e_prime

once again you have given me every reason to question your morals......

Whoa.

I think it was to show the weirdness of the photo, not to bring upon judgement.  

Could he not question the same thing about you after reposting a pic that's shown at least three or four posts in a row?

I speak both of the Chara/Pacioretty hit and the doll.

I can't believe people are acctually saying this was not dirty! I mean come on! If this was Datsyuk we wouldn't be debating if it was right or wrong! Chara IS a dirty player and he should miss rest of season plus playoffs. This league is ridiculous... one day someone will die on the ice and its not going to be Colin Campbell or other ******* who are going to justify, but the police will. This was clearly intentional! This is not hockey! Players have no respect for each other.

CANCEL

No. We'd be more upset because it is "our" player.  
Slappies excluded. Most, if not all of us, would still have the same opinion on the hit.

If it were clearly intentional, we wouldn't be discussing it.

It is hockey.  There is hitting in hockey and sometimes it has unfortunate results.

I'm not even touching your last sentence.

Does there need to be intent to injure someone?  

"I Didnt Mean It" defense only works for 8 yr old who put gum in their sisters hair......  Man up and take responsibility for your ACTIONS!

EDIT*  Ill Debate the " I didnt mean it " defense on Demers too.  he had plenty of time to NOT throw that punch!

I mean, I don't see the intent to drive him into the glass like that.

He doesn't ride him into the glass.

He finishes his check. Questionable if, as everyone says and thinks, he knows exactly where he is on the ice and what'll happen if he finishes his check.


It's an unfortunate, but not malicious hit.

Still not seeing the intent.

Oh right, it's not visible.

History aside, it looked like intent to injure. Obviously if he was just going to rub him against the boards and Pacs hit the stantion, then I'd think other wise, but Chara made sure he actually threw Pacs into the stantion. Just look at the replay, you can clearly see him throw him into it.  You don't need to be a dirty player to let your emotions get the best of you. look at Bertuzzi, he was never a dirty player and just that one incident will forever label him as a dirty player when we all know he isn't.

Hell, even LePuke wasn't a dirty player, but that one incident he lost his brain and smushed Draper. Players can have a relatively clean career and still do something dirty.

Not that I don't appreciate A LOT of the video work that you do but, not that you've even broken this hit down, if you look at video hard enough, you can see whatever you want to see out of it.  

The game is played in a speed faster than replay, screenshots, and slow-motion...

There are certainly a lot of players out there that deliberately make bad decisions or premeditated actions on the ice that lead to injury.

Other players also make split second decisions that involve injury whether there is intent or not.

As I said in the previous thread, I think Chara's received all the punishment he'll get.  5 minutes for interference.  Game Misconduct.

I'll leave it at that...

Except to disagree and say that Claude was a terribly dirty player... although just like Chara's hit tonight, I'm not sure he meant to rub Draper out into the boards like that.

Update: Pacioretty is able to move all limbs.

Oh yay!  PTI will be discussing this for :20 seconds today.  

This is why I hate when players do boneheaded things.  It causes discussion of hockey by those who have no understanding of the game.  ...and no, I don't consider Wilbon's blind homerism for the Hawks as understanding of the game.

Oh, on whether the Clutterbuck hit was clean or not....who cares?  That's a separate incicident, which should be treated separately.

Disclaimer:  Playing devil's advocate here.  

Gilles cares whether Clutterbuck's hit was clean/questionable or not...
That's why he's there... to "protect" young players (DiBenedetto - 22y/o - second game)

...and the incidents are mere moments apart.
They are tied together.  Clutterbuck delivers a hit Gilles sees as questionable.  He delivers his retaliation/protection.
He's just doing it wrong.

What's that got to do with Avery?

It's a good comeback to obnoxious fans?

That's all I was trying to say with my original post...

Is this supposed to be funny? I don't get it?

The guy heckling him probably is some snaggle-toothed knuckle dragger...

Anyway, it's a better comeback than "F*** you."

(Which was the response I got from Wade Redden when I asked him to play to the level of his contract number...)

Versteeg's gotta be a happy camper.

You know, say what you will about the fighting and what was classy or not, but the Isles have been walked on all season long.  

They stood up for the perception of Johnson and Fleury laughing at the DiPietro situation. (as laughable as it was...)
They took exception to the hit on Comeau.

Not to mention they scored 9 goals and their rook looked pretty good in net (2 goals given up on 5 minute majors)
Three of their players went to 20+ goals last night.

Right or wrong, this team stood up for themselves last night, put on a show, and made the Penguins look like the foolish ones.

I think the fan is just pissed because he didn't realize he'd be paying for seats with a partially obstructed view.

I think Phil Kessel might have started this Facebook group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=26160250190

No doubt he did.

Kessel is the epitome of the truffle shuffle.

You know, people can say how "awesome" or "ridiculous" this whole debacle was, but in the end you have to look at it this way:

The NHL took a step outside of the box and this draft looks how a lot of people think about sports outside of their favorite teams.  They allowed the players to pick in the way "we" might... a fantasy draft

I think it's a great concept and we'll be looking at Staal's homerism over Nick's Defenseman/Center picking system for a while.

It's a nice change of pace.

I mean what did the NFL do this year?  Move the Pro-Bowl to pre-superbowl weekend?
What's the NBA doing?
MLB??

Yeah. Not much.

Certainly you can think it's grasping at straws if you want to, but everyone knows the ASG is nothing more than a show for half-assed friends (what??  I meant fans) and corporate sponsors...
at least make it fun for the guys that have to show up... and for the guys that are picked last.  (give tubby a goddamned car)  

EDIT: edits in bold. for clarity.

Lobbying to get picked by Lids.   (If he plays.)