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#2559897 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by e_prime on 31 December 2014 - 08:01 AM

Of the multitude of Centers that we have, which one is the most likely to be traded?  Which has the greatest return value?  Which the least?


Not counting Franzen, as he is typically not a center. 

Including Weiss, Helm, and Andersson -- as they are known as centers who happen to be playing wing.

Not including Z or Dats -- as they're obviously the most valuable to the team; would garner the most return, but will never be traded.


Sheahan: (Hopefully) not likely to be traded, highest trade value

(Youth + Two-Way-Play + Future Potential.  He's a keeper.  Even if he ends up just being a 3C and not a 2C)


Weiss: Not easily trade-able, and still questionable value -- too early to tell whether any other team values him, as his health remains a question mark.

(I think he could be traded and get good return, but the fact he's not getting a lot of ice time in Detroit, despite his offensive capabilities is a head-scratcher.  Is he getting protected minutes? Does Babcock not trust him?  Does Weiss have a future with this team?)


Helm: Most likely to be traded, not huge trade value, but he is a solid third line center with top-6 winger capabilities.  (He's the C, I'd trade first.)


Glendenning: Not likely to be traded, not a lot of trade value  (wouldn't want him to be traded)


Andersson:  Most likely traded solely as an add on, not a lot of trade value  (would rather he be traded than waived -- he's the current roster's Emdog)

#2559502 12/29 GDT - Red Wings 2 at Bruins 5

Posted by e_prime on 29 December 2014 - 01:11 PM

Makes sense.  Lash is fine.

Well it looks like we all got our Christmas wish with Kindl hurt. I really hope this gives Smith a shot on the PP

Speak for yourself!  I didn't wish for that.  I hoped for good play and a trade.  :D

#2559487 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by e_prime on 29 December 2014 - 12:17 PM

What is the big deal with Petry ? Why would someone give up a draft pick to get this guy. He is one of the worst d man on the worst team. The only upside is that he is a right handed shooter and looks like DeKeyser. Only if can be swapped with Kindl straight up.

Who's suggesting giving the Oilers a draft pick?  Besides, they wouldn't know what to do with it anyway...

#2559428 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by e_prime on 28 December 2014 - 11:45 AM


I don't see why not.  Hell, throw Q in there to sweetin the pot up. I always said Helm would automatically become their best defensive forward plus he'd be an upgrade at the center position behind Hopkins.  K, Q and Helm for Petry and a 2nd round pick.


I get that trading Helm allows us to bring up Pulks and that trading Q allows us to keep XO up, but I think that's a tad bit of an overpayment.  Although that 2nd round pick would be quite nice the way EDM is trending.

#2559423 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by e_prime on 28 December 2014 - 11:09 AM

why the hell would edm do that even they aren't desperate enough for Hiccup Kindl


Why not?


They continue to struggle...

MacT doesn't have the balls to trade Hall, or Eberle, or RNH...

He doesn't even have the balls to trade Yak. 

Petry and Perron have been on the block all season and yet here they are still on the team.


If he's desperate to keep his job... He'll move guys that don't want to be there for guys he can keep there... if not by choice, but by current contract.


They are that desperate. Nine losses in a row. Their last win was Dec 7th.  They haven't strung together a winning streak of any sort this year. The last time they won back to back games was all the way back to Nov 7th. 

A month at a time for a win. (...or if they're lucky two.)


They need an upgrade of any sort at C behind RNH.

Boyd Gordon isn't a second line center. Draisaitl is a frigging child.

They need better D.  Schultz is the lone bright spot. He needs help.

They need better goaltending.

How Bachman hasn't gotten a chance is beyond me...


Have I stated clearly enough how desperate they should be?


So let me restate the case for Kindl to EDM for Petry:


Does Petry for Kindl straight up happen? Sure. Why not?

MacT knows that Petry is not going to re-sign in Edmonton next year... he trades him for Kindl who's signed for another two years for a reasonable price... He's doing something... ANYTHING.

It shows the league, "Hey, MacT is ready to make some moves...  EDM is open for business."


To make things even more clear, because I know it's the stumbling block for all of you: 


Just because Kindl is our whipping boy doesn't mean he's completely worthless.

There. I said it. He isn't. 

Is he great? No, but he's just one piece in a multitude of issues that exist on our defense.

#2559373 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:46 PM

:28 seconds -- three laps of the offensive zone.

#2559337 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:32 PM

Play for the win not OT, boys!

#2559325 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:23 PM

Nice try by Helm. The boys look like they're starting to wake up.



Do or Do Not. There is no try.


I guess it's typically "Do Not."

#2559312 12/27 GDT: Red Wings 3 @ Senators 2 (OT)

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 09:18 PM

Who's in net? Talk about a ridiculous level of run support. Who has the goals/assists for the Griffs?


Pretty even across the scoresheet.  http://theahl.com/st...game_id=1013909


Tommy McC in net.

#2559199 NJ fires DeBoer. Scott Stevens & Adam Oates named coaches

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 07:12 PM

The problem is this:

1. Young established right handed defenceman are either not available or would cost more

2. A top 4 defender in his prime isn't available either


So while Larsson may be a question mark he also has a lot of potential. This team needs an impactful trade sooner than later that's for sure

Larsson has potential, but honestly, he hasn't even been given the chance.


Like Myers, Larsson's best year was his rookie year where he posted the following stats:

2011-12 New Jersey NHL

GP: 65

G: 2

A: 16

PTS: 18

+/-: -7

PIM: 20

PPG: 0

SHG: 0

GWG: 0

TOI: 20:37


PPG: 0.28


Since then, in the NHL, he's had fewer games played, goals, assists, shots, ZERO PP goals -- of which we'd need from ANY RH d-man -- that we'd immediately plug into the PP just because of his handedness. He's had less time on ice, but averaging just as many PIM while his +/- is just slightly better. 

If that's potential... I'll keep Kindl, at least he's "established" and cheaper than your (Frank) established young D-man or those otherwise "unavailable" prime/established Top 4 D-man.


I'm sure if someone wants to Corsi/Advance/Fancy stats up Larsson, you can tell me why he's worth it... but like Playmaker said earlier, we've got youth with potential.  (Maybe not 4th overall pick potential... but we all know how that goes...)


Sure, a trade for Larsson might be impactful, but it might be a negative impact. Especially if we're giving up futures.


Wait. FFS... What did I just say about Kindl?



EDIT: Sorry, ugly formatting from a table cut and paste.

#2559148 NJ fires DeBoer. Scott Stevens & Adam Oates named coaches

Posted by e_prime on 27 December 2014 - 07:51 AM

Larson and Bouliton would be nice other than that not much interest in their players


First, to be nit-picky, it's Larsson. 


Second, BOULTON (who I'm assuming you're talking about -- knowing your type) plays for the Islanders. 

There's no one even close to that misspelling on the Devils roster or in their system that I can find.


Third... no Cam Janssen love, bro?


Finally, Jagr in all of the jerseys!!  Git'r'dun Kenny!


EDIT: For the record, I do not wish to help NJ 'restock their cabinets' by trying to obtain Larsson. He's slated to be a great talent. He's playing on a team where he hasn't been trusted to play his style of game, but it's really hard to judge whether he's going to pan out or not. DeBoer didn't give him a lot of leeway and if they bring in another defense-first type coach, it's going to amount to the same for Larsson.

He's a RFA making peanuts at this point.

Even if they're going to tank for McDavid, which is certainly reasonable given their record and their numerous injuries at this point...

Either way, I think the asking price for him is going to be way too high.

#2559108 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by e_prime on 26 December 2014 - 02:17 PM

You really think the loss of Thornton has anything to do with the Bruins regression?


Not the loss of Boychuk & Iginla, the improvement of the Lightning, Canadians, Wings & Leafs (even Panthers), or the injuries to Chara & Krejci


Thornton currently sits on the Panthers with 1 goal and 1 assist in 22 games with a -5 rating, and this "production" is with an increased TOI/G.


Plus Eriksson not performing the way they had hoped when they traded Seguin for him.


...but GUYS remember HOW the league REALLY WORKS??


Punch your way to the top, BABY!

#2558622 Are the Wings a Contender?

Posted by e_prime on 22 December 2014 - 10:58 PM

Step one.
Make smith a forward.
Step two.
Trade him franzen kindl and whatever comparable or similarly named other piece Boston gave to Dallas.
Step three.
Acquire seguin.

Yes, because Nill is so willing to trade Seguin and the "other" Smith will be as good as a forward as Reilly is...  and Really... we should be trading for O'Reilly. 

Not Seguin.



[insert MY Media]

#2558618 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by e_prime on 22 December 2014 - 09:56 PM

Scoring still a problem.

If only the Red Wings had someone playing in Grand Rapids who was 2nd in the AHL in goals scored and 4th in points.

And, if only he was a righty.

That would be awesome.

Somebody kick his tires for ripeness.  (Mixing metaphors. SORRY!)

#2558102 12/19 GDT : Islanders 2 at Red Wings 1

Posted by e_prime on 20 December 2014 - 03:49 PM

I just read some random facebook comment that there is a Franzen for Hall trade in the works with the Oilers. He said look it up. I did'nt bother. That's just insane, but the Oilers management is pretty dumb...lol




That would be tremendous! LOL! Here we go! Franzen, Helm, Smith, Pulkkinen and rights to Backman for Hall, Petry.

See... see what you've done.  Just great... You've gotten his hopes up "chaps."  Thanks a wholef****** lot. :nono: