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#2574922 2/26 GDT : Red Wings 3 at San Jose Sharks 2

Posted by Hockeytown0001 on 26 February 2015 - 01:30 AM

Pretty amazing, Mikey.  You can go flex in a mirror and say, "Yeah, I'm that awesome."  Well, you could, but I doubt it's your style.


Score early and often, Wings.


#2574911 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by RedWingsRox on 25 February 2015 - 10:32 PM

I'm apalled that there is no discipline by NHL.  Aren't they already being sued by ex players for concussion issues and head injuries?  This kind is not even 'hockey play' and need to seriously get this sh*t out of the game.  

#2574388 How is the Wings' Pro Scouting?

Posted by rick zombo on 24 February 2015 - 01:26 PM

Well, Maltby scored 50 goals in Jr...................

#2574327 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by kipwinger on 24 February 2015 - 10:12 AM

I agree that fighting is harmful in that it can leave a player with long-term issues related to concussions, brain trauma, etc. If that's your only argument, fine.

But to say a genuine fight doesn't impact a hockey game is silly. That's like saying a big hit or shot block doesn't affect the momentum of a game either. Or the crowd even. There are too many variables and differing scenarios that a scientific study won't be able to capture this.

Also, chemistry and camaraderie are vital to any hockey club. Sticking up for your linemate after a dirty hit is part of being a good teammate. You don't want think stuff like that brings a team closer together?


The research shows that after a fight there IS an offensive surge.  For one, or both teams, and not necessarily for the team that starts, or wins, the fight.  Both teams get amped up.  I never said guys didn't get amped up after fights.  Sure they do.  But it doesn't reliably make your team play any better, AND it might actually make the other guys play better.  


Secondly, I certainly agree that chemistry and comraderie are important.  But there are tons of ways to develop chemistry and comraderie.  The Wings are always near the bottom of the league in fights, but don't seem to noticeably suffer from a lack of team cohesion, while a team like Edmonton (which fights much more often) does.  Given how many other methods there are to accomplish team unity, and given that fighting doesn't seem vital to achieving it, I'm going to err on the side of caution and suggest we dispense with the method that kills people's brains slowly. 

#2573890 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by kipwinger on 23 February 2015 - 10:01 PM


Fighting doesn't have any impact on the sport? March 26, 1997 called to disagree.


"This is a game that brought the Red Wings together," said Vernon, who picked up his 300th career win. "Whether it was the first-period fighting or the overtime goal, a game like this only helps give you confidence to go into the playoffs. When you go to the playoffs, everybody has to be ready to do the job and stay together. Tonight showed the guys were willing to pay the price."



"Certainly, I think that was the turning point as far as the Red Wings' success went. Up until that point, the Red Wings were close, but never tasted victory, and by that I mean Stanley Cup victory."



"After postseason heartbreaks in 1994, '95 and '96, the Red Wings finally developed a swagger on March 26, 1997, one that would carry them to three championships in six seasons."



Well as interesting as a bunch of anecdotal evidence is, actual scientific research suggests that fighting has no positive effect on the outcome of the game.  The ol' eyeball test is good for finding a date on a Friday night, but if you want to find the truth about real world phenomena...you have to use science.  Bummer. 




"We can see in all four of these data sets that there is no evidence that winning a fight leads to better results in the immediate aftermath of the fight. In fact, it appears that the team winning the fight will score slightly less goals in the game than they did previously. In all four groups, the percentage of goals scored by the winning team is within 1.96 standard deviations of the percentage of its total goals scored, indicating that the results are negligible. Thus, we cannot reject the null hypothesis that winning a fight has no impact on a team’s momentum and goal differential."





So, I guess, our overall conclusion from this study isn't completely certain. We wind up with a summary like:

1. The effect doesn't seem to exist for run-of-the-mill fights.
2. When a goon fighter on a goon team fights when his team is down, it seems to benefit that team by 1/8 of a goal, or a bit less than a normal power play.
3. But, that effect isn't statistically significant, so we have some doubts that it's real.
4. And, with only 364 such datapoints qualifying out of around 5,000, only a small percentage of fights match the criterion for that kind of boost.

If you had to reduce that to one line, it might be: At best, there might be a small effect in certain specific circumstances ... but much, much less than sportscasters make it out to be.

#2573760 Larionov on NHL/AHL stifling creative play.

Posted by evilmrt on 23 February 2015 - 01:38 PM

Great article. No idea what stick crawled up the behind of the poster above me.


Take a look at this clip which accompanies the article:




If you watch video of us back then, it barely resembles the way the NHL is played today. It’s more similar to how Barcelona play soccer. Our philosophy was about puck control, improvisation, and constant movement. Now, the game is all about “north-south,” chip-and-chase. We moved side-to-side and swooped around the ice looking for open spaces. A backward pass was just as good as a forward pass. You didn’t have to see your linemate. You could smell him. Honestly, we probably could have played blind. 


I miss the 90s when the Wings played like that on a regular basis. What a beautiful thing it was. 

#2573742 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by kipwinger on 23 February 2015 - 01:00 PM

I do not believe this has happened in any other sport with success. You still have guys blasting qbs and wrs. Still have people stomping on guys. Also mind you this is hardly an easy thing to make happen the nhlpa would certainly be against it. I do not believe that fines can be made substantial enough for there to be a noticeable decrease in dirty hits.

I like fighting because I like to see people stand up for themselves.


This is exactly the problem with this debate.  The fighting people ways respond with "well fines won't get rid of cheap shots 100%".  Of course they won't.  But it'll work better than enforcers have.  Every single contact sport has fewer malicious hits and cheapshots than the NHL has because they have stiffer fines. 


Don't believe me?  What was the big dirty hit epidemic the NFL used to have?  Spearing.  You almost never see it in NFL games anymore.  Why?  What got rid of it?  Definitely not a bunch of goons beating the s*** out of each other.  It was fines.  BIG fines. 


You guys act like if another method of punishment won't completely eradicate dirty hits, that it's not worth doing.  That's false logic.  The fact that it's not a PERFECT deterrent doesn't mean it's not a BETTER deterrent. 

#2573725 Larionov on NHL/AHL stifling creative play.

Posted by Ekmanc on 23 February 2015 - 11:48 AM

Interesting article by the professor!


#2573607 Do Maple Leaf fans deserve better?

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 22 February 2015 - 07:06 PM

@TheHockeyNews: THN's @Proteautype writes on Morgan Riellys mistake, casual misogyny and the empty idea of The Outrage Police: http://t.co/pvjiyGQNU7

#2573557 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by The Greek on 22 February 2015 - 02:31 PM

Nope Benn should have had to answer for that in Maguire style. Nothing will come out off this if people are expecting pay-back it has to be done on ice if only guys who can do that were available ... oh wait they are it just takes a phone call to Toronto or Calgary.Running to the league like ******* won't teach other teams a lesson, saying enough is enough will do so. I.e Isles Pens 2 years ago

You're right, and that's the problem. If this was any other sports league, it would be a much bigger deal. Even if you like fighting, it should not be an institutionalized form of punishment. Even if someone did fight Benn, there's no guarantee Benn would get what he deserves. Benn is pretty damn tough. You're basically arguing that we must risk injury to another player in order to enforce the rules. Furthermore, in your ideal system, the best fighters are above the rules, because no one can "punish" them.

#2573533 Zetterberg leaves after 2nd Period; "upper body injury"

Posted by puckloo39 on 22 February 2015 - 11:15 AM

Benn should be suspended for at least 5 games.  He's the 'example' and leader as Stars' Captain.  Zetterberg is a CAPTAIN and acts like it. 


In my opinion, Benn should lose the "C" on his sweater for this.  But it's the NHL, and only my opinion.  So that won't happen.


Hope Z is OK, and we can move on, for sure.


I was talking in general. Him having a concussion is'nt something I think is good. I just like not having him in the lineup, for reasons that have been beat to death on these boards.


It's OK.  I knew what you meant. I expect most here did.  Z is more 'valuable' in terms of heart and leadership, not that Mule isn't great to have on the ice, if and when he's able. 

#2573494 Nashville Predators to Host Alumni Game vs. Detroit Red Wings

Posted by Salviaman on 22 February 2015 - 01:14 AM

This is awesome! Got tickets last month arms length from the glass. It's gonna be fun to watch the Professor with the puck again!!

#2572887 Pavel Datsyuk demos Shooter Tutor

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 21 February 2015 - 04:08 PM

I'd rather have him demo a shooter tutor than a tooter shooter...

#2572682 Do Maple Leaf fans deserve better?

Posted by number9 on 20 February 2015 - 06:38 PM

My dog just maple leafed all over my kitchen floor

#2572674 Do Maple Leaf fans deserve better?

Posted by jimmyemeryhunter on 20 February 2015 - 05:33 PM

From now on when people aren't working hard enough or aren't tough enough I'll refer to them as Maple Leafs.

My niece is throwing a temper tantrum, I told her to stop throwing a maple leaf.
Let's get this around, anything bad just call it a maple leaf.

Car breaks down, it pulled a maple leaf.
Person you don't like, they're a real maple leaf.

It'll be awesome if it gains traction and gets around to Toronto fans, I just wanna see them throwing fits about it.