1. Young established right handed defenceman are either not available or would cost more
2. A top 4 defender in his prime isn't available either
So while Larsson may be a question mark he also has a lot of potential. This team needs an impactful trade sooner than later that's for sure
Larsson has potential, but honestly, he hasn't even been given the chance.
Like Myers, Larsson's best year was his rookie year where he posted the following stats:
2011-12 New Jersey NHL
Since then, in the NHL, he's had fewer games played, goals, assists, shots, ZERO PP goals -- of which we'd need from ANY RH d-man -- that we'd immediately plug into the PP just because of his handedness. He's had less time on ice, but averaging just as many PIM while his +/- is just slightly better.
If that's potential... I'll keep Kindl, at least he's "established" and cheaper than your (Frank) established young D-man or those otherwise "unavailable" prime/established Top 4 D-man.
I'm sure if someone wants to Corsi/Advance/Fancy stats up Larsson, you can tell me why he's worth it... but like Playmaker said earlier, we've got youth with potential. (Maybe not 4th overall pick potential... but we all know how that goes...)
Sure, a trade for Larsson might be impactful, but it might be a negative impact. Especially if we're giving up futures.
Wait. FFS... What did I just say about Kindl?
EDIT: Sorry, ugly formatting from a table cut and paste.
Larson and Bouliton would be nice other than that not much interest in their players
First, to be nit-picky, it's Larsson.
Second, BOULTON (who I'm assuming you're talking about -- knowing your type) plays for the Islanders.
There's no one even close to that misspelling on the Devils roster or in their system that I can find.
Third... no Cam Janssen love, bro?
Finally, Jagr in all of the jerseys!! Git'r'dun Kenny!
EDIT: For the record, I do not wish to help NJ 'restock their cabinets' by trying to obtain Larsson. He's slated to be a great talent. He's playing on a team where he hasn't been trusted to play his style of game, but it's really hard to judge whether he's going to pan out or not. DeBoer didn't give him a lot of leeway and if they bring in another defense-first type coach, it's going to amount to the same for Larsson.
He's a RFA making peanuts at this point.
Even if they're going to tank for McDavid, which is certainly reasonable given their record and their numerous injuries at this point...
Either way, I think the asking price for him is going to be way too high.
I just read some random facebook comment that there is a Franzen for Hall trade in the works with the Oilers. He said look it up. I did'nt bother. That's just insane, but the Oilers management is pretty dumb...lol
That would be tremendous! LOL! Here we go! Franzen, Helm, Smith, Pulkkinen and rights to Backman for Hall, Petry.
See... see what you've done. Just great... You've gotten his hopes up "chaps." Thanks a wholef****** lot.
Do you have Franzen's cell phone number and play poker with the guy when he is not on the ice? I feel like you're his PR on this forum. The guy is having an awful year. I mean I have his jersey too and I loved him but can't you admit that his 6 goals in 2 games and 0 in the next 20 every year can get a bit tiresome and that he floats a lot? We are all huge fans here but you simply can't tell me he isn't a problem and that other fans aren't allowed to point this out if they want to on a Red Wings' fan forum right?
You have every right to complain about it... it's just been done ad naseum. I feel like I need to do some research on known "floaters" "streaky" around the league and get back to you on their cap hit vs. laziness levels/streakiness to give you something to *really* think about...
Franzen vs Just some names off the top of my head in the meantime
Franzen (3.955 million dollar cap hit -- let's go crazy and call it 4 miilion) 6 goals 13 assists in 25 games -- signed thru 19-20
Alexander Semin (7 million dollar cap hit) 1 goal. 5 assists in 21 games -- signed thru 17-18
Bobby Ryan (7.25 million dollar cap hit) 7 goals 12 assists in 28 games -- signed thru 21-22
Joffrey Lupul (5.25 million dollar cap hit) 7goals 5 assists in 20 games -- signed thru 17-18
...and yes. Me, #9, and the Mule hang out all the time when the Wings play in NYC. ...and he totally laughs when we call him out for his laziness. He still pays for drinks too.
Yes. We lose a lot of games because he is useless without the puck and pretty useless even with it this year. I know you love him and his cap hit to death and everything but at some point you have to admit he stinks right now and as nice as 08 and 09 were he shouldn't be here throwing an anchor down on every line he is on especially with the energy we have from the young guys.
So we should have scratched Franzen in favor of everybody's other favorite... Danny Cleary.
Totally would have won the game with Clears in. He's got no knees... BUT HE'S GOT HEART!! SOMETHING FRANZEN NEVER HAD!!
First round for Quincey
Sign tootoo for three years and not play put him on roster
Sign colo for 2 years
Bringing back Sammy again
Trading top 2 or 3 prospect for rental center
Clearly no bad contracts at all.
Give me a break.
All of this seems like extreme belly-aching.
Most of these issues are slight hiccups. Not crippling long term or short term.
Is Quincey worth a first... probably not. ...but would Holland have drafted a first round pick anyway... probably not.
He would have traded it for two 2nd rounders and then traded one of those second round picks for two more third rounders.
Get over Cleary. He's on the roster until he's ready to be done. Just like Maltby. Just like Draper. Suck it up. He's not even playing.
Tootoo wasn't played by Babcock... not Holland. Point the blame in the right direction, sir.
Then he, along with Colo were bought out. Would have been Sammy if he wasn't injured...
...and please, let's not pretend like other GMs don't resign guys that they're familiar with.
And I'm sorry, but Franzen is worth his cap hit. Am I enamored with his play all of the time? No. I'm sure Holland isn't either but
Holland certainly didn't know that the latest CBA would include a cap recapture clause that would make that Franzen deal a little less digestable.
Exactly. I mean ya those 2 or 3 year deals for broken over the hill useless players was def not crippling it int forced nyquist and Tatar to remain in the minors for a year or two longer than they should've.
or how about the fact he offered those long term crap contracts to suter and parise. Suter would've made them better but those are the contracts that hurt you down the road.
How about kindl? He could easily be waved or dumped for nothing to allow ouellette to be on this team but holland refuses to...why?
So. Now he's in the wrong for trying to get Suter and Parise? He just can't win. Worst GM ever.
Kindl isn't waived because Ken Holland understands the need for depth... and he's not just going to give away a guy that's signed for a few years at a reasonable price.
So you would say he made short term crippling decisions but not long term? That sounds about right to me...except for potentially franzens, z or kronwalls if they decide to retire early.
Except... except... except... Yes. All those "what if's" we should be considering.
Regarding last night's game: What is up with Mrazek getting so far out of net on multiple plays? Does he always do that? Does anyone else have a heart-attack whenever he does? Should I not worry so much?
They give a proposal from a few teams, and I think this is much more accurate then the extreme's on both ends posted in this thread.
For Detroit, here is their proposal and analysis:
To Detroit Red Wings = Taylor Hall and Jeff Petry
To Edmonton Oilers = Riley Sheahan, Anthony Mantha, Teemu Pulkkinen and Ryan Sproul
ANALYSIS: There is both quantity and quality in this return package. Sheahan is a top-nine centre with size, Mantha is one of the best power-forward prospects in the league, Pulkkinen is leading the AHL in scoring and a sniper at that level, and Sproul is a gifted offensive defenceman. Detroit is the only team in the league that could afford to move four top prospects like that without totally depleting its pipeline. The Red Wings know Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg don’t have many years left, not to mention coach Mike Babcock’s contract is expiring, so they might be willing to go all-in for another Cup run. Adding Hall up front would be huge and Petry would fit the bill as that right-handed defenceman Detroit has been searching for, plus he’s a Michigan native who would almost certainly re-sign with the Red Wings.
kliq, I agree with about 99% of your posts but I can't disagree more on that being a "much more accurate" trade proposal... I would lose my s*** if that trade were to happen. We just lost one of my favorite young Wings (Sheahan), my (everyone's) favorite prospect (Mantha), one of the top players in the American League (Pulkkinen), and my favorite defense prospect (Sproul). Maybe we should add in Mrazek and Scrivens to top it all off. That trade would be absolute robbery by Edmonto in my opinion.
Robbery by Edmonton and losing our collective s*** isn't the half of it...
I like how this proposal was written pretty much as a sales pitch for Detroit acquiring Petry... when the real piece in that trade would be Hall.
...but sure, let's trade away our third best center (behind Z and Dats) our first bonafied sniper we've drafted in years, a budding prospect who's lighting it up in the AHL, and the guy who's arguably the next D call-up behind XO -- for a guy who's a secondary trade piece (such as say... Helm or Kindl would be in any trade put together by us) in Petry and a guy who's "uncoachable." Sure. That makes sense.
Also, why does every single trade proposal have to include the fact that Z and Dats don't have that many years left and Babcock might not return to the team. Nof****** s***. Does that mean we should be desperate to acquire pieces that aren't necessarily needed? Hell no. Petry isn't a top pairing D-man. We shouldn't even consider getting him unless Edmonton is willing to take Kindl going back the other way. Giving up three solid forwards in exchange for Hall isn't worth it.
Also krsmith. kilq didn't write the proposal... just posted it.