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#2574364 Larionov on NHL/AHL stifling creative play.

Posted by sibiriak on 24 February 2015 - 12:00 PM




In the paragraph above you've basically said, if you don't count the Soviets' best teams and players, and you don't count the advantage they gain from being forced to play together all the time, and you don't count the junior hockey records, then it's clear the Soviet system is much worse.  Which is probably true, but what does that really tell you?

Actually I am saying that we don't have enough information to say which style of play was superior in the 70s and 80s.

There were too few "best vs best" or even "average vs average" matchups between Canadian/NHL and Soviet teams. So I can't draw any evidence-based conclusions. Therefore we are left with personal taste, I enjoyed the CSKA and Soviet National team brand of hockey more than the NA version, but that is just an aesthetic preference  and not a basis for awarding superiority. Just like some men preferring blonds and some preferring brunettes doesn't make one superior to the other.

#2573828 Larionov on NHL/AHL stifling creative play.

Posted by sibiriak on 23 February 2015 - 05:09 PM

Except for maybe 3-4 top lines (20 top players in USSR) on few top Soviet teams, other Soviet players couldn't produce the same artistry on ice, due to lack of overwhelming skill. Yes, the overall style was a bit more E-W in Russia and N-S in NA, but neither proved obviously superior or even more entertaining, IMO.

Igor is simply being nostalgic. I share his fond memories of what top Russian players could do (somewhat helped by the fact that apart from 87 Canada Cup finals, they usually met inferior opponents). I just don't think it is possible to recreate this now without assembling top players on one team and have them play many games together and practice even more. In other words, by recreating the same Red Army system that Larionov, Fetisov and Co. hate so much. :P

#2542740 slava voynov suspended after domestic violence arrest

Posted by sibiriak on 20 October 2014 - 10:00 PM

I am Russian, so I'm sorry to see this happen to one of my countrymen. But I think the NHL handled this fairly. They are putting on an entertainment product, and Voynov's presence would be detrimental to selling their product to the public. So they removed him. It's a no-brainer business decision. He is being paid, so they are fullfilling their contractual obligations to him. If he is proven innocent, he goes back on the ice. If not, his contract gets voided.

Its fair.

#2535342 Expansion draft - how many players can each team protect ?

Posted by sibiriak on 01 September 2014 - 07:10 PM

That's kind of foolish. Once this next CBA is up there will be another lockout it's what the PA wants. There isn't any debating it, cause it's going to happen.

If the NHLPA wanted a work stoppage, they could strike. Lockout is, by definition, owners locking the players out.

Disclaimer: I do not wish to start any discussion of whose fault it was/is/will be. Just a word usage note.

#2535058 Datsyuk or Fedorov?

Posted by sibiriak on 27 August 2014 - 06:15 PM

I saw both play, and regardless of the stats, I can always expect to be wowed by something Pavel will do on the ice. Be it a deke, a pass, a hit avoided, a steal, something. Not so much for Fedorov. He might score 4 points, but they will be somewhat boring, just a guy who is stronger, shoots harder, and skates faster overcoming the inferior competition. Kind of like watching a adult play with kids, almost. :)

#2490900 Legwand to Detroit for Eaves, Jarnkrok + cond 3rd/2nd

Posted by sibiriak on 05 March 2014 - 04:38 PM


Poile doesn't have ties here, a house here...

He probably got Holland's house too in that trade. :ninja:

#2485209 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by sibiriak on 19 February 2014 - 02:30 PM

LMFAO Latvian d man closed the puck on the goal line with his glove and refs waived the goal off.The war room is in Moscow,right :lol:

Sorry, hand on puck is not reviewable. Puck didn't cross the goal line, that's reviewable.

War room location is in Sochi and it is not staffed by Russians but bu IIHF officials that (apparently) have no nationality :P

#2485160 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by sibiriak on 19 February 2014 - 01:42 PM

From the link above...


The failure of the KHL and NHL players on the roster to blend into a cohesive team was clear and apparent. There were rumors in the past few days of tension in the Russian camp, and at the heart of it was the KHL-NHL issue. Why in the world was Alexander Popov playing on the top line with Ovechkin and Malkin the past two games? Why was KHL defenseman Evgeni Medvedev among the leaders in ice time on the team, playing more than NHLers such as Fedor Tyutin and Alexei Emelin?

Why? Because the KHL and Russian hockey hoped to use the world's biggest hockey games as a propaganda tool for the Russian professional league that vies to rival the NHL. Well, that was a complete and utter disaster.


Does anyone believe that the KHL is on a similar level of play than the NHL?


Seems as though those in charge of the Russian Olympic squad have their heads in the sand.

Sorry, but that analysis is utter BS. Medvedev played over Nikulin (KHL), Nikitin (NHL), and Belov (AHL mostly). He was one of the better D-men for Russia. Not great, but then noone on our blue line was even above average. On the 3 Finnish goals today: 1st, Nikitin, NHL Dman got beat like a schoolchild; 2nd, Voynov had a puck bounce over his stick, and didn't have enough speed to recover, so he lost the puck to Garnlund, but his D-partner, the most titled of the Russian D, Markov fell down and left Selanne wide open; what happened to play the pass, not the man on the 2-1???;

3rd PP goal for Finland - Tyutin, our supposedly 2-3rd best D, got blocked out by Granlund and had a best seat watching him score. This was not KHL-NHL problem. Our only effective forward line was Kovy-Datsyuk-Radulov, KHL(sorta)-NHL-KHL. OV-Malkin-Semin didn't work at all, in spite of Malkin's efforts, so coach broke them up, putting Popov on that line so at least somebody would chase the puck and backcheck. As a result, 3rd line of Semin-Anisimov-Kulemin got at least some shots. Perhaps Tarasenko, Nichushkin, Tikhonov with Tereshchenko centering might have gotten some more time, but they weren't standout either.

IMO, the major problems were Ovechkin never finding a place, being unable to change his game from stand-wait-shoot approach. Use your GD speed Alex...

The constant attempts of our D to find  forward with a long stretch pass at other blue line drove me bats***. That never works.

Our PP wasn.t working. If they scored on just 15% of the PP opportunities, they'd be in the semis now.

Other than that, they did just about what i expected. The players we had were the best of a short list, so all the KHL-NHL talk is uniformed. Who was left at home that was better than the ones on the ice for Russia?

#2485130 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by sibiriak on 19 February 2014 - 12:47 PM


Not as ugly as Alexander Radulov's ugly face...zing!

The land that gave birth to Mike Ricci should stay forever silent in any male beauty discussion. :P

#2485114 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by sibiriak on 19 February 2014 - 12:30 PM

Using that logic,you should demote Ovechkin,with only 1 goal and 4.76 SG%.



No argument there :(

#2484198 Official 2014 Olympic Hockey Thread (Admin warning #316)

Posted by sibiriak on 15 February 2014 - 10:25 AM

Both USA goals on penalties by Radulov.  What a team player!

If I were the Russians coach, Radulov sits next game, or at best plays on the 4th line. It's not like he's been effective anyway.


Overall, good game for both teams, Good Luck to USA, we (Russia) can use some more practice in Q-round :)

#2483924 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by sibiriak on 14 February 2014 - 04:16 PM

LOL, if you're going to correct someone for being wrong, at least be right.


The NHL players are insured during the Olympics by the IOC.  Will they pay when the player was already injured.  It'll be interesting to see.


A normal All Star Break is 4 days, five or six at most. The Olympic Break is 17 days.  In US Math, 9+4 or 5 or 6 doesn't equal 17.  Not sure about the math where you're from.


Well, let's see.

1. IOC does not insure anybody. The national hockey federations (like USA Hockey) do. They have done so in the past and there's no reason to doubt that they will pay if liable. The contracts are insured with he same pool of insurance companies that the NHL uses, so I don't see why it would make any difference to those insurance companies, whether they pay the same amount of money to the Red Wings on the policy taken by the Wings themselves, or by the Swedish Hockey Federation.

2. I don't know about "US Math" but in normal math, here's how it works:

The last 2 All-Star breaks were 5 days each.

The Olympic break this year consists of: Feb. 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23,  24. That's 16 days by my count (not 17). So the difference is 16 - 5 = 11 days. OK it's 11 days and not 9 days over almost 200 days season (Pre-season NHL games started Sept. 14, Playoffs will go till about the end of May). Such a biiig difference.

#2483875 Zetterberg out with herniated disc

Posted by sibiriak on 14 February 2014 - 01:43 PM

I do have leisure activities that I am unable to participate in and can be found legally negligent if I participate in them.  


If 10 of my best employees said, hey, we're leaving for 3 weeks, but we expect you to still pay us, you will have to close down your business, we expect you to still pay the 10 other employees that will sit and do nothing while we go, we will all have to work extra hours because of it and it will bring your business absolutely no extra money or exposure.  Oh and by the way, I'm too sick or hurt to work right now, though I'm still getting paid, but I'm more than okay to go off for 3 weeks and do my job for my pride.  There's also a good chance that when I come back I'll be too hurt to work also.  But you will still have to pay me.  I have been a good employee for 10 years, so I don't owe you anything.  But you still have to pay me.  Sorry, not going to fly.

Boy, one has to try hard  to be wrong on every single point one made.

1. Players get paid X dollars per year, to be available to play 82 games + playoffs. They are, with or without the Olympics  So "your 10 best employees"

are NOT paid by the Wings while they play in the Olympics.

2. Their NHL salaries are INSURED for injury by their national hockey federations. So the Wings are NOT on the hook for Zetterberg's salary from now until he comes back from injury.

3. The Olympic break is 9 days longer than the normal All-Star break. Just 9 days over a 160 days season.

So your analogy does not fly. Sorry.

#2483201 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by sibiriak on 10 February 2014 - 02:24 PM

They won't care if they aren't playing against the other best players in the league.  That's what makes it appealing.  Like I said, no NHL players broke contracts or had clauses put into their contracts to play in the Olympics before 1998.  It wasn't important and it will again become unimportant.  

That was because North American "professionals" were not allowed to play in the Olympics before 1998. So they wouldn't have been allowed to play even if they broke their contracts. It's a whole new game after 1998.

I'm all for not participating in the Olympics, but part of me thinks this is going to be used as a bargaining chip on the part of the NHL.  They could probably get some pretty big concessions from the NHLPA.

I think you are right. This is Bettman starting his next CBA "negotiations" early. They (the owners) have done used the Olympic participation as a bargaining chip every time since 1998.

#2481654 NHL may rethink Sochi

Posted by sibiriak on 06 February 2014 - 10:29 AM

I wonder what the Russian women's curling team beds look like, since that's where they'll probably be spending most of their time.

They should be so lucky. That's the Russian curling team captain.