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#2578995 3/4 GDT : Rangers 1 at Red Wings 2 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on Yesterday, 04:20 PM

If you guys want some afternoon entertainment, read the butt hurt reaction by Rags fans on the game last night, its the most hilarious thing I have ever seen.

 

http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1848743

 

If you want some afternoon entertainment, read the butt hurt posts on this GDT right up until the Stepan penalty.  *Spoiler Alert* They are almost identical to the Rangers complaining. 

 

We're no different than anybody else.  And if we'd lost that game instead of won it, you can be absolutely sure that the refs would be to blame.  Not the 50,000 times we turned the puck over in the defensive zone, or the fact that we looked like we were skating in mud. 




#2576905 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by derblaueClaus on 01 March 2015 - 08:40 PM

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#2576802 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by rick zombo on 01 March 2015 - 08:02 PM

Jesus Christ. 

 

I have my head up the azz of hockeysfuture.com as much as the next Red Wings fan, and I love my prospects, but this deal was a home run. Wtf are people complaining about? 




#2576794 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by Detroit # 1 Fan on 01 March 2015 - 07:58 PM

So do some of you guys even want to win or what? Kenny gave up 2 prospects who likely were never going to see time in the winged wheel. Cole is 36, have you seen him play? He's not Bertuzzi. He can still skate as well as he ever did, and plays a physical power game.




#2576748 Red Wings acquire Erik Cole, conditional 3rd from Stars

Posted by WingsAlways on 01 March 2015 - 07:44 PM

Some people are impossible to please, you think each and every prospect is going to be future top-6, wrong. We just got bigger, try and appreciate that. 




#2575623 2/26 GDT : Red Wings 3 at San Jose Sharks 2

Posted by kipwinger on 27 February 2015 - 02:03 PM

I can agree with that. I meant that the overall number doesn't matter when you're just judging a call on an individual basis. If it's a s***ty call it's a s***ty call so to speak, whether there's 4 in a game or 8. Saying that the Wings are benefitting more from bad calls this year I'd say is accurate. Don't know why it is, the style of game they play?

 

And I don't mind calling a spade a spade.  A bad call IS a bad call, no matter who it's for or against.  What irritates me is this persistent need to bellyache when a call goes against us, as if none have ever gone in our favor. 

 

As far as why we get calls?  I don't know.  However, I'd venture to guess it's partially because A) we're good, and bad teams (or teams playing badly) tend to take more penalties, and B) we're historically very disciplined (so we get the benefit of the doubt). 




#2575609 2/26 GDT : Red Wings 3 at San Jose Sharks 2

Posted by kipwinger on 27 February 2015 - 01:15 PM

 

Only difference is that we have legitimate gripes against the officiating, whereas most other fans can only regurgitate the "subtle interferencceeee!!!!" nonsense they memorized from Edzo. 

 

I literally LOL'd when I saw them complaining that the Wings dive, not recognizing that their own team makes Olympic divers jealous. 

 

We don't have legitimate gripes about the officiating.  That's the problem.  We're consistently one of the LEAST PENALIZED teams in the league.  AND we're consistently GIVEN THE MOST POWERPLAYS. 

 

Very few, if any, teams go to the box less, or go on the man advantage more.  Them's the facts.  I'd give the theory some credence if we never got a powerplay, or if we were always in the box.  But neither of those things are true. 

 

But for whatever reason our fans have internalized this belief that everybody is out to get them.  Bettman hates us.  The refs are throwing games.  The media doesn't recognize our star players. 

 

It's all bologna.  SUPER, duper, annoying bologna. 




#2573629 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by kipwinger on 22 February 2015 - 08:21 PM

I'm not sure why we're having this debate again.  History has shown that being evermore violent in response to things we don't like ALWAYS works out well.  Absolutely tons and tons of examples when punching people has effectively helped folks achieve their objectives.  That has got to be the most idiotic thing a person can think. 

 

By comparison it makes GMRwings' "I like fighting because it's entertaining" argument both honest, and sensible. 

 

Can all the fighting people just use that argument?  That way we don't have to keep restating how intellectually bankrupt this "fighting deters rats" argument is.

 

I'll even help.  "For as long as I can remember, I (state your name here), have enjoyed fighting in hockey.  I find it entertaining and exciting.  As such, I am willing to tolerate the short and long term health risks that come along with it and believe players who engage in the sport should too."

 

At least then your position won't be so demonstrably invalided and your justifications so blatantly post hoc.




#2572685 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by number9 on 20 February 2015 - 07:02 PM

To me this is exactly the problem.  Holland appears to be briliant because a few of the talking heads identify that "this is the year the Wings don't make the play offs" and his teams continue to make the playoffs. 
 
That said he builds the best teams and better than anybody else that relies virtually entirely on the draft.  He builds a skilled, determined team with guys that have character.  Holland has always gotten the most of the draft.  But just making the playoffs every year is bad when it becomes obvious that your team is not built for the playoffs & when you autopsy the season and look at everything the forwards have to do defensively because the D us under served it is not favorable.  This is where we are at.  FA's think we are too far away so guys that Holland is willing to overpay a bit go to Washington; or they take less than Holland was going to pay to go to pitsburg or with the exception of Danny who is from the area and played with Nill's kid and was brought to the Joe his whole adult life to meet Nick & walk through the dressing room they choose to go to Edmonton (Shultz, whome the Wings wanted).... when  your number 2 D (is number 2), and you don't address this players take note.  When you are unsuccessful in over 6 years to bring in a guy to help the team & to steward the tallented guys coming up it is a failure. 
 
Who cares about making the playoffs every year if it handcufs your ability to assume risk where it is meaningful.  Legwand was not meaningful.  I don't see anything meaningful this year & I don't hold him accountable for that.  What I hold him accountable for is failing 6 years in a row to supliment his skilled drafting and player development. 


Guess you missed the memo about retooling instead of a rebuild. And the retool finally seems to paying off.


#2571905 2/18 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Blackhawks 2 (SO. Yes, SO!).

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 18 February 2015 - 08:36 PM

I'm of the opinion that a full rebuild is entirely unnecessary and isn't going to happen, There are transitions happening, a lot of younger players are coming up, a lot of our older players are going to start phasing out, there isn't a reason, nor will they ever just start throwing games to lose for the sake of getting a better pick, to go full Buffalo or Edmonton and have 4-5 seasons of pointless misery when there are only minor issues to address. 

 

Would I rather deal with the fact for a season or two that we aren't the top end elite team of seasons past and face a potential early elimination from playoffs over having a terrible string of seasons and getting a higher draft pick that may or may not turn out to be of value to us in 4 years? Yes, absolutely.

 

Again my opinion, and my viewpoint as a fan that has no control over how the team is run anyway.




#2571708 Does Kenny Hate Mickey?

Posted by T.Low on 18 February 2015 - 12:59 PM

I get it, it's sacrilege to say anything bad about the best announcer EVAR!!!! because he's been in the booth forever.  That doesn't change the fact that by the third period he sounds like you're sitting next to him in a bar.  He's not as good as he used to be, and a lot of times he seems to fall into complaining about the refs and weak penalties, chuckling when the Wings get away with something he'd yell at the refs for, dropping a catch phrase, complaining about broken sticks, and waxing nostalgic about the good old days when you showed respect for another guy by "feeding him some lumber" when he was going to hit you.  He's better between periods, but during the game I think he's slipping.  If you disagree, or want to just say "It's Mickey and he's awesome and if you don't like it go piss up a rope," fine.
 
BTW, Madden was bad his last couple years, and Pat Summerall was the boozer in that duo.

I get it, it's sacrilege to say anything bad about the best announcer EVAR!!!! because he's been in the booth forever.  That doesn't change the fact that by the third period he sounds like you're sitting next to him in a bar.  He's not as good as he used to be, and a lot of times he seems to fall into complaining about the refs and weak penalties, chuckling when the Wings get away with something he'd yell at the refs for, dropping a catch phrase, complaining about broken sticks, and waxing nostalgic about the good old days when you showed respect for another guy by "feeding him some lumber" when he was going to hit you.  He's better between periods, but during the game I think he's slipping.  If you disagree, or want to just say "It's Mickey and he's awesome and if you don't like it go piss up a rope," fine.
 
BTW, Madden was bad his last couple years, and Pat Summerall was the boozer in that duo.




I actually have real reasons from my own observations that result in my favorable opinion of Mickey Redmond. A few of them are precisely the reasons you dislike him. You and I simply have different perspectives and want different experiences

I totally agree that it's like watching a game with him in a bar and I very much enjoy that aspect of his persona. It's genuine, down home, as if you are sitting watching a game like he's your uncle that actually skated in the nhl.

I like the way he comments on penalties, especially compared to other teams color guys. Mickey will often point out that our opponent "Gets two minutes for playing hockey, but we'll take it", whereas other guys take the Homer road and make it sound like it was the most egregious penalty ever as they watch a replay that shows a ghost infraction. I always feel insulted as a viewer when Panger or anyone does that.

Mickey is still sharp as a tack when it comes to pointing out things at game speed that I have missed. One example: Countless times he points out a deflection on the goal that I missed, then sure enough you see it on the replay. However, when I watch other teams play I'm dumbfounded at how often they credit the point shot with the goal when the deflection was plain as day and the camera is on the deflector getting congratulated, not the shooter. Then they show the replay and they're surprised as can be at the obvious: "OH!!! It was DEFLECTED". Sigh. Roll eyes.

And Mickey tends to point out things that only an nhl player knows, where other "more professional" guys tend to point out things that are obvious to the hockey fan, as if their broadcast is geared toward a least common denominator viewer demographic or something.

I enjoy his anecdotal ramblings. For example, Abby being a Muskegon boy. His father Joe Abdelkader always paces back and forth in the living room when the game is on. " You can sit down now, Joe, Justin scored a goal."

Believe me, I could go on about how he greatly enhances my Red Wings viewing experience.


#2567128 Franzen on IR

Posted by kipwinger on 30 January 2015 - 11:23 AM

Andersson is a scrub. I place him slightly above Nestrasil, only because he's a decent penalty killer. I fully expect him to be the odd man out next season, either playing in Grand Rapids or with another club. No big loss. To say he has more value than Franzen is laughable. You can hate on Franzen all you want, it doesn't change the fact that, when healthy he can contribute on any given night. Is he streaky? Absolutely. But that's part of the package. I don't believe we need him to win games, and I would welcome a trade, but he is in no way, a player we NEED to get rid of...

 

Holland waives Nestrasil to make room for the better player, Jurco, and people ***** because we lose an "asset". If Holland were to send Jurco down and keep Nestrasil on the team, people would ***** that he is not icing his best players... Holland just can't win with some fans... Oh well...

 

I bitched about the Tootoo, Sammy, Cleary, Quincey, etc. signings, trades, and re-signs.  I was convinced that Holland was past it and didn't have any fresh ideas.  Apparently he knew a little bit more than I did just how good his prospects were.  Now our team is pretty legit.  And we're certainly positioned to be VERY good in the next couple of years. 

 

So I've got to admit I was 100% wrong about Holland.  At this point, when it comes to building a team, developing players, or acquiring talent, I'm going to defer to the guy who's got four Stanley Cup rings sitting on his mantle. 




#2567126 Franzen on IR

Posted by krsmith17 on 30 January 2015 - 11:04 AM

Andersson is a scrub. I place him slightly above Nestrasil, only because he's a decent penalty killer. I fully expect him to be the odd man out next season, either playing in Grand Rapids or with another club. No big loss. To say he has more value than Franzen is laughable. You can hate on Franzen all you want, it doesn't change the fact that, when healthy he can contribute on any given night. Is he streaky? Absolutely. But that's part of the package. I don't believe we need him to win games, and I would welcome a trade, but he is in no way, a player we NEED to get rid of...

 

Holland waives Nestrasil to make room for the better player, Jurco, and people ***** because we lose an "asset". If Holland were to send Jurco down and keep Nestrasil on the team, people would ***** that he is not icing his best players... Holland just can't win with some fans... Oh well...




#2569363 Babcock: "HE WINS, FULL STOP" - THN

Posted by krsmith17 on 08 February 2015 - 09:08 AM

Give it a rest Frank. You're only saying that so, what? If he doesn't sign you can say, "well, unfortunately I was right", and if he does sign here, you can be "pleasantly surprised"...

 

Babcock is not going anywhere. Why would he? There are about 100 more reasons for him to stay than there would be for him to leave...

 

This is an up and coming team that is only going to get much much better over the next few seasons. He knows this. Why wouldn't he want the opportunity to coach two completely different Red Wings teams to Stanley Cups? He loves coaching these kids. Like, zombo said, he already coaches the best player in the league, Pavel mother f***ing Datsyuk. Both Pav and Hank are still basically point per game players, Nyquist and Tatar should both hit 60 points this season, and only improve on that in years to come.

 

The Red Wings as an organization is the best in the National Hockey League, hands down, the best owner, the best GM and the best coach.

 

The Wings were expected to finally miss the playoffs this season, and they're quite possibly going to win the East and have a good shot at winning the President's Trophy. But yeah, no chance he wins the Jack Adams...

 

I'll say it again, Babcock has a legit shot at winning the Adams, and he absolutely, 100% will re-sign after this season.




#2569127 Babcock: "HE WINS, FULL STOP" - THN

Posted by Dominator2005 on 07 February 2015 - 07:29 PM

Best coach in the NHL period.