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#2552385 11/26 GDT : Philadelphia Flyers 2 at Red Wings 5

Posted by e_prime on 28 November 2014 - 11:17 AM

Right. ...because the stats guys aren't watching the games too. 

How do you think the stats get collected? Computer algorithms?

 

...and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the "good ol' eyeball test" isn't good for anything...

 

Analyzing the game in different ways gives different perspectives and just furthers the possibilities in the game. It works both ways. Don't know why that's so hard for some to grasp.




#2551918 Lines Thread

Posted by e_prime on 25 November 2014 - 04:34 PM

 

That's why Ryan O'Reilly's #1 on my wish list. He'd give us our elite two-way 1C of the future, and in the meantime you could use him as a top-line winger. I'd be willing to pay quite a bit for this guy.

 

O'Reilly? O'Rly?
 
How much are you willing to pay?  Lets hear your trade offer? 



#2551883 Mantha getting closer.

Posted by e_prime on 25 November 2014 - 09:07 AM

Last year everybody was ready to trade Tatar "because we have Nyquist so he's redundant" and this year many are ready to trade Jurco "because we've got Mantha".  About the time we draft and develop top six wingers folks are ready to trade them.  Insane. 

 

To me, Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Larkin, Mantha, Quellet, Sproul, and Marchenko are untouchable.  Which still gives us Jensen, Backman, Pulkkinen, and one of Nosek or Athanasiou as high end prospects for trade. 

 

Think about it.  In five years the wingers on your top two lines can be some combination of Tatar, Nyquist, Mantha, and Jurco and your top four defensemen could be Sproul-Dekeyser, Ouellet-Marchenko (Lefty-Righty, offensive-defensive in each case). 

 

 

I agree that people are oftentimes too quick to want to trade away these young guys, and I will admit that I was one of the one's that wanted to trade Tatar, but not because he's too much like Nyquist. I wanted to trade him because he would have garnered the highest return out of our assets at the time. I admit that it probably would have been a bad trade in hindsight. However, I'm still not completely against trading Tatar if the return is big enough. I love Tatar and I never wanted to give him away, but the more he plays the more I'm loving the way he plays.

 

Jurco is definitely an untouchable in my books and it drives me insance hearing all the people saying we should trade him. I agree with your untouchable list for the most part, but I would probably replace Marchenko with Jensen on my list. I have not been impressed much with Marchenko so far this season, and Jenson impressed a lot in preseason and is doing much of the same down in Grand Rapids. He is a great puck mover with a high hockey IQ, loves to use his body and also has a pretty underrated shot from the blueline. I would also add Athanasiou to my untouchable list. I think he's going to be a beast in the NHL one day...

 

 

 

The reasons I picked Marchenko over Jensen or Backman are these:  His size, right shot, great passer, defensive d-man.  I wanted another defensive d-man to go alongside Dekeyser.  I see Jensen and Backman competing more with Sproul, Ouellet, and Smith and despite being really good, I think they lose out.  Also, I think you need to give Marchenko another look.  He's a lot like Brad Stuart.  You don't always notice how good he's playing because he's not flashy.  But you'd sure miss him if he was gone.  I definitely see him anchoring an offensive d-man the way Stewie did for Kronwall early on.

 

As for Athanasiou, I agree he's going to be a beast.  I only left him off the list because I think you've got to give to get and because we've got Nosek and Larkin.  But really, if we can keep two of the three, I don't care which ones.  Ideally we'd keep Larkin and Athanasiou and trade Nosek, but he's an unknown quantity and I doubt (right now) he'd get much interest. 

 

 

I see where you're coming from with Marchenko, but to be fair, there isn't a huge size difference between the two, they both like to hit when they can, their both righties, I think Jensen is the better passer, while Marchenko is slightly better defensively. I think DeKeyser and Jensen would complement each other quite well as well. I agree completely on the center situation.

 

 

 

2 inches and 15 lbs is a pretty big difference in size.  However, I do agree that Jensen would slot well with Dekeyser, but that would leave Sproul with Ouellet and I don't like that because I think Sproul will need someone who lays back and plays defense so that he can make plays offensively...which, by the way, is the reason why I think he (and Backman) aren't playing well this season.  I HATE that pairing. 

 

 

I guess it depends on which site you get your bio from, and I'm assuming you're using the Griffins website which may be the most accurate, but several others list them as 6'1" and 6'2". Either way, I don't see that as a huge difference in deciding who is the better option. They both play big and that's what matters. Sproul definitely needs someone defensively responsible to play with, I agree with that, but Ouellet isn't a terrible option there in my opinion. He is a good offensive defenseman but is also very defensively aware as well. I hope Sproul can clean up on the defensive end of the puck as well or he will get eaten alive in the NHL, especially if Babcock is still the coach by then...

 

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think Backman and Sproul have seen significant time together this year. I've watched the majority of the Griffins games so far this season and from what I could tell the pairings have been Ouellet - Marchenko, Paetsch - Sproul, and Backman - Jensen...

 

 

 

Every time I watch they've been together, and they were a pair during the prospects tourney as well.  Though admittedly, I probably haven't seen as many games as you.  I watch when I've got a stream and the Wings aren't playing at the same time.

 

I agree with most of your thoughts above, except that I'll say I'm not overly concerned with Sproul being less than stellar in his own zone, given his offensive upside.  None of Doughty, Subban, or Cam Fowler were great in their zone for a few years.  Still, their offensive skill set made it worth while to keep them on the big club.  They just needed their minutes sheltered a bit until them matured.  I know it won't happen because this is Detroit, but I'd have that kid focusing almost entirely on honing his offensive skills and being adequate defensively.  I'm not convinced its always best to have guys that do a little of everything pretty well.  Sometimes it helps to have a few guys who do one thing extremely well.  With his skill set Ryan Sproul should regularly put up 50+ points in the NHL.  But probably not if the organization requires him to do it the way Lidstrom did. 

 

 

I couldn't agree more on Sproul. I would love for him to become a Doughty, Subban, Karlsson lite, but the key part in my above post was "especially if Babcock is still the coach by then"... We know damn well how Babcock treats his offensive minded (gifted) defensemen...


Well every game I've watched those are the pairings I've seen, so who knows... lol

So... you guys are saying we have some options on the back-end?  

 

YAY!!!    WE HAVE SO MANY OPTIONS!!!




#2551882 Lines Thread

Posted by e_prime on 25 November 2014 - 08:56 AM

With the constant looming of injuries when it comes to Datsyuk and Zetterberg, I don't see a future that doesn't involve the Wings giving Weiss a shot at the number two center position he was supposed to be and was signed to be.

 

They need to EASE, not thrust, him back into the second line center position.

Evaluate if he can be our second line center going forward, if NOT

Evaluate if he can be a top line winger, if NOT

Evaluate his worth to the team vs. his cap-hit/salary, then and only then can we explore trade options for Weiss.

 

We're always clamoring for reclamation projects up in here... and well, we got one. We've had one.

Last night could be the preview to the coming out party that we've been wanting so badly. 

(Even those who were against this signing from the get-go have to be happy about last night's play from Weiss.)

 

Ideally at the center position:  

#1. Dats or Z (whichever is healthy -- if they're both healthy, great! Keep them together.)

#2. Weiss

#3. Sheahan

#4. Glendeniinnginiginng

 

Helm is your most expendable center with the most value.  That being said, I don't see him being moved anytime soon especially when we still need to evaluate Weiss.




#2551842 11/24 GDT : Ottawa Senators 3 at Red Wings 4

Posted by e_prime on 24 November 2014 - 10:16 PM

Huge save by Jimmy at the end to preserve the win.

Congrats to Steven Weiss for the first star of the game.

Two goals.  400 career points. GWG. First Star.  Very nice, Weiss.




#2551782 Weiss sent down to GR- conditioning assignment

Posted by e_prime on 24 November 2014 - 09:38 PM

Twicd

Let's make it a hafftrik




#2551367 Lines Thread

Posted by e_prime on 23 November 2014 - 06:11 PM

"'scuse me while I... WHIP THIS OUT"  You mean, that Jumbo one?




#2551363 Lines Thread

Posted by e_prime on 23 November 2014 - 06:07 PM

I'm putting this here because I didn't want to start another thread.  But did anybody else see Jim Nill absolutely fleece Doug Wilson on that Brendan Dillon for Jason Demers trade?  Apparently if you've got a half assed hockey player, but he's bigger than 6'3 and 220 lbs. you should call the Sharks.  Think they'd take Kindl lol? 

Probably.  Who's a top six forward on the Sharks you'd take?  I dunno?  Someone that's maybe too comfortable in San Jose?  :innocent:




#2551361 Inconsistency

Posted by e_prime on 23 November 2014 - 06:05 PM

...well...




#2551356 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by e_prime on 23 November 2014 - 05:47 PM

... Heatley ...

 

 

I have watched ... And yes he hasn't been horrible but his days are also numbered and with his bum knees he can go out any moment , I'm not counting on cleary on being there come playoff time

Anyways it's done now just sucked we got nothing ... I'm just hoping we call up pulkkinen real soon and then mantha depending how he keeps doing

 

s*** on Cleary all you want.  ...and I certainly did this off-season.  I didn't think he had a whisper of a prayer in making this roster let alone being a guy that has made his time worthwhile.

So, a nice helping of crow for me.  Sure.  Serve it on a bigf****** platter.

 

...but HEATLEY?!!!   GTFOH.




#2551300 Nestrasil Waived / Claimed by Hurricanes

Posted by e_prime on 23 November 2014 - 07:41 AM

OHHHHNOOOOEEEESSSSS!  WhY dindt HOLLAND get ANYTHING FOR HIM!??!?!

 

He scored. Big whoop. How many players get dealt/picked up/etc. and then go on in their first game to score.

It happens... it's supposed to. Players score goals in this game.

Also, it's how waivers work... Player gets waived, claimed, wants to make an impression on his new team, really goes out and hustles and scores in his first game. (Not to say that Nesty didn't work hard here or want to make an impression.)

 

As far as the goal goes was it an Amazing goal?  No.  Beautiful goal?  No.  Spectacular goal?  No.

 

It was a solid, hard working goal that is almost a bit flukey/soft... and I'm trying to give Nestrasil as much credit as possible... but this was the third goal Berra gave up in the first period.  He was immediately pulled and commentators said that Berra had looked "shaky from the start" 

 

(yes, I was flipping channels on CenterIce because the Wings were having such a wonderful outing last night.)




#2548638 Lines Thread

Posted by e_prime on 12 November 2014 - 10:41 AM

 

Agreed.  He's consistently come up short given all the hype.  I'd place him squarely in the Tyler Myers camp.  Big, plays lots of minutes, but doesn't really do anything great with them. 

...and planted firmly, again right alongside Myers, in the category of "Tons of potential. I wonder what he'd do on a different team/in a different system." 

 

Too bad the asking prices for both of these guys is way too high. 

KFQ and JMF'nK camp for us.




#2548542 Wings call up McCollum, assign Mrazek to Grand Rapids

Posted by e_prime on 11 November 2014 - 07:38 AM

All I am positive about is that we all know that we know nothing about what's going on.

 

...but boy how we do love to speculate!!   ^_^




#2548463 What happened to Calle Jarnkrok?

Posted by e_prime on 10 November 2014 - 07:50 AM

Lidstrom, Zetterberg and Datsyuk both came into the league around 175 lbs. and got up to 190-195  eventually.  It's doable.  I don't know if Jarnkrok will, but it's silly to think that Jarnkrok is doomed to be small because he is currently. 

 

I hope he is. That way we won't have LGW still lamenting his trade 10 years from now.




#2547591 Lines Thread

Posted by e_prime on 06 November 2014 - 10:45 AM

 

Well don't misunderstand me.  I'm the President of his fan club only inasmuch as I want him to do well enough to get traded.  He's not a terrible third pairing defenseman but he gets paid too much and I really like some of those kids. 

 

 

Yes.  He's still got minor league options. 

 

 

If Kindl plays good enough for LGW to call him "solid" he'll be on another team next year.  Catch-22. 

Trust me. I only want the treasurer's job as a temp spot.  I'm in the same club as you.  I think we've got a plethora of middling third pair defensemen.  Ship Kindl off to Edmonton or somewhere else players won't typically go. He's signed at a reasonable price for some of those teams for another two years (?)

 

Hudler's been okay off the Wings. Same with Flip. I can't and won't lament the fact that they're no longer Wings, in the same way that I can't and won't obsess about how prospects that we've traded away are doing. Does it sometimes suck when the player turns out to be great... or is it simply that they're flourishing in a different system/actually given an opportunity. It's the way the business side of the game works. Simple. As. That.


I was mostly thinking about how much everyone used to dislike Ericsson, then he suddenly became a solid blue liner in LGWs eyes once Lids left. Now he's become slightly disliked again.

Ericsson isn't having the greatest of starts, but he's not as bad as some like to moan about.