NomadFromKazoo

No we have to many teams that can't pull their own weight aka.Coyotes.

That's the problem, not the availability of talent, the availability of viable sites.  They can't compete and they're driving the Cap down because they don't generate the revenue to compete.

my first language is french I have been speaking english for 15 years the only reason the spelling is bad is because iam using an Iphone to type all of this. I asked this question because people keep telling me that this was the worst signing the redwings have done just wanted to know what you guys think of this.

And what makes you want to listen to these people on this particular topic?  It's a bad signing...if you're a fan of another team.

The question was will he get in.  I voted no because there is zero percent chance that he will.

But he totally deserves to be in the hall.  The people calling him a "role" player are way underselling what he accomplished.  He altered game plans for years of every team we faced.  He affected who they had on the ice and how they played us.   That totally rises to the level of HOF.

But again the question was "will" he and there is no doubt to that the answer is no.

I don't think Jimmy will have a sophmore slump. He is gunna be what, 26-27 years old? He has played full time the last 4 years in the minors and played really well last season with the Wings. He is a pro and knows how to handle playing 50+ games.

This was my thought too.  The way we bring our players along by the time they get to the NHL full time they are ready.  There's no reason he should regress.

I really dont get all the hate for Forsberg. I think playing for the Avs is the only excuse i can come up with why i should dislike him. Sure he might of embellished a few plays but Franzen has done that before to.

Gosh, a Red Wing message board taking shots at the leader of our hated rivals, it's just "hate" and completely uncalled for.  When you saw "Let's Go Wings," you thought this was a book club?  Or intellectual discussion of the theory of hockey with current practitioners of the art to demonstrate the various nuances of the discussion?  To actually support a team and take shots at our rivals?  Absurd.  Where does that come from?    

jersys are a rip off anyways just get a hat

Yes, but would you get a Modano hat?  

No one hates Joe Sakic, no one should hate Forsberg either.

Who "hates" him?

you're never going to be able to convince me of him being a "diving little ***** *****."

You got a point, I don't remember him diving...

I know it'll never happen, but Homer should be a HOF Lock.  Did most of the people listed as locks draw more constant day in and day out attention from every team we faced then he did?  Did any of them pay the price he did to do it?  If you want to pick a guy who had more effect on his team's game and was recognized for that by every opponent we faced you'd be hard pressed.  There is no doubt he should be a lock, and there is no doubt he'll never get it.

In all the years I lived in the south I never did learn to like grits.  I'm not sure why the Red Wings need them...

I think it's a fine line to walk when balancing skill and grit

The whole we're not gritty thing is ridiculous anyway.  The only time we really had a problem was with teams like the Flames that just flat out assaulted us w/o any response from the officials or NHL.  They did it because they had no chance to beat us on skill and they paid no price for doing it.  I'm not sure you can design a team to be a talented hockey team and just brawl and having an "enforcer" isn't going to change it when the other team just all at the same time drops their gloves and assaults the closest Wing.

Z could easily score 50 if he was put on all offense, now he's one of the best shutdown guys in the game and he's got to be equally good in the defensive zone... nothin new just sayin'

Exactly.  The Wings forwards play O and D, they roll 4 lines to keep them fresh and try to move the puck around and different people score.  It just prevents individual monster scoring from guys who could do it if they could play more and be one dimensional.  We prefer Cups.

The only more cliche thread topic is a what will our lines be thread

Fedorov is my all time favorite hockey player. Watching him play was absolutely electrifying. I would have loved to see him go head to head against Ovechkin both in their primes. As much as I wish things had turned out differently, I can't help feeling nothing but gratitude for the years that he gave us. I would certainly consider retiring his number before Datsyuk or Zetterberg.

If Federov had showed up and played the way he could every night then I'd probably agree with you.  Unfortunately he took shifts, games, entire playoffs off.  Had he not had that on and off again maybe he'd have gotten the love and the money he wanted as well.  But a fair assessment of the root of his issue is that while he could be as good as you remember and frequently was, he also frequently wasn't.  At his best he was better then Yzerman.  On average not.  At his best he was better then Datsyuk and Zetterberg.  On average?  Don't know yet.

If Madano really does this then he's going to be one of my favorite Wings.  Talk about a home town discount.  Or should I say coming home discount...

I'm an Yzerman fan, not a Lightning fan

Hey, thanks for the lecture dad!  That's exactly what I was doing.  Supporting the players because it's easy and ignoring the owners, in a deliberate attempt not to shed light on the issues.  

You're quickly catching Crymson in terms of condescending commentary on people's posts instead of actually participating in the conversation.  

I wasn't writing an all-encompassing post on the lockout, but pointing out some things I think people forget.  The owners locked the players out.  And I think the owners did win the media war and it came off as greedy players.  And it's also pretty true that some owners have shown they cannot manage a team well, cap or no cap. Of course it's a two sided issue, though the players inherently have less control because they do not manage the franchises.  Though they have power through collective bargaining, they have relatively little control and say relative to the owners.   Which is why it was a huge concession that their salary be tied to league revenue, when their performance can hardly influence that in any direct way (relative to the owners).

If you notice, I also ended my post by saying Bettman plays a large role in the tone he sets. He should function more of a facilitator and arbitrator between the two sides, acting in the best interest of the entire league, instead of as a puppet for ownership.  In terms of avoiding another lost season, he's probably the one who can make or break it.  Or at least someone in his position should.

But I'm not sure why I should bother elaborating.  Your post was hardly intended to elicit discussion, and you seem to disagree with anything I say simply as a reflex, probably from our interactions in the political discussion forum.  Which is another argument for closing that forum.  Perhaps without our debates there, you wouldn't immediately respond with a condescending analysis of my post here and might actually have an open mind and discuss the subject at hand.

Wow, talk about a hysterical over reaction.  You must be fun at parties.  Your post was one sided.  If you were just illustrating a point that was one sided and your view is more balanced why don't you just say that.  And while I pointed out you criticized owners for inability to control spending but didn't recognize there are actually economic differences that make simple cost management on their part impractical as a single solution and you didn't criticize the players at all, you once again criticized owners without recognizing the impact economics has on their differences and didn't criticize players again.

This is true, however. The greed and selfishness from professional athletes in general today is sky high.

It's pretty pathetic on both sides how much money there is and how they spend so much time worrying about how much each other are making so much instead of just appreciating how well paid they are.