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#2559428 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by e_prime on 28 December 2014 - 11:45 AM


I don't see why not.  Hell, throw Q in there to sweetin the pot up. I always said Helm would automatically become their best defensive forward plus he'd be an upgrade at the center position behind Hopkins.  K, Q and Helm for Petry and a 2nd round pick.


I get that trading Helm allows us to bring up Pulks and that trading Q allows us to keep XO up, but I think that's a tad bit of an overpayment.  Although that 2nd round pick would be quite nice the way EDM is trending.

#2559423 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by e_prime on 28 December 2014 - 11:09 AM

why the hell would edm do that even they aren't desperate enough for Hiccup Kindl


Why not?


They continue to struggle...

MacT doesn't have the balls to trade Hall, or Eberle, or RNH...

He doesn't even have the balls to trade Yak. 

Petry and Perron have been on the block all season and yet here they are still on the team.


If he's desperate to keep his job... He'll move guys that don't want to be there for guys he can keep there... if not by choice, but by current contract.


They are that desperate. Nine losses in a row. Their last win was Dec 7th.  They haven't strung together a winning streak of any sort this year. The last time they won back to back games was all the way back to Nov 7th. 

A month at a time for a win. (...or if they're lucky two.)


They need an upgrade of any sort at C behind RNH.

Boyd Gordon isn't a second line center. Draisaitl is a frigging child.

They need better D.  Schultz is the lone bright spot. He needs help.

They need better goaltending.

How Bachman hasn't gotten a chance is beyond me...


Have I stated clearly enough how desperate they should be?


So let me restate the case for Kindl to EDM for Petry:


Does Petry for Kindl straight up happen? Sure. Why not?

MacT knows that Petry is not going to re-sign in Edmonton next year... he trades him for Kindl who's signed for another two years for a reasonable price... He's doing something... ANYTHING.

It shows the league, "Hey, MacT is ready to make some moves...  EDM is open for business."


To make things even more clear, because I know it's the stumbling block for all of you: 


Just because Kindl is our whipping boy doesn't mean he's completely worthless.

There. I said it. He isn't. 

Is he great? No, but he's just one piece in a multitude of issues that exist on our defense.

#2559373 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:46 PM

:28 seconds -- three laps of the offensive zone.

#2559337 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:32 PM

Play for the win not OT, boys!

#2559325 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:23 PM

Nice try by Helm. The boys look like they're starting to wake up.



Do or Do Not. There is no try.


I guess it's typically "Do Not."

#2559312 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:18 PM

Who's in net? Talk about a ridiculous level of run support. Who has the goals/assists for the Griffs?


Pretty even across the scoresheet.  http://theahl.com/st...game_id=1013909


Tommy McC in net.

#2559199 NJ fires DeBoer. Scott Stevens & Adam Oates named coaches

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 07:12 PM

The problem is this:

1. Young established right handed defenceman are either not available or would cost more

2. A top 4 defender in his prime isn't available either


So while Larsson may be a question mark he also has a lot of potential. This team needs an impactful trade sooner than later that's for sure

Larsson has potential, but honestly, he hasn't even been given the chance.


Like Myers, Larsson's best year was his rookie year where he posted the following stats:

2011-12 New Jersey NHL

GP: 65

G: 2

A: 16

PTS: 18

+/-: -7

PIM: 20

PPG: 0

SHG: 0

GWG: 0

TOI: 20:37


PPG: 0.28


Since then, in the NHL, he's had fewer games played, goals, assists, shots, ZERO PP goals -- of which we'd need from ANY RH d-man -- that we'd immediately plug into the PP just because of his handedness. He's had less time on ice, but averaging just as many PIM while his +/- is just slightly better. 

If that's potential... I'll keep Kindl, at least he's "established" and cheaper than your (Frank) established young D-man or those otherwise "unavailable" prime/established Top 4 D-man.


I'm sure if someone wants to Corsi/Advance/Fancy stats up Larsson, you can tell me why he's worth it... but like Playmaker said earlier, we've got youth with potential.  (Maybe not 4th overall pick potential... but we all know how that goes...)


Sure, a trade for Larsson might be impactful, but it might be a negative impact. Especially if we're giving up futures.


Wait. FFS... What did I just say about Kindl?



EDIT: Sorry, ugly formatting from a table cut and paste.

#2559148 NJ fires DeBoer. Scott Stevens & Adam Oates named coaches

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 07:51 AM

Larson and Bouliton would be nice other than that not much interest in their players


First, to be nit-picky, it's Larsson. 


Second, BOULTON (who I'm assuming you're talking about -- knowing your type) plays for the Islanders. 

There's no one even close to that misspelling on the Devils roster or in their system that I can find.


Third... no Cam Janssen love, bro?


Finally, Jagr in all of the jerseys!!  Git'r'dun Kenny!


EDIT: For the record, I do not wish to help NJ 'restock their cabinets' by trying to obtain Larsson. He's slated to be a great talent. He's playing on a team where he hasn't been trusted to play his style of game, but it's really hard to judge whether he's going to pan out or not. DeBoer didn't give him a lot of leeway and if they bring in another defense-first type coach, it's going to amount to the same for Larsson.

He's a RFA making peanuts at this point.

Even if they're going to tank for McDavid, which is certainly reasonable given their record and their numerous injuries at this point...

Either way, I think the asking price for him is going to be way too high.

#2559108 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by e_prime on 26 December 2014 - 02:17 PM

You really think the loss of Thornton has anything to do with the Bruins regression?


Not the loss of Boychuk & Iginla, the improvement of the Lightning, Canadians, Wings & Leafs (even Panthers), or the injuries to Chara & Krejci


Thornton currently sits on the Panthers with 1 goal and 1 assist in 22 games with a -5 rating, and this "production" is with an increased TOI/G.


Plus Eriksson not performing the way they had hoped when they traded Seguin for him.


...but GUYS remember HOW the league REALLY WORKS??


Punch your way to the top, BABY!

#2558622 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by e_prime on 22 December 2014 - 10:58 PM

Step one.
Make smith a forward.
Step two.
Trade him franzen kindl and whatever comparable or similarly named other piece Boston gave to Dallas.
Step three.
Acquire seguin.

Yes, because Nill is so willing to trade Seguin and the "other" Smith will be as good as a forward as Reilly is...  and Really... we should be trading for O'Reilly. 

Not Seguin.



[insert MY Media]

#2558618 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by e_prime on 22 December 2014 - 09:56 PM

Scoring still a problem.

If only the Red Wings had someone playing in Grand Rapids who was 2nd in the AHL in goals scored and 4th in points.

And, if only he was a righty.

That would be awesome.

Somebody kick his tires for ripeness.  (Mixing metaphors. SORRY!)

#2558102 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 03:49 PM

I just read some random facebook comment that there is a Franzen for Hall trade in the works with the Oilers. He said look it up. I did'nt bother. That's just insane, but the Oilers management is pretty dumb...lol




That would be tremendous! LOL! Here we go! Franzen, Helm, Smith, Pulkkinen and rights to Backman for Hall, Petry.

See... see what you've done.  Just great... You've gotten his hopes up "chaps."  Thanks a wholef****** lot. :nono:

#2558079 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 12:31 PM

Do you have Franzen's cell phone number and play poker with the guy when he is not on the ice? I feel like you're his PR on this forum. The guy is having an awful year. I mean I have his jersey too and I loved him but can't you admit that his 6 goals in 2 games and 0 in the next 20 every year can get a bit tiresome and that he floats a lot? We are all huge fans here but you simply can't tell me he isn't a problem and that other fans aren't allowed to point this out if they want to on a Red Wings' fan forum right?

You have every right to complain about it... it's just been done ad naseum. I feel like I need to do some research on known "floaters" "streaky" around the league and get back to you on their cap hit vs. laziness levels/streakiness to give you something to *really* think about...


Franzen vs Just some names off the top of my head in the meantime


Franzen (3.955 million dollar cap hit -- let's go crazy and call it 4 miilion) 6 goals 13 assists in 25 games -- signed thru 19-20 


Alexander Semin (7 million dollar cap hit) 1 goal. 5 assists in 21 games -- signed thru 17-18

Bobby Ryan (7.25 million dollar cap hit) 7 goals 12 assists in 28 games -- signed thru 21-22

Joffrey Lupul (5.25 million dollar cap hit) 7goals 5 assists  in 20 games  -- signed thru 17-18


...and yes.  Me, #9, and the Mule hang out all the time when the Wings play in NYC.  ...and he totally laughs when we call him out for his laziness. He still pays for drinks too.

#2558072 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 11:54 AM

Yes. We lose a lot of games because he is useless without the puck and pretty useless even with it this year. I know you love him and his cap hit to death and everything but at some point you have to admit he stinks right now and as nice as 08 and 09 were he shouldn't be here throwing an anchor down on every line he is on especially with the energy we have from the young guys. 

So we should have scratched Franzen in favor of everybody's other favorite... Danny Cleary.


Totally would have won the game with Clears in.  He's got no knees... BUT HE'S GOT HEART!! SOMETHING FRANZEN NEVER HAD!!



#2558067 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 11:02 AM

First round for Quincey
Resign Quincey
Resign cleary
Sign tootoo for three years and not play put him on roster
Sign colo for 2 years
Bringing back Sammy again
Trading top 2 or 3 prospect for rental center
Franzen deal...

Clearly no bad contracts at all.

Give me a break.


All of this seems like extreme belly-aching.


Most of these issues are slight hiccups.  Not crippling long term or short term.


Is Quincey worth a first... probably not. ...but would Holland have drafted a first round pick anyway... probably not.

He would have traded it for two 2nd rounders and then traded one of those second round picks for two more third rounders.


Get over Cleary. He's on the roster until he's ready to be done. Just like Maltby. Just like Draper. Suck it up. He's not even playing.


Tootoo wasn't played by Babcock... not Holland. Point the blame in the right direction, sir.

Then he, along with Colo were bought out.  Would have been Sammy if he wasn't injured...

...and please, let's not pretend like other GMs don't resign guys that they're familiar with.


And I'm sorry, but Franzen is worth his cap hit. Am I enamored with his play all of the time?  No. I'm sure Holland isn't either but

Holland certainly didn't know that the latest CBA would include a cap recapture clause that would make that Franzen deal a little less digestable.



Exactly. I mean ya those 2 or 3 year deals for broken over the hill useless players was def not crippling it int forced nyquist and Tatar to remain in the minors for a year or two longer than they should've.

or how about the fact he offered those long term crap contracts to suter and parise. Suter would've made them better but those are the contracts that hurt you down the road.

How about kindl? He could easily be waved or dumped for nothing to allow ouellette to be on this team but holland refuses to...why?


So. Now he's in the wrong for trying to get Suter and Parise?  He just can't win. Worst GM ever.


Kindl isn't waived because Ken Holland understands the need for depth... and he's not just going to give away a guy that's signed for a few years at a reasonable price.


So you would say he made short term crippling decisions but not long term? That sounds about right to me...except for potentially franzens, z or kronwalls if they decide to retire early.



Except... except... except... Yes. All those "what if's" we should be considering.


Regarding last night's game:  What is up with Mrazek getting so far out of net on multiple plays? Does he always do that? Does anyone else have a heart-attack whenever he does? Should I not worry so much?