They give a proposal from a few teams, and I think this is much more accurate then the extreme's on both ends posted in this thread.
For Detroit, here is their proposal and analysis:
To Detroit Red Wings = Taylor Hall and Jeff Petry
To Edmonton Oilers = Riley Sheahan, Anthony Mantha, Teemu Pulkkinen and Ryan Sproul
ANALYSIS: There is both quantity and quality in this return package. Sheahan is a top-nine centre with size, Mantha is one of the best power-forward prospects in the league, Pulkkinen is leading the AHL in scoring and a sniper at that level, and Sproul is a gifted offensive defenceman. Detroit is the only team in the league that could afford to move four top prospects like that without totally depleting its pipeline. The Red Wings know Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg don’t have many years left, not to mention coach Mike Babcock’s contract is expiring, so they might be willing to go all-in for another Cup run. Adding Hall up front would be huge and Petry would fit the bill as that right-handed defenceman Detroit has been searching for, plus he’s a Michigan native who would almost certainly re-sign with the Red Wings.
kliq, I agree with about 99% of your posts but I can't disagree more on that being a "much more accurate" trade proposal... I would lose my s*** if that trade were to happen. We just lost one of my favorite young Wings (Sheahan), my (everyone's) favorite prospect (Mantha), one of the top players in the American League (Pulkkinen), and my favorite defense prospect (Sproul). Maybe we should add in Mrazek and Scrivens to top it all off. That trade would be absolute robbery by Edmonto in my opinion.
Robbery by Edmonton and losing our collective s*** isn't the half of it...
I like how this proposal was written pretty much as a sales pitch for Detroit acquiring Petry... when the real piece in that trade would be Hall.
...but sure, let's trade away our third best center (behind Z and Dats) our first bonafied sniper we've drafted in years, a budding prospect who's lighting it up in the AHL, and the guy who's arguably the next D call-up behind XO -- for a guy who's a secondary trade piece (such as say... Helm or Kindl would be in any trade put together by us) in Petry and a guy who's "uncoachable." Sure. That makes sense.
Also, why does every single trade proposal have to include the fact that Z and Dats don't have that many years left and Babcock might not return to the team. Nof****** s***. Does that mean we should be desperate to acquire pieces that aren't necessarily needed? Hell no. Petry isn't a top pairing D-man. We shouldn't even consider getting him unless Edmonton is willing to take Kindl going back the other way. Giving up three solid forwards in exchange for Hall isn't worth it.
Also krsmith. kilq didn't write the proposal... just posted it.
I think Bogo could be better in a different system and a different team, but I think the price to take a chance on that guy is going to be too high.
Same thing for Meyers. I'm sure that Buffalo has realized that they're never going to get Mantha + Nyquist for Meyers, but it doesn't mean that they're not still asking that type of price.
Mike Green, who started off the year as a big question mark, has stayed healthy and kept himself relevant on a team that "upgraded" their defense with the Orpik and Niskanen signings. He's not going to come cheap, won't get traded until the deadline and only if Washington is on the outside looking in or needing an offensive piece to help them.
If you're looking to dump someone off for some draft picks, 4th line role players, or middling prospects -- you're all good, but...
Hockey trades for legit players or those that are poised to break-out or have the potential to do so are hard to make.
Let's not kid ourselves.
Yandle... *droool* If I were that guy I'd be clamoring to get out. Maybe not out of ARI where it's beautiful and sunny all of the time, but as a hockey player, I'd welcome a trade out of the desert. No offense to that team, their awesome coach, etc. but they're going nowhere near the playoffs this year.
Also, Wiz ain't coming to Detroit. Ever. Well... at least, not while Ken Holland is GM. (Maybe when he's 37 and can play defense. )
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So maybe even holland valued him and Ferraro less by waiving them before nestrasil?
He went unclaimed at the beginning of the season when rosters were being trimmed, teams were figuring out what they had, etc. Now other teams know what they have, what they need and that Mitch Callahan is a realgud player -- with 7 goals 8 assists at the AHL level for a guy that's slated to have limited offensive upside at the pro-level, but is already a good grinder/agitator.
Do wish Nestrasil had maybe cleared, of course. ...but the guy has 1 goal and 1 assist in 5GP with Carolina, averaging aprox. 3-4 minutes more ice time per game than he did here in DET, where he had an assist and no goals over 13GP. Not to knock his talent level, but even a blind dog finds a bone occasionally.
...but I really don't want to delve into what Holland thinks or how he values players, but in my estimation he's obviously doing something right.
You obviously don't follow the wings, day to day in Detroit means 2 months
Yes, I do follow the Wings. I follow almost every Twitter account I can that has anything to do on the Wings. I'm just going on what is reported. Ken Holland confirmed he is day to day so other than that it's just speculation.
You definitely don't follow the wings.
If you do, what kind of binoculars do you use?
oh sarcasm, you silly fool... how you evade us so... i can't even spy you with my binoculars.
I think that once a player clears he can be recalled and sent down without having to clear again if he is up for less than 10 games or 30 days.
So that'd be great for recalling XO, but if you want to bring up Callahan... it's a different story.
It's that initial offering that I think we'd lose him.
Unless of course we're all overvaluing our prospects as any fanboy/grrl tends to do.
...but of course most of us undervalued Nestrasil and he got claimed. So, there's that to chew on.
Andersson is utterly useless. Get rid of him. Trade or waive him, I really don't care, just get him off the roster. Like I mentioned a couple weeks ago and was also being discussed in another thread by Jesusberg and number9, Andersson is our Emmerton of a couple years ago. Useless, but just filling a roster spot. Andersson will either be on a bottom feeder team or back in Sweden in a year or two, he has no place in this lineup...
I agree to an extent, he's solid on the pk, and not a bad fourth liner, so not useless.
But I would be fine if we waived him.
Cally is exactly the type of 4th liner that we need. Can score. Can grind. Tenacious. Hard-working.
Andersson can't score and it'd be nice to see more scoring from our 4th line.
Jurco's been better on the 4th than Andersson.
He shouldn't have to play there, but still made better use of that time than Andersson has.
Every time I say something isn't working on this team, they turn around and make it work. Inconsistency? They win four in a row. Too many centers on the team? Offense starts scoring like gangbusters. Powerplay's a mess? Top ten in the league.
So I guess what I'm saying is...they will absolutely, positively, not win the Stanley Cup in decisive fashion in front of a home crowd while Kid Rock and I are in the front row (surrounded by strippers) getting hammered drunk. Nope, not at all.
Am I invited to this party? You can remind Bobby that he and I went to the same high school and church. (ok, so he was a senior when I was a freshman -- but his sister and I graduated the same year... also, I never really saw him at church, but I know his family went to the same Catholic church as my family did... it counts, no?)
Said it before, saying it again... we still need to make a move so that we can consistently rotate in a prospect on D. XO having to go back down because Smith is back and healthy, and there's no room on the roster, is an issue.
Lash, Kindl, or KFQ need to get moved for this reason alone.
Preferably Kindl. Then, KFQ.
Especially if we make a trade and upgrade a D-man, preferably RH, I'm fine with that too.