646474 Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

Posted by e_prime on 07 January 2016 - 10:27 AM

I feel the same way you do here. Problem is Kenny's activity level. Not the players.

You have no idea what Ken Holland's day to day is.  Just sayin'.
Now if you're saying that KH should be a wheeler dealer making moves across the league with the entirety of the roster, I'd say:
This is not the time for that.
1. You've got a brand new head coach and staff learning the ins and outs of this roster, give them a chance to play the guys you've (GMKH) put in place.  Sure, we're getting into the season so they should be figuring it out, but we're still more than six weeks out to the trade deadline.  So KH still has some time to make some moves and the coaches have some time too.
2. You've got two highly touted free agents (Green/Richards) and some prospects that are up and playing pretty much full time (Marchy/Pulkks/Jurco) added to a roster that need to mesh with the team that's been the core/mainstays for the last couple years.
3. You've got players who under the previous head coach were not given the opportunity to play "their game" or allowed to see regular icetime in the system set forth by that previous headcoach.  (Smith/KIndl/Pullks/Jurco)
4. This is a team that while it could use some upgrades, does not need a major overhaul.  Keeping Kindl on the roster does not diminish our team to the point of "this guy limits our ability to ice a good team and is costing us games."
That being said: 
1. Ken Holland works the phone.  He kicks some tires, but in terms of activity, he's no Holmgren.  He's not going to make a knee jerk decision just because there's a little roster pile up.  One injury and you're not in a roster pile up. He likes his depth and he will keep it for as long as he possibly can.
That's the way he rolls and to think that he's going to change that stance because of Jakob Kindl is silly.
2. I, like many others on LGW, have been calling for/begging/praying for a trade of a d-man for a couple years. 
KH is a stubborn bastard and listens to none of us.  So...

Anyway, at the beginning of the year there was battling opinions between Smith and Kindl being the castoff and Smith has made a case for himself.
Once Q is back, I think the D are pretty deep. E's game still worries me, but Bill reminded me that he's only signed for 3 more years so that contract really isn't that bad.

It would have been nice to think that they both could make cases for themselves so that Kindl had some more value than just a "former first rounder" that's "barely been/has not been able to hang on to the six spot." 
Whether he can be traded or not is not my concern, it's what he's actually worth.  ...because it ain't much, and ppl are going to ***** to no end if KH doesn't get "something" for him. 

#2646316 Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

Posted by e_prime on 06 January 2016 - 07:50 AM

Or... no one wants to trade for Kindl and we don't want to trade the other Dmen.


...but don't forget that if Kindl is waived, we'll be GIVING AWAY a former first rounder FOR NOTHING.  (good for nothing holland. grumblegrumble.)


Sarcasm aside.  Trading a guy like Kindl isn't 2k15 or whatever.

Sure, somebody might want or even be willing to be nice and take Kindl off our hands, but they aren't willing to pay anything for him.


"Just trade him for a late rounder" people say.  Sure... but to whom? 

Any GM in the league can see we're in a pickle when it comes to number of guys on D.

Why would anyone do us a favor and give us a pick for a guy we don't want on the ice?


We can also toss him in as a side piece in a trade package, but that's just like a free car wash you get for filling up your car, but it's raining outside.

You don't give a single s*** about that car-wash... and if you just washed your car the other day (have similar d-men or your own developing d-men or a roster crunch on d-men) you certainly don't want another bloody car wash.


So, either you're okay with Kindl being a healthy scratch and sending Marchenko down, waiving Kindl and probably losing the guy for nothing, or have some patience until I team actually needs a guy like Kindl, or we can add him on to a package deal.

I don't wanna hear any of you complaining about how you want Kindl gone and the manner in which he leaves.  #sterndad #lectureover


I'm still on the fence with Ericsson.  In general, he was looking better this year, but that was before the injury and now he's seemingly regressed.

He's a frustrating player.  Use your size.  Play a safe game.  Focus on your end of the ice.  Defend. Mash dudes into the board.  Clear the front of the net.  Stop doing fancy s*** and just keep it simple.  Let the other defensemen around you lead the charge, they are so much better at it than you.

#2646154 Redwings interested in kirby rychel?

Posted by e_prime on 04 January 2016 - 09:58 PM

Am interested.  Even if you're not a fan who drools over size, I've got to admit that we could use a guy like this.

#2646147 1/4 GDT : Red Wings at New Jersey Devils, 7:00 EST

Posted by e_prime on 04 January 2016 - 09:45 PM

Petr should probably play in San Jose but get Jimmy some action too. A motivated Jimmah is a scary Jimmy



We need them both to be good to be successful. I'm definitely no fan of Jimmy (lately), but we need to get him some starts and hopefully get him some confidence.



Yeah I don't want Jim to sit too long, especially after his last two outings.


#2646143 1/4 GDT : Red Wings at New Jersey Devils, 7:00 EST

Posted by e_prime on 04 January 2016 - 09:41 PM

Solid game by Petr.


Is the goalie situation settled then? Al least for now?

Ferrrr shurrreee.  /close thread.  :ninja:

#2645382 12/31 NYE GDT : Pittsburgh Penguins at Red Wings, 6:00 EST

Posted by e_prime on 31 December 2015 - 08:43 PM

Another backup looks like an All-Star.

#2644970 Bravo, Smitty

Posted by e_prime on 29 December 2015 - 09:21 PM



There are folks around here that expect each and every guy on this team to be perfect each and every game.

EVEN LIDSTROM MADE MISTAKES.  I'm not kidding. It happened. I'm sure there's video of it too.

#2644925 Bravo, Smitty

Posted by e_prime on 29 December 2015 - 09:01 PM

Indeed. I was totally joking.

I do agree with you that most defensemen in the NHL could have a compilation video of a similar nature made. 

#2644500 Evander Kane Under Sex Investigation, Not Charged

Posted by e_prime on 28 December 2015 - 08:33 AM

 If Evander is treated differently than Patrick...

You mean when.


...but he's a "thug" so it doesn't matter how he gets treated, amirite?  :glare:

#2644447 Goalie Battle

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2015 - 09:19 AM

Bad Start. Blown Lead. Shootout Woes.

Always Average vs Better Future.



Starter. Backup. Troublesome Tandem.

Scrutinize GGA GAA. SV%. Bad Pass Goal Count.

Overpaid. Trade. NTC. Now! Later! Never!

New Contract. Future?  Future???!

*head explodes*

/close thread.


FYI: GGA = good goals average... just in case you were wondering. 


EDITED: for sensitivity issues.

#2644218 12/22 GDT : New Jersey Devils at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by e_prime on 23 December 2015 - 10:49 AM

Where you been?

Skulking about. Waiting for a loss to come out of the darkness to point and mock.

...and he's not even really good at that.  /blocked.


I get why Blash doesn't want to mess with the TSN line, but seriously --




Any of those three can center that line, but wasn't Richards brought in to be a #2C behind Dats anyway? 

Do it. Get Datsyuk up on that first line and get him going.

#2643571 Goalie Battle

Posted by e_prime on 19 December 2015 - 09:28 AM

All I'm going to say is this is.


The last time the Red Wings won a Stanley cup. we had a goalie tandem. Osgood and Hasek split 50/50 during the season.


Hasek was the starter in the playoffs. He didn't do well the first few games and we switched to Osgood. Osgood did really well. Turns out having 2 goalies with the ability to play at the NHL playoff level works out if one of them doesn't perform well. 

Agreed!  Whether it's a pure 50/50 split, 60/40, 55/45, 57/43 - no matter the ratio! - having two goalies that can play well night in and night out without needing six consecutive starts to "get in a groove" or whatever is great. 


Sure, would it be nice to have Howard's cap space to go grab a top-flight defenseman and in the future, might it become necessary to move Jimmy once we need to increase Mrazek's pay, sure! 


Should we complain about it now?  Worry endlessly about "who's the starter?" Hell no.

#2642994 12/14 GDT : Buffalo Sabres at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by e_prime on 14 December 2015 - 09:50 PM

Sheahan doing nicely on the PK, but would still prefer Miller to Andersson out there.

#2642977 12/14 GDT : Buffalo Sabres at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by e_prime on 14 December 2015 - 09:07 PM

Wow Glenny stretch it out