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#2256278 Is Nicklas Lidstrom The Greatest Detroit Red Wing Of All Time?

Posted by toby91_ca on 13 February 2012 - 03:23 PM

I thought i made it clear on my post, that Yzerman was my pick. I was merely throwing in great names that helped make the Yzerman era that much greater. That guys like Draper and McCarty were built around Yzerman.

Sorry I lost you.

I think you are losing me to. If you are having a discussion about all time greats, I don't think McCarty or Draper should even me allowed to know about the discussion, let alone be involved in it :P

#2256234 Is Nicklas Lidstrom The Greatest Detroit Red Wing Of All Time?

Posted by toby91_ca on 13 February 2012 - 01:30 PM

I have Howe 2nd all-time, behind only Wayne Gretzky. He has led the league in points by Lemieux-like margins, but was mean and good defensively as well. He finished top 5 in points for 20 straight years - next closest is Gretzky at 16. He also led the league in postseason points 5 times.

Off topic now, but interesting that you make reference to Lemieux in terms of how wide of a margin Howe led in points rather than Gretzky. I did a quick comparsion and learned a few things (actually, learned one thing and was reminded of a few others). I didn't realize just how much of a wide marging Howe was winning scoring titles. I guess I just assumed it was small since he didn't put up huge point totals. So here is my comparison in terms of how much each led the rest of the league in the years they won the scoring title.

I've put % in brackets beause scoring was lower in Howe's ara so his margin would look a lot smaller otherwise.


'51 - 20pts (30%)
'52 - 17pts (25%)
'53 - 24pts (34%)
'54 - 14pts (21%)
'57 - 4pts (5%)
'63 - 5pts (6%)


'88 - 31pts (18%)
'89 - 19pts (13%)
'92 - 8pts (7%)
'93 - 12pts (8%)
'96 - 12pts (8%)
'97 - 13pts (12%)


'81 - 29pts (21%)
'82 - 65pts (44%)
'83 - 72pts (58%)
'84 - 86pts (68%)
'85 - 73pts (54%)
'86 - 74pts (52%)
'87 - 75pts (69%)

'90 - 13pts (10%)
'91 - 32pts (24%)
'94 - 10pts (8%)

A lot of people discount Gretzky's stats because he played in an era where every scored a ton. This is true, but the extent to which he dominated is quite amazing. The bolded stats are just plain stupid.

Another interesting note, if Lemieux didn't miss the entire 94/95 season, he or Gretzky would likely have won teh scoring title for 17 years in a row.

Edit - formatting

#2254420 Anyone Ever Notice This?

Posted by toby91_ca on 09 February 2012 - 05:33 PM

I'm guessing it's partly that, but I think it's also that Lidstrom constantly has his head up, so he's really hard to get a good hit on.

It's seriously ridiculous how little he looks down at the puck. Next game just watch Lids. He's almost never looking down, whether he's skating up ice with the puck, making a pass, or taking a shot. I'm not sure he even knows what his skates look like.

No, that may be true in other examples, but I am specifically referring to situations where he could have easily been hammered, the player is there, they still hit him, but it was more like the type of bump you'd see at an all star game.

#2250922 Future retired numbers

Posted by toby91_ca on 31 January 2012 - 02:11 PM

Datsyuk is already a lock for the Hall of Fame, IMO.

Really? How many HOFers have scored 200 goals and 700 points?

He'll probably get there, but I'm not sure I'd call him a lock at this point.
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#2250498 SI: Sidney Crosby to visit spine specialist in Calif.

Posted by toby91_ca on 28 January 2012 - 09:44 PM

Interesting series of tweets from Bob McCown:

FadooBobcat Bob McCown
Sydney Crosby has injury to C1 and C2 vertebrae

FadooBobcat Bob McCown
Injury diagnosed during recent trip to Utah, but apparently missed by Pittsburgh doctors who were treating him.

FadooBobcat Bob McCown
Drs expect Crosby to heal and be ready for playoffs. Unclear if he even suffered 2nd concussion. Sid said to be very unhappy with Pit docs.

I see this as great news for the league, but awful news for the Pens doctors.

Edit: I'm assuming the vertebrae injury happened with the original concussion and had it been found/addressed, he wouldn't have had any issues after he came back in December.

The Pens medical staff has to be completely embarrased right about now, but they seem to have screwed up several times. Let's not forget that they let him play, not only the 3rd period in the Winter classic, but the next game as well...after likely having broken his neck and suffering a oncussion. I understand the neck thing just came out now, but even without that, they should have learned from Crosby's concussion, yet this year, they let Letang go back in a game after taking a pretty wicked head shot. Sure enough, within the next few days, he's out with a concussion.

Someone really should be fired.

#2250497 The SuperSkills competition is an embarrassment

Posted by toby91_ca on 28 January 2012 - 09:38 PM

Is anyone else bothered by the way Kane sounds when he's talked to by the commentators? He sounds to me like he doesn't want to be bothered, or kind of arrogant. I hear he's a bit of a jerk from even Chicago fans but I was just wondering if anyone else got that feeling...

With that said, Kanes superman goal was pretty neat. I thought Perry's was a bit better.

I'm not bothered, he's just a complete idiot/ass/whatever you want to call him. If he was related to me, I'd be bothered.

#2249954 Winter Classic Idea

Posted by toby91_ca on 26 January 2012 - 09:55 AM

I think it's asking for a complete disaster. What happens if the game needs to be pushed back a few hours because of weather like it has in past years. All of a sudden you are competing directly with the Super Bowl. The aricle elludes to the need to push back the timing in the past and one of the suggestions was just to play new year's night.....why did they simply forget all about that when they got to the "obvious" choice?

#2249366 Cooke Boards or Jackman Dives?

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 January 2012 - 04:47 PM

Someone who is hit from behind into the boards does not have their feet flopping up behind them like that....no question he dove and not hidden very well. I'm guessing the ref didn't actually see the full play and used judgment to come up with the 2 min boarding call.

#2248958 Hemsky : Knee on knee hit

Posted by toby91_ca on 24 January 2012 - 11:53 AM

The whole repeat offender thing is proving to weigh heavy on decisions.

I don't think so. It didn't look all that bad to me. The classic knee on knee playing is when a playing is coming down with speed and makes a move where the defender sticks his leg out in reaction to that. I didn't see that at all here, Hemsky looks to be going for the puck with his head down, didn't move his leg out from what I can tell....looks like Burns is the only one that moved a leg. Hemsky would have had to jump out of the way to avoid contact.

#2248312 Ovechkin hits Michalek

Posted by toby91_ca on 23 January 2012 - 02:14 PM

Yeah, pretty much. I've watched it a bunch of time in slow-mo...and at the very least...it was a front/shoulder hit and wasn't from behind. NHL hit.

Whether it was from behind or not is irrelevant. He hit him in the head with his shoulder, while leaving his feet to make the hit....I'm not sure how you can consider that a clean hit.

Even 5 years ago, that wouldn't have been a clean hit due to him leaving his feet.

#2244296 Cherry rips Holland

Posted by toby91_ca on 11 January 2012 - 11:15 AM

My only thought on this is - what did Holland/Nill/amateur scouts see in Emmerton 41st, Matthias 47th, and Axelsson 62nd over Lucic 50th, and Marchand 71st in the 2006 draft?

As already noted, more potential as that is all you have to go on in the draft. It is a crapshoot for the most part and you can go on and on all day, week, month coming up with examples of why was so and so chosen over so and so. I'll give you another, why did the Wings pick Jody Gage and Boris Fistric instead of Mark Messier?

Looking at the players you pointed out though, using a purely stats based analysis (much more goes into the draft obviously), you'll get the following (from year they were drafted). I left out Axelsson as he was playing in Europe, harder to compare from pure stats perspective vs. the other guys that all played in the CHL.

Emmerton - 6'0", 190 lbs, 66 games, 90 pts
Matthias - 6'4", 216lbs, 67 games, 34 pts

Lucic - 6'4", 220lbs, 62 games, 19 pts
Marchand - 5'9", 190lbs, 68 games, 66 pts

Looking at that and knowing the draft is a crapshoot, it should make a lot of sense as to why Emmerton and Matthias were drafted ahead of Lucic and Marchand. Emmerton clearly looked to have the most offensive upside and he had good size. Matthias and Lucic were both had great size, but Matthias appeared to have better offensive upside (they were both drafted very close together. While Marchand appeared to be better offsensively than those to, he was very small. Guys like him often don't even get drafted. If you are that size, you have to be great offensively to get a sniff and it's not like he was lights out in that regard, he was just about 1 ppg.

#2241767 Tortorella fined 30k for WC comments

Posted by toby91_ca on 05 January 2012 - 12:16 PM

Oooooo, no playoff assignments! There aren't enough playoff games to go around, so that probably doesn't sting a whole lot anyway. If I screw up at my job, I don't not get invited to the Christmas party, I get called out on the carpet. Or if it's really egregious, I get fired. When was the last time anyone's heard of a ref getting fired?
And calling out the refs embarrasses the league more than doing a piss-poor job? Sounds to me like they've got their priorities screwed up. I get that they don't want anarchy, but clean house and then worry about fining people for making comments.

I used the playoff assignments as an example, there are many ways that refs get disciplined and refs get dismissed all the time. There are a few that are currently arguing wrongful dismissal as well. Yes, doing a poor job embarrases the league, which is why they get disciplined. However, the poor job is embarrasment enough, having someone get behind a camera and a mic and go on about it just adds to the embarrasment.

Like I said, find me a company out there what wouldn't take serious issue with one of their employees voicing their concerns in the public vs. doing in behind closed doors.

#2241750 Open Season on Ducks

Posted by toby91_ca on 05 January 2012 - 11:48 AM

I might get flamed for this but I would make a package with Franzen.

Hes clutch yeah, but so Is Getzlaf. Getzlaf is only 26 and easily a top 5 center in the league, he isnt injury prone like Franzen is either and isnt locked into a long term contract.

Getzlaf plays solid defensively as well.

If you get flamed, it would be by big time homers.

#2234530 Ovechkin spears Chris Neil

Posted by toby91_ca on 09 December 2011 - 04:01 PM

Two minutes each for two complete bulls***ters.

I can live with the 2 minutes to Neil, but Ovie should have gotten 5 minutes. There is no grey zone here. Spear with no contact is a double minor, spear with contact is a major.

#2231725 Bobby Ryan/Jarome Iginla watch

Posted by toby91_ca on 01 December 2011 - 03:34 PM

I would guess that Ryan is off the market for now after the coaching change.