I never heard anything about an attitude problem when he was with LA, but there was definitely a lot of buzz about trading him for the whole year before they pulled the trigger. He's got a lot of skills but had terrible decision making.
Trading one of their more offensive D-men when the Kings were already having trouble scoring seemed like a crazy move, but their defense definitely improved in his absence.
I was surprised when some GM in the article mentioned taking a d-man with more defensive upside like J Johnson if they passed on Yandle. Admittedly I haven't seen much of Johnson this season but I wouldn't consider him having a ton more defensive ability than Yandle.
You add a natural center/capable winger in Carter... and Voynov, who's still an offensive-defenseman but better decision maker, gets better/more minutes... team play/defense is going to get better.
Attitude issues, current Team USA issues aside, seem overblown. Lombardi did do himself a disservice by criticizing JJ's time at U of M and had to do some damage control/re-assertion that Johnson was a player of note. Hell, he drafted the guy after college... so he must have seen something in the guy even though he went to U of M. ...and still, to this day, he went out of his way to amend the situation. My snotty "big-boy pants" comments are maybe a little childish, but Johnson seems to be a bit sensitive and maybe he does need his hand held a bit when it comes to his feelings, pride in country, alma mater, etc.
...but Johnson didn't get traded from the Kings because of his attitude issues.
He got traded because the Kings had better offensive defensemen and they could get Carter for him. NO-BRAINER!!
Nice guy or not, no one would blink twice if offensive-minded Kindl (also snubbed by his national team) got traded for a top-six winger and our defense and all around play got better.
I guess I missed the part where Johnson was entitled to be on the Olympic team because he meets the only two qualifications necessary A) be American, and B) be Jack Johnson. Is it his birthright?
He's an offensive d-man who isn't scoring, and who's never been good EVER defensively. Johnson isn't even a competent defenseman in the NHL and in the Olympics he'd be up against All-Star teams. No Dan Cleary's or Patrick Eaves' in Sochi.
Finally, it's not like he's the only offensive d-man that didn't make the cut. Yandle, Bfuglien, and Erik Johnson are all having better seasons than JJ, and none of them made it. But you don't see them complaining in the news, Jack's the only one that didn't make it and made a big deal about it.
That's the important part of the whole story. JJ is not so pissed about not being nominated, he's pissed because:
1. his OWN coach didn't go to bat for him - seriously, I'd expect that from my coach he expects me to go to bat for him so he should do the same for me...it's a two way street right ?
2. the way JJ found it out via TV that's just totally unprofessional, give the guy a freaking phonecall and some kind words.
Somebody hold JJ's hand while he puts his big boy pants on. *sheesh* Even Bobby Ryan didn't cry this much when he was snubbed.
I'm not sure thisis going to help the discussion at all... But if there was less clothing involved most of these posts would've tuned to a different key. AMIRITE?! * winkwinknudgenudgesaynomoresaynomore*
Let's recognize that with or without helmets, and skill of fighting be damned... There's a lot of bad blood between these two teams and THAT is what fights in hockey ARE ABOUT, no?
Ah gotcha, I guess I wasn't paying good enough attention while that was on. Thanks for the clarification.
I hate the idea of this 18 month "Oh you've been a good boy, we'll clean your slate." nonsense.
In my opinion, to say that it shouldn't factor is bologna.
I'm still glad this wasn't the case and I really dislike Marchand, he is only tough because he can hide between McQuaid, Lucic, Chara and Shawn Thornton, but if he would have been stretchered off one is looking at a severe (maybe even crosbylike concussion) and that's something I don't want to see/read about a player, no matter if I like him or not.
Yeah, I edited that post to ensure that no one thought I was hoping or wanting Marchand to be stretchered off.
Neal's knee was just as reckless and disgusting as Thorton's actions.
Also, love Neal's dodging of the question on hitting Marchand.
Of course he, did they show replays all the time on the big scoreboards. You constantly see players and coaches looking up at it during games. Thornton should have had a good view of it too, since he immediately went to the penalty box after the hit. Which brings me to my last point, Orpik hit Eriksson on the first shift of the game. Thornton got ejected at the 11:00 minute mark of the first. There was plenty of time for his team to look at the board, see that it wasn't a dirty hit, and lay off Orpik. Certainly nobody can say that Thornton was too emotional, or pissed off, or lost his cool.He had ten minutes to think on it. It was deliberate and dirty, there's no other way of looking at it.
The Eriksson hit is way early in the game 19:39 to be exact. First shift of the game!
No time stamp, but later in the period Thorton tries to get Orpik to fight. Orpik declines.
This is probably where Thorton should have just left it alone, but he's stewing not calming down.
Neal's knee happens at 8:59. Which stirs the pot some more. Thorton then sees Campbell and Orpik jawing at each other. He decides he needs to help out his teammates and his punches follow.
Don't know what he was thinking when he decided to knock Orpik down to the ice and follow up with some gloved punches.
I'll disagree with you slightly Kip... I think he was too emotional, pissed off, and lost his cool... because he'd been thinking about it since the first shift of the game. Like you said, for 10 minutes!
It doesn't justify his actions in anyway. It just makes his behavior all the more ridiculous.
Furthermore, I don't buy his tearful "not my intention" apology. It was his intention to punch Orpik.
Maybe he didn't want him to be carted off on a stretcher, but he wanted to punish him with his fists.
According to Helene St. James, Kenny's been trying to trade him but no takers, not even for a draft pick. I would think there's very little chance he'll be claimed on waivers either, not at $1.9m a season. The only way he's going to be traded is if Kenny includes a pick and/or prospect and even then, he'll probably have to retain some of Tootoo's salary in the deal too.
This is not surprising to me at all. GMs around the league are probably aware of our roster/cap crunch and aren't going to be willing to make a trade for a guy they might have before when they can probably just grab that player up off of waivers. Especially when it's still so early in the season and teams just aren't that desperate yet.
If Holland retains some salary in a trade, does that still count against he cap?
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS
Teams can retain a percentage of a contract’s remaining cap hit, salary and bonuses in trades. The following stipulations apply:
No more than 50 per cent of the salary/cap hit can be retained
Salary/cap hit cannot be retained on more than three contracts in one season
The aggregate cap hits retained cannot exceed 15 per cent of the upper limit
A contract can be traded only twice where salary/cap hit is retained
I believe, but am not positive, that you can keep salary without keeping cap hit, but I'm not sure that such a case exists at this point. So cannot be sure. I thought that Vanek was an example of this but it looks as if Buffalo has kept a certain amount of his cap space on their books.
Doing the math now to check.
EDIT: After doing the math I find that there's a difference of +$684,877 when including both Pominville and Vanek's Retained Salary Transactions. Meaning their Cap Payroll really should be: 57,642,024. If you don't include those transactions you've got a number that's way off of CapGeek's number. So it looks as if both Salary and Cap Hit were retained on these transactions, but as I'm no Cap Expert... I can't for the life of me make up that difference. Maybe I goofed on some number somewhere, but I have to go to work so can't double check my addition.