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#2542793 Toronto Radio: Illitch is selling everything and Babs will be Leafs GM

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 October 2014 - 11:01 AM

I'm not ready to give Yzerman too much credit yet for any of Tampa's success.  He's been there for 4 years, the first year they went to the conference finals, but not much of that was due to anything Yzerman did, it was mostly due to the play of St. Louis and Stamkos.  The second year he was there they missed the playoffs.  The third year he was there they missed the playoffs.  The fourth year he was there they were eliminated in the first round.


I think they are starting to come around now, but again, that's more to do with Stamkos' maturation as well as Hedman starting to come into his own as well (both of whom were drafted before Yzerman came around).

#2538821 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by toby91_ca on 07 October 2014 - 02:49 PM

Interesting that Holland has so much power here.  Maybe it's changed over the years, but I would have thought that the coach is the guy that ultimately picks the roster and the GM would source the players.  Obviously both would have input on both processes, but in this case, looks like it's almost like Holland brings the players to camp and selects the 23 that will be on the roster and then Babcock is free to choose the 20 that dress every night.


I'm sure Babcock has more influence than that though....no way he'd stick around if he didn't.

#2538641 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by toby91_ca on 06 October 2014 - 08:19 PM

One of the dumbest things I've ever read:



Detroit finished 16th last season in both goals-for per-game (2.65) and total goals scored (217)

#2537263 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 September 2014 - 08:42 AM

This probably isn't the best example of a hit to use to complain about not having someone to back up teammates and deter hits against the star players.  This was a normal play that you see several times a game.  I think part of the probably was Dats stretching out his arm and reaching around to try and get the puck, leaving the shoulder at the wrong angle to take impact.


In terms of "payback" for clean hits on star players....I really don't have much of a problem with it to be honest...to a point of course.  Hitting is part of the game, but you still want your star players to avoid as many hits as you can and if you have the other team think twice before even laying a clean hit....then that's good.  If you look back at the 80s, Gretzky had to deal with a lot of hooks and holds, but not hits.  He barely got touched.

#2536956 Did the Wings change the font on their jerseys?

Posted by toby91_ca on 23 September 2014 - 08:23 AM

I was half thinking this must be a joke before I clicked on the thread....but based on past experience, I couldn't really be sure.

#2536766 Barry Trotz Wants Ovechkin to be more like Yzerman

Posted by toby91_ca on 22 September 2014 - 05:27 PM

I think it is a little too simplistic to look at Bowman getting Yzerman to focus on defense and that resulting in a drop in Yzerman's offensive production.  My honest opinion is that I don't think his production was impacted too significantly from his attention to the defensive end.  A lot of people might say that if you play great defense, it will give you more time with the puck to play offense.


I think Yzerman played in a unique era within the history of the game.  A good part of his prime was during the highest scoring era in league history and his increased age came during the lowest scoring era in league history....which made his drop in production look more significant.

#2535749 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 September 2014 - 01:08 PM

In terms of his birthday...yes, if he was born 1 month earlier, he would have just finished his 4th full year in junior.  He turned 18 before his 50 goal season even began (so it wasn't 50 goals as a 17/18 year old). 


I kinda feel like I'm putting the guy down now, which is not the intent...I'm simply suggesting that I wouldn't put much stock in his junior stats.


Going back to his birthdate and other comments around size...I'd probably even those two out.  I agree that it takes a bit longer for a guy his size to develop, so being close to 1 year older than a lot in his draft year may not be as big of a deal.  However, one could look at his size and suggest it is easier for him to dominate against guys that are much smaller at 17 and 18 years old....but it likely won't help when he makes the jump to the next level.

#2535723 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 September 2014 - 10:50 AM

I'm cautiously excited about Mantha...however, I don't put much stock at all in his 120 points in the QMJHL.  I am a bit excited though as the production didn't completely come out of nowhere...he was seen to have enough ability to be drafted at 20th overall.


In terms of Junior stats though, I almost always ignore them unless they are put up by someone in their first couple years in junior and are clearly leading the pack (e.g. Crosby, Lindros, etc.).  If you have a look at Daigle as an example....I think most think he put up huge stats, blew everyone out of the water, was drafted 1st overall and was a bust.  In reality, he never lead the league in scoring in Junior (was never top 2).  He probably went 1st overall though and came with a lot of hype because he put up very high scoring stats as a 2nd year player (even though not leading the league).


If you go back and look at scoring stats in junior, most leading scorers are guys in their 3rd and 4th years and most of those guys don't go on to have spectacular NHL careers.......so I really look for the ones that are putting up huge stats early in junior or I most ignore the stats (which is tough to do).

#2534694 Datsyuk or Fedorov?

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 August 2014 - 02:52 PM

1. In answering for myself, Fedorov was the better player.  In terms of Wings fans in general, I wouldn't be surprised if more said Datsyuk, for several reasons: he didn't have a nasty exit from the team, for a long time now (at forward), the team has been him and Zetterberg, there were more greats around in Fedorov's day + timing thing, Datsyuk's more current.


2. Fedorov should get in fairly easily, but his offensive stats tailed off (under 1ppg, under 500 goals), but he was better all around than anyone + playoff stats are good and he has the major awards to back him up.  Also, being the highest scoring Russian in league history will help.  Ovechkin will likely pass him, Datsyuk won't, but either way, Fedorov will have held that title for many years.


3. I'm honestly not sure about Datsyuk getting in.  Then again, it's always hard to say.  There are worse players in than Datsyuk, but there are also better players that haven't made it.

#2533184 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 28 July 2014 - 02:59 PM

The only problem I have with these types of deals is that the player will always earn more than they should.  Sign for a few years that you grow into, then you sign your next deal that overpays early again for you to grow into it, etc.  Perhaps they'll be a bargain by the end of the deal, but what about the years leading up to the end of the deal?  I'm using hypotheticals now, but if a player signs for 5 years that turns out to be a bargain in the last year or 2, it doesn't change the fact that he was overpaid for the majority of the contract. 


In Tatar's case, I don't think that is a big issue though as even if he is overpaid for the entire thing, a 3-year, $2.75M contract is not going to cause any issues.  It's the long-term, high dollar contracts that suck.

#2533003 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 July 2014 - 11:55 AM

I agree with you there, like I said, I don't think either is a bad deal.  I think the Booth deal is a better one, but I certainly wouldn't look at that one as a steal and think of the Cleary one as a terrible deal.  Both are low risk deals and while the Booth one is better (imo), it certainly isn't by a huge amount.

#2532989 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 July 2014 - 08:47 AM

Let's not compare Tatar's situation with the 3 guys in Edmonton who signed for $6M.

#2532960 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 24 July 2014 - 01:54 PM

Having had a better rookie season than Datsyuk's rookie season is absolutely meaningless, not sure why we are discussing it.  Several players in NHL history have had better or even much better rookie seasons than Datsyuk and have gone on to have careers nowhere near the career Datsyuk has had.  The opposite is true as well...there have been players that have had worse rookie years than Datsyuk and have gone on to have better careers than him.  It is really a silly comparison.

#2532767 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 22 July 2014 - 08:49 AM

I don't think Danny has come close to "earning" the same money Quincey got.  People can argue whether he's just as good or better all they want, but that's not how contracts get done in the NHL at this stage of his career.  If Danny was a star player and clearly better, it would be a different story, but the truth is he is simply one of the guys who is developing and who has some promise and could very likely end up being the better player.


Quincey put in many years to get to UFA status, which is what many players work towards and often only get the opportunity to experience once in their careers...that's when they cash in.  If you are Danny, after putting in 70 odd games in NHL and looking to cash in the same way, then I'd be more than a bit annoyed.

#2532707 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 July 2014 - 01:14 PM

Looking at what Quincey got is really not a good comparison due to his UFA status.  UFA eligibility is a seriously negotiated term of the CBA as compensation coming out of UFA is significantly different than a RFA.  That's just the way it is.  It is something you need to "earn" - goes beyond just your ability on the ice.  Danny has played a total of 76 games in the NHL, I'd be pretty hesitant in handing out a fat contract.