I think that is absolutely asinine. If you want to argue that people won't give him Norris because they don't want to admit Lidstrom is just as good or better, those same people could just fall back on this:
This to a "T"
They will never vote Lidstrom an 8th trophy just because that would mean that people would have to admit that Lidstrom is just as good as or even better than Orr ever was. So by that fact alone, Lids will retire with 7 Norris Trophies.
On that note, if I am making a team and picking players from their prime, Lidstrom gets picked before Orr...
Orr, ignoring his rookie year, effectively played 8 seasons in the NHL, in those 8 seasons he has won:
- 8 Norris trophies
- 3 Hart trophies
- 2 Conn Smythe trophies
- 2 Art Ross trophies
Some would argue that if his career was not cut short, he could have won 15-20 Norris trophies.
The problem is that there really are no defensive stats. Any stats you find that you can try and present as defensive stats are subjective at best.
His offensive stats have been great, his defensive stats have been meh.
That's the problem I always have with trying to determine who the best is defensively. You can do that with the Wings because you watch them play all the time. You can't really assess a player's defensive play without watching them all the time. Unless you watch every player just as much as every other player, you will never be able to form an objective view.
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