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#2496584 Franzen calls out team

Posted by ben_usmc on 18 March 2014 - 05:47 PM

if one thing has been made clear with these injuries, it's that tatar/nyquist are not players in the mold of datsyuk/zetterberg - they aren't the guys that are going to carry your team.  they're secondary players.

WTF it's their rookie seasons.  Didn't realize Datsyuk/Z could have taken over for Stevie/Feds in 02/03 time frame

#2484812 10 ton elephant in the room.

Posted by ben_usmc on 17 February 2014 - 11:09 PM


Alfredsson is far from useless.  Anytime you can add a player who will help your team, even if it's only going to be for a year or two, you do it.  His signing, and the Weiss contract, aren't the problem.  Weiss's season long groin issues make Weiss a problem, but that's not something you know will happen, and any player might get hurt.


The real problem was that Holland made a bad assumption that he'd be able to trade someone when he signed Cleary.  That led to no roster space or cap room for Nyquist.  I said at the time that I didn't mind CLeary coming back, but the deal shouldn't have been finalized until someone was traded.

There was absolutely no way Cleary was more deserving of a roster spot than anyone else. His resigning was pathetic, and anyone who points out his "playoff warrior" status should take a deeper look at how he accumulated those points. 

#2481653 2/6 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Panthers 1

Posted by ben_usmc on 06 February 2014 - 10:26 AM

I'd rather have Eaves than Andersson in, but our top 9 is going to be lethal

#2481337 Vets over the Kids?, not any more eh Babs.

Posted by ben_usmc on 04 February 2014 - 11:34 PM

Wait, so you guys have problems with the play of Cleary, Samuelsson, and Bertuzzi this season. Got it.  That's been made abundantly clear by a ridiculous amount of posters.


Weiss, though, it is ok for him to play like garbage.  And don't give me he actually played better because he didn't.  Weiss has sucked at least as badly as the rest of the players mentioned this season.  He was terrible.


Weiss had a rough go of it coming off of an injury plagued season.  Yeah, that's true.  None of those other guys were coming off of injury plagued seasons, so that's totally different.


I get it, though.... Weiss gets the benefit of the doubt over those other guys because of all that he has given to the team in previous seasons.  I mean, he contributed to a Stanley Cup victory in Detroit....


Seriously, though, can someone please explain to me this double standard?


Sorry - I know it isn't a Weiss thread.  I agree that the kids are contributing better than the aforementioned veterans have this season, including Stephen Weiss (at least just as much as the others mentioned).

There is no double standard.  Cleary, Samuelsson, and Bertuzzi, have been s***ty for more than just a season, none of them should have been signed, or should have retired.  Weiss has played 26 games with the Wings and some speculating he started the season with the injury. We haven't even seen enough of Weiss to even develop an idea of his game like/hate.   With in the last 4-5 years, Weiss was at one point a go to guy for his team, where Cleary, Samuelsson, and Bertuzzi again should have been off the time for the last few years.  He also is at least 5? years younger than all 3 of the other players and is in his prime years.....  I'm pretty indifferent if he comes back or not considering the kids are great, How can't you see the difference in circumstances?

#2472705 Mike McKee

Posted by ben_usmc on 13 January 2014 - 10:19 AM

he better develop some skills, because as long as Babcock is our coach, this type of player will never be on our team...unfortunately...I for one am rooting for Big Mike to make it to GR after college, then be up within 3 years of that in Detroit...

pretty sure I read an article where Babcock was praising him.  

#2470425 Alexey Marchenko called up

Posted by ben_usmc on 03 January 2014 - 07:05 PM

So why are we hanging onto guys like Smith, and Kindl when we are this deep on D prospects??

dude this is Smiths rookie year, you don't think he deserves some slack?

#2470210 Datsyuk vs. Zetterberg

Posted by ben_usmc on 02 January 2014 - 11:38 AM

It's basically a modern day Stevie Y vs Feds.  Datsyuk has more ability than Z in my opinion.  But Z just has an insane amount of will power and another gear. 

#2465242 Can't remember the last time we were this pathetic

Posted by ben_usmc on 16 December 2013 - 12:24 PM

I don't think Holland is the problem. No one could have foreseen how truly bad Weiss, Samuelsson, Cleary, and Quincey have been. Sammy has had success here and elsewhere. Cleary's success in the playoffs seems to be purely a fluke. Quincey had success everywhere but here. Weiss was Florida's #1 star, yet he's nothing here. IMO those are the glaring problems and they seem to be rooted in the system being a problem or our pro scouts being a problem.

That is buls***! Weiss some complained, but I will grant you nobody thought the signing was this bad.  Sammy, Q, and especially Cleary.  Everyone know they sucked and were terrible choices from the very beginning.  The worst of all being Cleary.  Get rid of those 3, make Bert the player coming off the bench.  Those actions alone will be massive additions by subtractions. 

#2464743 12/14 GDT : Penguins 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by ben_usmc on 15 December 2013 - 04:51 AM

Yes I can't believe they've been scratching Zetterberg, Helm, Howard and Dekeyser lately. Now I hear Abby's getting pulled too?

I love the the way this team will look when healthy.


is my guess at a post- trade deadline lineup without injuries. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but Babcock seems to slowly be getting over his Cleary love affair and Bert will probably play his way out of the lineup by that point. The only question is Weiss but he could possibly be shuffled to the 4th line and Helm on 2nd if he keeps playing like he has been.

Wow what a stupid response.  

#2464669 12/14 GDT : Penguins 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by ben_usmc on 14 December 2013 - 10:41 PM

This season is very depressing.  It's not so much that I believe this team is bad or won't make the playoffs, but I simply just do not like the make up of this team, I dislike some of the players, the attitude, the current lines, and the GM's moves. I hope they start to pull there heads out there asses and actually ice the best team we can. 

#2460295 Hull "Avery doesn't get to talk to Sakic"

Posted by ben_usmc on 03 December 2013 - 09:05 AM

Can't ever hate on Sakic

#2459412 11/29 GDT: Red Wings 5 at Islanders 0

Posted by ben_usmc on 29 November 2013 - 09:51 PM

Hopefully they abuse Ottawa

#2458997 11/27 GDT: Bruins 1 at Red Wings 6

Posted by ben_usmc on 28 November 2013 - 10:23 AM

How I felt watching this game

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#2453798 Cleary in, Tatar out against Caps

Posted by ben_usmc on 15 November 2013 - 02:30 AM

Marsh: Do you know something about big business (NHL) decisions?

Babcock: Oh yes, roster decisions are a big deal -->

Phase 1: Play my bff's despite effort

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: Points?


In all seriousness I think Tatar and Nyquist are showing a lot of class, I am sure some other players would have told their manager to make it clear, that they are open for a trade.

For sure, it's like they have to mind f*** the kids and if they can withstand.Then they are safe for the next 15-30 years. 

#2451503 Tootoo Waived

Posted by ben_usmc on 06 November 2013 - 11:58 PM


All GMs make mistakes. Fortunately, all of the questionable 2012 contracts (sans that of Tootoo, who could be bought out if necessary) will expire this summer, as will that of Cleary.

but how the f*** do you make a mistake an entire fanbase can see before hand?

Sortof off topic but ive been checking out Tomas Jurco n the kid looks insane. Only 2 pts behind Nyquist on the griffins. Anyone have any idea when he'll crack the lineup? Next season?

Jurco was insane last year in the playoffs too.  Dude seriously had the puck following him.


You people would honestly rather have Tootoo on this team than Cleary?

Shows that Babcock and management believed Emmerton and Tootoo were the bottom of the totem and I would agree with them.


Think the forwards will look like this in a few weeks

yes.  Tootoo is a better hockey player than Cleary in every facet of the game. I am well aware of Cleary playing on the PP/PK but he is still just a blackhole of talent.  He makes anyone on his line worse.