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#2558079 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 12:31 PM

Do you have Franzen's cell phone number and play poker with the guy when he is not on the ice? I feel like you're his PR on this forum. The guy is having an awful year. I mean I have his jersey too and I loved him but can't you admit that his 6 goals in 2 games and 0 in the next 20 every year can get a bit tiresome and that he floats a lot? We are all huge fans here but you simply can't tell me he isn't a problem and that other fans aren't allowed to point this out if they want to on a Red Wings' fan forum right?

You have every right to complain about it... it's just been done ad naseum. I feel like I need to do some research on known "floaters" "streaky" around the league and get back to you on their cap hit vs. laziness levels/streakiness to give you something to *really* think about...


Franzen vs Just some names off the top of my head in the meantime


Franzen (3.955 million dollar cap hit -- let's go crazy and call it 4 miilion) 6 goals 13 assists in 25 games -- signed thru 19-20 


Alexander Semin (7 million dollar cap hit) 1 goal. 5 assists in 21 games -- signed thru 17-18

Bobby Ryan (7.25 million dollar cap hit) 7 goals 12 assists in 28 games -- signed thru 21-22

Joffrey Lupul (5.25 million dollar cap hit) 7goals 5 assists  in 20 games  -- signed thru 17-18


...and yes.  Me, #9, and the Mule hang out all the time when the Wings play in NYC.  ...and he totally laughs when we call him out for his laziness. He still pays for drinks too.

#2558072 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 11:54 AM

Yes. We lose a lot of games because he is useless without the puck and pretty useless even with it this year. I know you love him and his cap hit to death and everything but at some point you have to admit he stinks right now and as nice as 08 and 09 were he shouldn't be here throwing an anchor down on every line he is on especially with the energy we have from the young guys. 

So we should have scratched Franzen in favor of everybody's other favorite... Danny Cleary.


Totally would have won the game with Clears in.  He's got no knees... BUT HE'S GOT HEART!! SOMETHING FRANZEN NEVER HAD!!



#2558067 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 11:02 AM

First round for Quincey
Resign Quincey
Resign cleary
Sign tootoo for three years and not play put him on roster
Sign colo for 2 years
Bringing back Sammy again
Trading top 2 or 3 prospect for rental center
Franzen deal...

Clearly no bad contracts at all.

Give me a break.


All of this seems like extreme belly-aching.


Most of these issues are slight hiccups.  Not crippling long term or short term.


Is Quincey worth a first... probably not. ...but would Holland have drafted a first round pick anyway... probably not.

He would have traded it for two 2nd rounders and then traded one of those second round picks for two more third rounders.


Get over Cleary. He's on the roster until he's ready to be done. Just like Maltby. Just like Draper. Suck it up. He's not even playing.


Tootoo wasn't played by Babcock... not Holland. Point the blame in the right direction, sir.

Then he, along with Colo were bought out.  Would have been Sammy if he wasn't injured...

...and please, let's not pretend like other GMs don't resign guys that they're familiar with.


And I'm sorry, but Franzen is worth his cap hit. Am I enamored with his play all of the time?  No. I'm sure Holland isn't either but

Holland certainly didn't know that the latest CBA would include a cap recapture clause that would make that Franzen deal a little less digestable.



Exactly. I mean ya those 2 or 3 year deals for broken over the hill useless players was def not crippling it int forced nyquist and Tatar to remain in the minors for a year or two longer than they should've.

or how about the fact he offered those long term crap contracts to suter and parise. Suter would've made them better but those are the contracts that hurt you down the road.

How about kindl? He could easily be waved or dumped for nothing to allow ouellette to be on this team but holland refuses to...why?


So. Now he's in the wrong for trying to get Suter and Parise?  He just can't win. Worst GM ever.


Kindl isn't waived because Ken Holland understands the need for depth... and he's not just going to give away a guy that's signed for a few years at a reasonable price.


So you would say he made short term crippling decisions but not long term? That sounds about right to me...except for potentially franzens, z or kronwalls if they decide to retire early.



Except... except... except... Yes. All those "what if's" we should be considering.


Regarding last night's game:  What is up with Mrazek getting so far out of net on multiple plays? Does he always do that? Does anyone else have a heart-attack whenever he does? Should I not worry so much?

#2557626 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by e_prime on 19 December 2014 - 11:38 AM

Well... it worked... Lol


Don't let the terrorists win... ;)

#2557619 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by e_prime on 19 December 2014 - 11:04 AM


Here is an interesting article up about this:



They give a proposal from a few teams, and I think this is much more accurate then the extreme's on both ends posted in this thread.


For Detroit, here is their proposal and analysis:



To Detroit Red Wings = Taylor Hall and Jeff Petry

To Edmonton Oilers = Riley Sheahan, Anthony Mantha, Teemu Pulkkinen and Ryan Sproul


ANALYSIS: There is both quantity and quality in this return package. Sheahan is a top-nine centre with size, Mantha is one of the best power-forward prospects in the league, Pulkkinen is leading the AHL in scoring and a sniper at that level, and Sproul is a gifted offensive defenceman. Detroit is the only team in the league that could afford to move four top prospects like that without totally depleting its pipeline. The Red Wings know Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg don’t have many years left, not to mention coach Mike Babcock’s contract is expiring, so they might be willing to go all-in for another Cup run. Adding Hall up front would be huge and Petry would fit the bill as that right-handed defenceman Detroit has been searching for, plus he’s a Michigan native who would almost certainly re-sign with the Red Wings.


Good Ole JR 1
...for Edmonton


kliq, I agree with about 99% of your posts but I can't disagree more on that being a "much more accurate" trade proposal... I would lose my s*** if that trade were to happen. We just lost one of my favorite young Wings (Sheahan), my (everyone's) favorite prospect (Mantha), one of the top players in the American League (Pulkkinen), and my favorite defense prospect (Sproul). Maybe we should add in Mrazek and Scrivens to top it all off. That trade would be absolute robbery by Edmonto in my opinion.


Robbery by Edmonton and losing our collective s***  isn't the half of it...

I like how this proposal was written pretty much as a sales pitch for Detroit acquiring Petry... when the real piece in that trade would be Hall.

...but sure, let's trade away our third best center (behind Z and Dats) our first bonafied sniper we've drafted in years, a budding prospect who's lighting it up in the AHL, and the guy who's arguably the next D call-up behind XO -- for a guy who's a secondary trade piece (such as say... Helm or Kindl would be in any trade put together by us) in Petry and a guy who's "uncoachable."  Sure. That makes sense.

Also, why does every single trade proposal have to include the fact that Z and Dats don't have that many years left and Babcock might not return to the team. Nof****** s***. Does that mean we should be desperate to acquire pieces that aren't necessarily needed? Hell no.  Petry isn't a top pairing D-man. We shouldn't even consider getting him unless Edmonton is willing to take Kindl going back the other way.  Giving up three solid forwards in exchange for Hall isn't worth it.


Also krsmith. kilq didn't write the proposal... just posted it.

#2556945 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by e_prime on 15 December 2014 - 08:35 PM


And only one guy in the current NHL management knows more about winning than him because Sather has more rings


...and when was the last time he "managed" the Rags to a Cup?

#2556836 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by e_prime on 15 December 2014 - 08:14 AM

Any trade that invloved  moving Franzen would make me smile.

A smile like this?


Ugly Mike Ricci

#2556766 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by e_prime on 14 December 2014 - 01:42 PM

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#2555045 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by e_prime on 09 December 2014 - 07:40 AM

I think Bogo could be better in a different system and a different team, but I think the price to take a chance on that guy is going to be too high.

Same thing for Meyers.  I'm sure that Buffalo has realized that they're never going to get Mantha + Nyquist for Meyers, but it doesn't mean that they're not still asking that type of price.

Mike Green, who started off the year as a big question mark, has stayed healthy and kept himself relevant on a team that "upgraded" their defense with the Orpik and Niskanen signings. He's not going to come cheap, won't get traded until the deadline and only if Washington is on the outside looking in or needing an offensive piece to help them.


If you're looking to dump someone off for some draft picks, 4th line role players, or middling prospects -- you're all good, but...

Hockey trades for legit players or those that are poised to break-out or have the potential to do so are hard to make.

Let's not kid ourselves.


Yandle... *droool*  If I were that guy I'd be clamoring to get out. Maybe not out of ARI where it's beautiful and sunny all of the time, but as a hockey player, I'd welcome a trade out of the desert. No offense to that team, their awesome coach, etc. but they're going nowhere near the playoffs this year.


Also, Wiz ain't coming to Detroit. Ever. Well... at least, not while Ken Holland is GM.  (Maybe when he's 37 and can play defense.  :ninja: )

#2554928 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by e_prime on 08 December 2014 - 04:37 PM

...and 'people' say my posts get a little weird...


MATTIAS RITOLA!!!!!!!!!!!!

#2554495 Honest NHL Slogans

Posted by e_prime on 07 December 2014 - 09:01 AM



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#2554457 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by e_prime on 06 December 2014 - 10:08 PM

If we're talking about trades with Colorado... I wanna talk O'Reilly. 

#2553577 Abby Out 2 Weeks with partially separated shoulder

Posted by e_prime on 03 December 2014 - 09:09 AM

But he did go unclaimed once all ready.

So maybe even holland valued him and Ferraro less by waiving them before nestrasil?

He went unclaimed at the beginning of the season when rosters were being trimmed, teams were figuring out what they had, etc. Now other teams know what they have, what they need and that Mitch Callahan is a realgud player -- with 7 goals 8 assists at the AHL level for a guy that's slated to have limited offensive upside at the pro-level, but is already a good grinder/agitator.


Do wish Nestrasil had maybe cleared, of course.  ...but the guy has 1 goal and 1 assist in 5GP with Carolina, averaging aprox. 3-4 minutes more ice time per game than he did here in DET, where he had an assist and no goals over 13GP. Not to knock his talent level, but even a blind dog finds a bone occasionally.


...but I really don't want to delve into what Holland thinks or how he values players, but in my estimation he's obviously doing something right.

#2553532 Abby Out 2 Weeks with partially separated shoulder

Posted by e_prime on 02 December 2014 - 10:34 PM

You obviously don't follow the wings, day to day in Detroit means 2 months



Yes, I do follow the Wings. I follow almost every Twitter account I can that has anything to do on the Wings. I'm just going on what is reported. Ken Holland confirmed he is day to day so other than that it's just speculation.



You definitely don't follow the wings.
If you do, what kind of binoculars do you use?


oh sarcasm, you silly fool... how you evade us so... i can't even spy you with my binoculars.

I think that once a player clears he can be recalled and sent down without having to clear again if he is up for less than 10 games or 30 days.

So that'd be great for recalling XO, but if you want to bring up Callahan... it's a different story.

It's that initial offering that I think we'd lose him.


Unless of course we're all overvaluing our prospects as any fanboy/grrl tends to do.

...but of course most of us undervalued Nestrasil and he got claimed.  So, there's that to chew on.

#2553209 Abby Out 2 Weeks with partially separated shoulder

Posted by e_prime on 02 December 2014 - 09:50 AM

Andersson is utterly useless. Get rid of him. Trade or waive him, I really don't care, just get him off the roster. Like I mentioned a couple weeks ago and was also being discussed in another thread by Jesusberg and number9, Andersson is our Emmerton of a couple years ago. Useless, but just filling a roster spot. Andersson will either be on a bottom feeder team or back in Sweden in a year or two, he has no place in this lineup...



I agree to an extent, he's solid on the pk, and not a bad fourth liner, so not useless.
But I would be fine if we waived him.

Cally is exactly the type of 4th liner that we need. Can score. Can grind. Tenacious. Hard-working.

Andersson can't score and it'd be nice to see more scoring from our 4th line.

Jurco's been better on the 4th than Andersson.

He shouldn't have to play there, but still made better use of that time than Andersson has.