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Posted by martyrme19 on 12 June 2012 - 05:59 PM
Posted by martyrme19 on 12 October 2011 - 10:20 PM
I do not disagree with the aforementioned argument that it intangibly affects the game. Obviously, it does do that. Yes, it is a part of the game and I feel that this is well incorporated in my previous post. There are also many other parts of the game that one could easily argue are bigger parts... skating, passing, shooting, hitting, defence, goaltending... or others more along the lines of fighting - roughing, cross-checking, or even face washes, etc.
My issue, which I feel was stated clearly, was with your statement that fighting "is the game." That was a false and ridiculously eggagerated statement. I find it humorous how hypocritical it is of you to accuse me of not listening.... and to say that I am dead wrong.
You love fighting in hockey and think that it is a quintessential part of the game. I enjoy fighting in certain circumstances and feel that it adds to the game in those circumstances, but there are also times when I feel that it takes away from the game. I think that is a correct assessment of our disagreement.... but fighting isn't hockey. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. You are overstating its importance by a long shot, in my opinion.
Posted by martyrme19 on 10 October 2011 - 10:10 PM
Man, I never realized there were that many neuro-surgeons and psychologists in here.
That's absolutely amazing!
Opinions and assholes, and the other way around.
Are you really filled with that much belief in yourselves, that you think your uneducated guess bears any weight? Really?
Not one of us knows what caused what effect, or if the effect is the cause, so maybe we should stop with the wild guessing-games?
Sometime we might have a clear-cut answer as to what led to these untimely deaths, but it sure as hell won't spring from
a thread on a message board.
Really, you and I know nothing of what the cause is. So what's the argument?
It's all guesses, from people with little to no insight.
None of us KNOW s*** about it.
Leave it to those who actually know what to look for, and know how to interpret the facts.
You know, doctors, professors, etc.
You know, the people with all of the tools none of us have... You know, EXPERTS.
With Machines and s***!
Sweet Jesus on his Tyranosaurus.
You know nothing. As do I.
At least stop arguing a point for which you have NO proof.
Posted by martyrme19 on 10 October 2011 - 08:56 PM
I don't know, I just don't think it's a huge coincidence that we lost 3 young hockey players in a couple months, and they all had a similar role and shared a certain play style.
Enforcers seems to have an affinity for these lifestyles more than other hockey players.
No. It isn't. The '20 minutes of game time where the puck is in play' (per period) is the game.
And yes, we all realize that fighting has been around in hockey for a long time. That's why I have to hear my dad give me the old 'I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out' joke every time I bring the game up. Fighting is fewer and farther between than it used to be, and while I do not think that fighting should be disposed of from hockey or anything like that.... but I do think that the changes we've seen as far as fighting goes is for the better.
I enjoy a good fight when it IS part of the game. I enjoyed the Wings in the 90s as much as anyone else. I loved Shanahan and McCarty, but they were hockey players who could fight. I do not like players who fight just to fight for no real reason and that is basically their sole purpose - guys who wouldn't be playing otherwise.... fighters who play hockey. If you seriously think fighting IS the game - go watch UFC or something.
Posted by martyrme19 on 09 October 2011 - 05:30 PM
Not to me, I'd rather not see players die young and would rather see the game of hockey played with skill and toughness that is tied to the actual game and not just punches.
Posted by martyrme19 on 07 October 2011 - 09:15 PM
Posted by martyrme19 on 05 October 2011 - 12:38 PM
Posted by martyrme19 on 04 September 2011 - 06:00 PM
If they want to support charities with their money, more power to them. Some are ones I don't support; some are ones I do. Some are ones I've never heard of.
Either way, it's their money.
The company, on the other hand, uses high-pressure tactics and breaks its people down to get money from them.
To give you an example of what I'm talking about, let me tell you about a conversation between my former roommate and her mother, who was generally a very normal person.
I had asked her about the "system" she was following. I knew it was making her miserable and costing her money that she didn't have. She got upset (and she's usually calm and level-headed) and said she wasn't allowed to talk about it. Only her father and brother-in-law could.
So her father and mother came over- dad in a suit and tie, mom in a dress, and my roommate changed into a nice blouse and skirt. She had been cleaning all day. I felt underdressed, but I sat through the meeting. I was scared away by the pressure, but said I'd think about it because her dad just wouldn't take no for an answer.
Then her mother took her upstairs and ripped her a new ******* because she had ruined everything by not following the system. Their family would be in financial ruin because of her because she didn't follow the system. Her sister, who was her parents' sponsor would be angry with the parents for not getting me on board, and it was her fault for not following the system.
My roommate was crying and asking what she did wrong. Her mother was upset because she had worn a blouse and skirt, but the program called for a dress. The whole thing was her fault.
Later I tried to tell her that I had figured out why the system wouldn't work mathematically (which is the same reason a pyramid scheme wouldn't) and she told me I was not allowed to talk about anything from the meeting to her or anyone else or it would ruin her system and she would not be successful, nor would her family.
These were normal people, but they had been completely brainwashed.
When I hear Amway, I get a knot in my stomach and I get so angry I could just scream, even though this was almost 20 years ago.
This is why I don't want the Wings associated with them, especially not as a presenting sponsor.
As a regular sponsor, you just have your name on the boards or in the program or something. This is a full-blown commitment. The public statement said that the two have similar values (or goals, or whatever), which ties them together in ways I am not comfortable with.
Obviously I'm not going to renounce my fanship, but I am just not comfortable with this arrangement at all.
Posted by martyrme19 on 04 September 2011 - 05:44 PM
Posted by martyrme19 on 04 September 2011 - 03:39 PM
THIS is exactly the point.
People aren't upset about corporate sponsorship, as that was inevitable. People are upset because its Amway. Amway is a shadyf****** pyramid scheme. They are scumbags that prey on the vulnerable.
And to the guy who keeps saying the Amway helped out their local community. So what? I know its an extreme example, but so did Pablo Escobar. He was considered a saint in his community and helped everyone out, built up neighborhoods, built schools, etc. But in the bigger scheme of things, he was a total monster. Much like Amway.
That I could tolerate more than those idiots trying to pull a Ponzi scheme.
And I don't care if it doesn't pay the bills by calling it Howe Arena. At least we could hold our heads high doing so. Anything else, and I'd want to hide in shame.
Posted by martyrme19 on 04 September 2011 - 03:08 PM
A good watch about our proud new sponsor.
Posted by martyrme19 on 02 September 2011 - 05:27 PM
Please remember, everyone, to keep this thread on topic about Amway's sponsorship of the Detroit Red Wings.
If you want to discuss the political ideologies of Amway's founders, or anyone else for that matter, feel free to do so in the Political Discussion subforum.
Posted by martyrme19 on 02 September 2011 - 12:57 AM
Posted by martyrme19 on 16 August 2011 - 10:16 PM