The failure of the KHL and NHL players on the roster to blend into a cohesive team was clear and apparent. There were rumors in the past few days of tension in the Russian camp, and at the heart of it was the KHL-NHL issue. Why in the world was Alexander Popov playing on the top line with Ovechkin and Malkin the past two games? Why was KHL defenseman Evgeni Medvedev among the leaders in ice time on the team, playing more than NHLers such as Fedor Tyutin and Alexei Emelin?
Why? Because the KHL and Russian hockey hoped to use the world's biggest hockey games as a propaganda tool for the Russian professional league that vies to rival the NHL. Well, that was a complete and utter disaster.
Does anyone believe that the KHL is on a similar level of play than the NHL?
Seems as though those in charge of the Russian Olympic squad have their heads in the sand.
Sorry, but that analysis is utter BS. Medvedev played over Nikulin (KHL), Nikitin (NHL), and Belov (AHL mostly). He was one of the better D-men for Russia. Not great, but then noone on our blue line was even above average. On the 3 Finnish goals today: 1st, Nikitin, NHL Dman got beat like a schoolchild; 2nd, Voynov had a puck bounce over his stick, and didn't have enough speed to recover, so he lost the puck to Garnlund, but his D-partner, the most titled of the Russian D, Markov fell down and left Selanne wide open; what happened to play the pass, not the man on the 2-1???;
3rd PP goal for Finland - Tyutin, our supposedly 2-3rd best D, got blocked out by Granlund and had a best seat watching him score. This was not KHL-NHL problem. Our only effective forward line was Kovy-Datsyuk-Radulov, KHL(sorta)-NHL-KHL. OV-Malkin-Semin didn't work at all, in spite of Malkin's efforts, so coach broke them up, putting Popov on that line so at least somebody would chase the puck and backcheck. As a result, 3rd line of Semin-Anisimov-Kulemin got at least some shots. Perhaps Tarasenko, Nichushkin, Tikhonov with Tereshchenko centering might have gotten some more time, but they weren't standout either.
IMO, the major problems were Ovechkin never finding a place, being unable to change his game from stand-wait-shoot approach. Use your GD speed Alex...
The constant attempts of our D to find forward with a long stretch pass at other blue line drove me bats***. That never works.
Our PP wasn.t working. If they scored on just 15% of the PP opportunities, they'd be in the semis now.
Other than that, they did just about what i expected. The players we had were the best of a short list, so all the KHL-NHL talk is uniformed. Who was left at home that was better than the ones on the ice for Russia?
LOL, if you're going to correct someone for being wrong, at least be right.
The NHL players are insured during the Olympics by the IOC. Will they pay when the player was already injured. It'll be interesting to see.
A normal All Star Break is 4 days, five or six at most. The Olympic Break is 17 days. In US Math, 9+4 or 5 or 6 doesn't equal 17. Not sure about the math where you're from.
Well, let's see.
1. IOC does not insure anybody. The national hockey federations (like USA Hockey) do. They have done so in the past and there's no reason to doubt that they will pay if liable. The contracts are insured with he same pool of insurance companies that the NHL uses, so I don't see why it would make any difference to those insurance companies, whether they pay the same amount of money to the Red Wings on the policy taken by the Wings themselves, or by the Swedish Hockey Federation.
2. I don't know about "US Math" but in normal math, here's how it works:
The last 2 All-Star breaks were 5 days each.
The Olympic break this year consists of: Feb. 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. That's 16 days by my count (not 17). So the difference is 16 - 5 = 11 days. OK it's 11 days and not 9 days over almost 200 days season (Pre-season NHL games started Sept. 14, Playoffs will go till about the end of May). Such a biiig difference.
I do have leisure activities that I am unable to participate in and can be found legally negligent if I participate in them.
If 10 of my best employees said, hey, we're leaving for 3 weeks, but we expect you to still pay us, you will have to close down your business, we expect you to still pay the 10 other employees that will sit and do nothing while we go, we will all have to work extra hours because of it and it will bring your business absolutely no extra money or exposure. Oh and by the way, I'm too sick or hurt to work right now, though I'm still getting paid, but I'm more than okay to go off for 3 weeks and do my job for my pride. There's also a good chance that when I come back I'll be too hurt to work also. But you will still have to pay me. I have been a good employee for 10 years, so I don't owe you anything. But you still have to pay me. Sorry, not going to fly.
Boy, one has to try hard to be wrong on every single point one made.
1. Players get paid X dollars per year, to be available to play 82 games + playoffs. They are, with or without the Olympics So "your 10 best employees"
are NOT paid by the Wings while they play in the Olympics.
2. Their NHL salaries are INSURED for injury by their national hockey federations. So the Wings are NOT on the hook for Zetterberg's salary from now until he comes back from injury.
3. The Olympic break is 9 days longer than the normal All-Star break. Just 9 days over a 160 days season.
They won't care if they aren't playing against the other best players in the league. That's what makes it appealing. Like I said, no NHL players broke contracts or had clauses put into their contracts to play in the Olympics before 1998. It wasn't important and it will again become unimportant.
That was because North American "professionals" were not allowed to play in the Olympics before 1998. So they wouldn't have been allowed to play even if they broke their contracts. It's a whole new game after 1998.
I'm all for not participating in the Olympics, but part of me thinks this is going to be used as a bargaining chip on the part of the NHL. They could probably get some pretty big concessions from the NHLPA.
I think you are right. This is Bettman starting his next CBA "negotiations" early. They (the owners) have done used the Olympic participation as a bargaining chip every time since 1998.
Are they supposed to ? No, but seriously the pictures, water quality and below average standard and we are talking about the best players in the world here they aren't used to that kind of stuff. If a city can't even offer good quality on top of spending 50 million $ they shouldn't get the games period.
The only thing players should have to worry is the competition and nothing else but in Sochi they have a lot of stuff to worry about: attacks, supbar quality of life, safety and water which isn't even drinkable...thats bad standards no matter how you look at it, pathetic.
The water was yellow in one instance that we saw. If you ever moved in a brand new building, there is always dirt in he pipes. It flashes out in a few hours.
Worrying about terrorist attacks? By your logic the Boston Bruins should refuse to ever play at home . Unlike the US, Russia had never had a terrorist attack at a sporting event. Newsflash: terrorism is a global threat. If we go by the historical number of victims, the USA would be in the top 4 right after Iraq, Afganistan, and Syria. Yet the NHL thinks nothing of holding games here.
Quality of life? For the athletes it will be the same as in any Olympics before. The income level/standard of living of the Russian citizens of Sochi will not matter to the athletes at all. The environment around the Olympic events will be fine, the same as anywhere else.
Safety? That's a new one. Even in this nitpicking thread I haven't seen any complaints about safety or crime in Sochi.
Tortarella will get suspended, Hartley didn't do anything wrong here this makes the game entertaining, back in the good ol' days stuff like this happened more often and fans are loving it. Nice to see line brawls are slowly coming back.
Tortas is getting easily pissed off, the same thing happened against the Devils.
While Hartley didn't do anything against the rules, he did not do any favors for the image of hockey. Please tell me, why were they fighting right at the starting faceoff? Nothing has happened in the game yet, to react to. Therefore this was deliberate move on Flames part to start the game with a line brawl. This wasn't an MMA meet or a WWF show. This was supposed to be a hockey game. I have nothing against fighting when it is a reaction to something that the opponents did wrong. Or even when it is done to change the momentum of the game. But staged fights like this one disgust me.
Pick a news station, whether its cnn or fox or msnbc or any other news station that you watch, neither one of them would give credence to such a report which was part of my statement. It would be reported but dismissed as a conspiracy theory even if they cover it 24/7. They would not keep passing it off as fact just another conspiracy theory and the person saying it would get clobbered non-stop. And please In the future if you decide to quote me don't just pick out the statements that suit you, quote the entire post in context.
If that is directed at me, I did quote your post in its entirety, and responded to the part that was a new argument, while the rest was just a stronger restatement of your previous argument.
I said all I wanted to on this issue. I can't add anything useful. See ya around
It wasn't just one and when the main Russian news station keeps repeating it and doesn't discount the comment, it gives it credence wether it's one moron saying it or everyone. And dude I was born there so I have plenty of perspective about what the Russian government or the government controlled media say.
Noone of consequence repeated this rubbish, and nobody takes (or should take) Perviy kanal seriously.
And as you might have guessed from my nick, I am also far from home.