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#2550800 Smith and Ericcsson?

Posted by kipwinger on 21 November 2014 - 03:27 PM

It's already happening.  The salary cap and the influx of European players was the death knell of fighting in hockey.  It's just taking a while for it to work its way out.  More than fines, suspensions, etc., the thing most necessary to get rid of fighting in hockey was a change in the "fighting culture".  By which I mean, a change in attitude away from fighting from the people that are in a position to do something about it. 


The salary cap and Euros already have accomplished that.  More and more first rate players aren't fighting because they're European, and beyond that, they can't be goaded into fighting either.  Add to that the fact that because there's a salary cap each dollar and roster spot is more valuable than ever so GM's and coaches aren't willing to give a spot (or a paycheck) to a fighter who has fewer opportunities to fight, and generally a smaller skill set. 


If you're like me, and you want fighting gone, just wait a while.  It's an inevitability.  Nothing else needs to be done to make it happen.

#2550555 11/20 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Jets 3

Posted by Wing-in-avs-town on 20 November 2014 - 09:37 PM

LGWs is such an emotional roller coaster.

That's why we"re here  :)

#2550317 Smith and Ericcsson?

Posted by Echolalia on 20 November 2014 - 05:47 PM


Maybe Foligno said something about Smith's mother.  Maybe something happened earlier in the game between those two.  Who knows why they fought.  There are plenty of fights during games that are blowouts, and it always takes two to tango. Smith didn't do anything selfish by fighting.  Selfish would be a retaliatory penalty that costs the team a powerplay goal.  Smith wasn't thinking about getting potentially injured, nor should he, so I wouldn't call it a selfish decision because he got hurt.  It just happened.  


This I disagree with.

There was nothing the team could have gained by Smith getting into the fight  The game was already comfortably under control in the Wings' favor.  Smith, on the other hand, could have repaired his own damaged ego (or his mother's if that's the case), or seeked retribution for a hit he didn't like, but those are personal reasons to fight that have nothing to do with the team's odds for victory.  So in this case, the only one who's getting any potential benefit out of this is Smith, and its an entirely emotional benefit.

As for risk, well there is always a risk of injury when getting into a fight, and everyone should weigh that risk against the potential benefit when choosing to partake.  There is also the guarantee that your team will have to play without you for the next five minutes, which is a more serious situation when the fighter is a defensman, becuase there's only six of those total to begin with.  If you're one of the folks who believe that fights can be a rallying point to boost team morale and get everyone more engaged in the game, then there's also the risk of firing the other team up, and potentialy losing a game that your team was winning.  So in terms of risk, Smith is risking his health, he's risking his team losing control over the game, he's putting Babcock and his teammates in a tougher spot because they have to pick up his slack while he sits in the box, and if he happens to get injured in the fight (which he happened to get injured), then Babcock and his teammates are in a tougher spot for the next several days, instead of just five minutes.

So lots of risk and disadvantages that the whole team has to carry, so Smith can resolve a personal vendetta that he has in the waning minutes of a game.  I'd say that's quite selfish.

#2550246 11/20 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Jets 3

Posted by UpstateNYRedWingsFan on 20 November 2014 - 03:24 PM

Wings are too streaky. Win one, lose one. I don't think they'll win tonight. Datsyuk being out again is concerning. Really looks like he'll be in and out of the line up for the remainder of his career.


I feel like that's the opposite of streaky.

#2549534 11/16 GDT : Montreal Canadiens 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by number9 on 17 November 2014 - 11:27 AM

I've said it last season and I'll say it again..the Habs are carried by an elite goalie known as Price. I highly doubt they'll make it far come real season time. Other than Prust - their by far most likable player - they're soft, small and not a hardworking group at all.

Plus they got that rat Subban

#2549315 11/16 GDT : Montreal Canadiens 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by Euro_Twins on 16 November 2014 - 07:51 PM

Let's just say I grew up with a lot of "tough guys" who made it their life's mission that I be able to hold my own :lol:

I hold my own beer, my own pizza, my own remote, so I know what it's like to hold my own too.

#2549236 11/16 GDT : Montreal Canadiens 4 at Red Wings 1

Posted by puckloo39 on 16 November 2014 - 05:09 PM

Football sucks.. Red Wings hockey game is billions of times better.  Original Six match up, to boot... I fail to understand this situation.

#2549192 Malkin hit on Girardi

Posted by nawein on 16 November 2014 - 12:18 PM

I don't mind the scuffle at all....who cares of it's dirty or clean?  You don't want your players getting drilled like that.  If Crosby got lit up like that on a perfectly clean hit, if there is no response, then I can easily write that team off as having no chance of success.

This is hockey. Your guys are going to get rocked every once in a while. Get over it. Not every hit needs or should get retribution.

#2549108 General discussion for tonight's games

Posted by BottleOfSmoke on 15 November 2014 - 11:58 AM

So we can't discuss the merits of your answer now if we don't like it? I thought that's what this forum was for? I hate the don't like it don't read it argument. I read every post on the forum, how am I supposed to know what I agree with before reading it? Similarly then, pm people if you don't want people to refute your arguments

This. FFS, frank. Just as you have the right to post your opinion throughout the course of discussion, others here have the right to comment on, question, or otherwise dispute the validity of your statements. In the real world, when we say things, there are repercussions to those statements. You don't live in a bubble, and this website is not your personal diary. So just as you seem to have adopted a "don't like it don't read it" policy (which has been pointed out as asinine as you don't know if you like it until you read it), I would argue that if you don't like your views commented on, don't post them on a public forum where the sole purpose is discussion.

#2548802 General discussion for tonight's games

Posted by kipwinger on 14 November 2014 - 11:09 AM

Are you implying that Subban is more deserving of a "head cleaning" than Lucic? I'd love to hear the rational behind that.


NO!  No you wouldn't.  No way.  Take it back right now.  Seriously. 

#2548663 Las Vegas rumored to get an expansion team

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 November 2014 - 02:58 PM

I like the idea of the Panthers just moving there.  Why have an expansion, when you have a franchise that is struggling to stay afloat?


I like the idea of Las Vegas having a team, but if they continued to struggle, they would have more "fans" in the concourse playing the slots and watching TV monitors, than actually sitting in the arena.

#2548462 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by Euro_Twins on 10 November 2014 - 06:03 AM

Interestingly, Babcock said post-game that rookie video coach Andrew Brewer tells him who to pick for the shootout

Fire him now

#2548120 11/9 GDT - Tampa Bay 4 at Detroit 3 (SO) - 6:00 PM EST

Posted by joesuffP on 09 November 2014 - 03:25 PM

In a thread full of predicted losses I'd have never thought you'd be the one predicting a win  :lol:
Gonna have to dig deep, but I think they could pull it off. Howie needs to have a strong game. Having Quincey back will be huge. Cleary with the game winner just to make LGW explode.

I never predict a loss. Tampa has won five straight coming off a big win last night and quick turnaround to Detroit. This could be a let down game for them. We've seen the wings play great hockey agaimst elite teams I believe they can beat anybody.

#2548098 Brendan Shanahan: a letter to my younger self

Posted by Playmaker on 09 November 2014 - 11:57 AM

Wonder if his younger self told his older self to boink a team mates wife

#2546012 Halloween pic!

Posted by Euro_Twins on 02 November 2014 - 08:48 AM

I wanna know how all ya'll know what piss tastes like??????????????

Well I was stranded on a boat in the middle of the ocean this one time, I had no food or water.... Turned out I was only a mile away from the dock...