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#2486219 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by darkmanx on 22 February 2014 - 12:45 PM

That's what bums me out most: They quit.

What did I miss, where was Dustin Brown the 2nd half of the game? Did Bylsma basically go with two lines?
How did he go from TJ Sochi to TJ Nochie so fast?

Edit: Kane is an emotional weakling.


His only highlight.



#2483762 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by peabrain on 14 February 2014 - 02:24 AM


The good:
Norway and slovenia looked way better then expected.
(granted the slovs jerseys are terrible and making out the numbers are impossible.)

The bad:
Zetterberg and dats are badly dented.
The russian own zone coverage and defense, looks as organized and solid as a bunch of lemmings in a burning building.
D.sedin looks as lost as hes done over the last two months with the nucks.

The ugly:
Getzlaf continues his international career of kneeing.
Nichuskin continues to run into goalies.

#2483285 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by rrasco on 10 February 2014 - 10:07 PM

I can honestly say I've been itching for these Olympics since 2010.  2010 was freaking exciting...even though my team lost and the-one-who-shall-not-be-named scored the GWG.  Anybody but him please.  I watched the games at work and acted like I was at home.  I had a 26" monitor on my side desk.  People were coming into my office watching the games with me...talking hockey, at least attempting to converse about it.  In a little old office, in South Texas.  Ha, it was madness.  My point being...it definitely gets people interested in hockey, even if only for the time being.  It's a seed.  And it's effin awesome.

#2483115 Wings go to Mexico

Posted by 55fan on 10 February 2014 - 05:31 AM

Wings to Sochi:  The vodka is pure, but it's a terrible place because you can't drink the water.

Wings to Mexico:  The tequila has a worm in it, so who cares if you can't drink the water?

#2478231 NHL may rethink Sochi

Posted by frankgrimes on 28 January 2014 - 05:31 PM

If players want to go they will do so, period. Especially the Russian players, if the midget says "you don't go" they are going to tell hiim f*** you if you don't take us back after the olympics we are going to play in the KHL and making more money there...which then would piss off the owner = hotwater for the commissioner.

#2474286 Nucks vs Flames

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 19 January 2014 - 02:32 AM

Why? The Flames did nothing to warrant a fine or suspension.

Hartley absolutely did. He put out that starting lineup and had Westgarth, a winger, take the opening faceoff. Everyone in the hockey world knew exactly what was going on. When you put those players out and an all out brawl ensues, the coach is responsible.

If the league is fine with the outcome, so be it. But if they don't like how that game and want to be seen as a legitimate sport then they absolutely need to punish Hartley for his actions. Everyone knew what was going to happen. This wasn't simply a coach starting his 4th line.

It's fitting that it happens the same night as the Wings goal off the netting. If the NHL wants to be taken seriously they need to address what is actually happening. Everyone knew the Wings goal shouldn't have counted, yet it did because of four incompetent officials and a bad review policy. Everyone knows what was going to happen when Hartley put out that lineup.

The league has all the legitimacy of professional wrestling tonight.

#2454893 Datsyuk in shootouts

Posted by esteef on 17 November 2013 - 11:26 AM

I guess Babs won't let Tatar take a shootout shot because he's not defensibly responsible?


#2439862 Phoenix Coyotes' Paul Bissonnette to appeal suspension.

Posted by cusimano_brothers on 29 September 2013 - 06:51 PM

A scrum ensued and that’s when Bissonnette made an illegal line change, coming off the bench before a teammate returned to it, to join the action. He was given a game misconduct for leaving the bench, and that triggers an automatic 10-game suspension.


Did Uncle Gary take the video equipment out once the new owners took over the Glendale Coyotes?

#2430044 Henrik and Pavel

Posted by Wings_Dynasty on 14 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

Honestly, the ridiculous standards that some Wings fans hold up for number retirement these days, we'd better un-retire Lindsay, Delvecchio and Abel, because they don't qualify.  Hell, even Yzerman, he's not all-NHL all-time quality, so he doesn't count either.  Just Sawchuk, Howe and Lidstrom it is.


IMO, Datsyuk is a yes.  4 more seasons and he will be ~1050 points, more than Ullman, Lindsay, Fedorov, Abel etc and good for 5th all time in Wings scoring (only Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom and Delvecchio will have more)....throw in (at least) 3 Selkes, 4 Lady Byngs, 2 Stanley Cups and an incredible human-highlight-reel style of play and I don't see how you can say no.


Zetterberg is going to be borderline.  A lot depends on how his health holds up, and what he achieves in the 2nd half of his career.  He could easily accumulate 1000+ points, but he might need a bit more silverware.


Fedorov, by any measure should be straight up there.............except for the manner of his departure.  That was one reason why I hoped he would come back late in his career, so he could have a rapproachment with the fans/management.  Hopefully he'll appear in one of the legends games at the WC to begin his rehabilitation.

It's not ALWAYS about stats. Darren McCarty has 4 Cups and 2 of the biggest goals in modern Wings history (3/26/97 OT winner and 97 Cup winner) and the Lemieux beatdown. He has a place of honor with fans but his number will never be retired. 


This is where Pavel and Hank currently sit. Honored but not legendary. 


Now if they could retire gloves then Pavel's would be in the rafters. 

#2406396 2013 Round 2 Photoshop War: Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 18 May 2013 - 12:03 PM

Not specifically pertaining to the Blackhawks, but I snatched this from here a while ago...don't know who made it but I <3 you!



#2408304 2013 Round 2 Photoshop War: Chicago Blackhawks

Posted by McAwesome on 20 May 2013 - 08:50 PM


#2359391 Pavel Datsyuk dangles the entire Predators team!

Posted by evilzyme on 22 February 2013 - 11:43 AM





#2345606 Schenn suspended 1 game for a clean hit

Posted by brandon27 on 23 January 2013 - 07:43 PM

I dont have a problem with the suspension really, its charging all the way, and to me, looks like he leaves his feet to launch into him.  I think its a good call on the NHL's part.   If he doesnt leave his feet, and launch at him...  then my opinion changes.  But leaping up to hit the guy, really forces the body and head/neck of the guy getting hit to jump back, and potentially leading to him falling backwards to the ice... "head first"

#2338526 Will anyone score 50 this year?

Posted by cusimano_brothers on 08 January 2013 - 01:26 PM

Toronto might.

#2332865 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by Buppy on 27 October 2012 - 06:10 PM

...I believe that these investors should at least have the right to try to make a profit on their investment. A 1.5% profit is not fair in the least bit.

I really don't believe the "players were screwed" in the last contract. If you do not recall, the players were making a killing and a vast majority of people were on the owners side in that lockout. True, they took a rollback, but they also had 57% of the revenue in the length of the last CBA. In that time, the players salaries on average are up from 1.5 million to 2.5 million before the start of the 2011-2012 season. Today, it is even higher I am sure.

In the meantime, many people want to look at the Forbes report and say that it is bunk. The league made $110 million last year. That is all fine and dandy, but you if you split 30 teams between $110 million, that $3.66 million per franchise. If those are pure profits, the owners who have invested in a $250 million dollar investment would be making 1.5% on their investment. I know that the owners are viewed as billionaires and they can "lose some money", but if you had the opportunity to make 1.5% on your investment for a year, would you be happy about it?

IMHO, the players can and should take a pay cut of some kind, but every contract should be honored. There is more than enough for both sides in this negotiation.

Don't make up numbers and use them as if they were facts.

The league made $126.5M in 2010-11. About 4% of revenue. We don't know what the profit was last year, since Forbes doesn't have those numbers yet. (However, the numbers we do know, and growth trends for those we don't know, suggest it's very possible the league may have turned record profits last year.)

Secondly, the average purchase price for an NHL team was $139M. Average ownership length is 14 years. Average team value as of last November is $240M, for an appreciation average of $101M. Average profit for the first 6 years of the prior CBA, plus the last year of the CBA before that was $24.5M. Even if we assume profits for last year of only $110M, it brings that to $28.2. Profits or losses from '98-99 through '02-03 aren't available, but considering the league could have, but didn't (in fact, the league agreed to extend that deal 4 years beyond it's original end), open negotiations for a new CBA before each of those years it's hard to imagine any losses were significant. We'll just say the league broke even over that span.

So in total profits, income plus appreciation, the average owner has seen pretty close to (and possibly more than) a 100% return on investment minus whatever was lost in '04-05. Average annual ROI is probably at least 6%, and that's even with losing an entire season. Average annual return on revenue over the life of the last CBA is likely around 5%. And that was with a players' share of 54-57%. All the players' proposals have been less than that.

So you can continue to make up "facts", act like owners can't make any money, etc...but saying it doesn't make it true. Even at 57%, the league as a whole does decent. At 53-54%, the league as a whole would be doing better than the vast majority of industries in the US. The problem in the league is not player salaries, nor player contract rights. The problem is the revenue disparity. That is an issue the owners need to address among themselves. The players have offered to slow (almost stagnate) their salary growth for a time to help. The owners should be saying 'thank you'.

In regards to the bolded section, it simply isn't possible to take an immediate pay cut and honor every contract at the same time. They can take a relative cut in the future, and they have already offered to do so. But the owners are demanding both an immediate cut, and a larger relative cut in the future. Neither is justified by the numbers.

And here's something for the owners to think about, if they're already worried about their public image: Imagine how much worse it will be if we're still locked out in a month, and the Forbes numbers do come out showing record profits.