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#2230858 Bylsma Defends Crosby's Elbow on Foligno

Posted by toby91_ca on 29 November 2011 - 01:37 PM

There probably isn't any, but the first time he gets an elbow to the face, there will be. The point also was, he comes him and says how these type of plays need to be out of the game, then does it himself and thinks its ok. Then

Can you show me where he said these types of plays should be out of the game?

#2230837 Bylsma Defends Crosby's Elbow on Foligno

Posted by toby91_ca on 29 November 2011 - 12:55 PM

Doesn't matter, bottom line is Crysby gives the NHL even LESS respect than they get compared to the rest of the sports. The fact that they are trying to eliminate plays like this by suspension's and then to not suspend a player for doing it makes it obvious that he has special rules set for himself.

That's total BS. Please cite one, only one will suffice, example of another player in the league that has done something similar and got suspended for it?

#2230700 Acquiring a top six forward

Posted by toby91_ca on 28 November 2011 - 09:23 PM


#2230699 Jimmy Howard - Vezina winner?

Posted by toby91_ca on 28 November 2011 - 09:20 PM

Right now...I'd vote for Elliot. Right now he's the strongest candidate.

Is that a homer vote? Nope...not really.

Numbers don't lie. He has the best numbers in the NHL right now...leading in GAA, Save%, shutouts and only 3 wins behind Howard in 7 less games played.

My problem....I'm not willing to talk about Vezina worthiness with a guy who's only played 12 games so far. Not really into discussing it for guys that played 20 games either.

#2230236 Crosby coming back

Posted by toby91_ca on 26 November 2011 - 09:04 PM

Hardly the same. Mostly what is being talked about is the the media coverage of him. Not LGW. But i will say this. Would love to never see him brought up again on here. It should turn into a month ban if you say his name. =)


way to show that "CLASS OF THE LEAGUE" crosby


Oh, BTW, you are missing quite a bit of the back story in what led up to that incident in front of the net. I didn't see the game, but I have heard from several and I've heard several guys suggesting they loved seeing that from Crosby. I can tell you for sure that his coach and his teammates liked it a lot. That was the 3rd or 4th time in short order that folino had blantantly ran Fleury. He should have expected a lot worse than he got. It really shouldn't have had to come from Crosby, but it did.

#2228350 Crosby coming back

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 November 2011 - 12:28 PM

What the video I posted. You'll see a spoiled, entitled, pampered, little brat of a child throwing a temper tantrum because he lost.

Have you ever scene Yzerman, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, or Lidstrom go after a guy at the end of a game out of frustration? Never.

No one denies his talent, but he's not half the man of a Yzerman, Lidstrom, Gretzky, Messier, or any of the other great captains.

The video you posted is only a big deal because it's Crosby. So what, he was frustrated, yes he has a temper at times, so what, so do a ton of guys in the league. Plays like that happen all the time and yes, I have seen Yzerman act like that before and yes, I've seen Yzerman whine at least to the level of Crosby. In part, you will tend to see more of that from captains.

If you spend a few games and just follow Crosby around, watch the punishment he takes during the game...behind the play. There is no doubt that he snapped a bit there, but to suggest that is so strange when you compare to everyone else is odd. With Gretzky, no only did he not take anywhere near the punishment Crosby gets, he would have never reacted like that for 2 reasons...1) he probably doesn't have as much of a temper and 2) he had other people do it for him.

#2228333 Crosby coming back

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 November 2011 - 10:46 AM

I like Ovi too. Yeah, he can be cocky and sometimes have touchdown celebrations after goals, but he's just genuinely excited about the game. He's not a whiner. He's not a diver. He's a two-way player. He has no sense of entitlement.

I think this is where some may say "blind hate." Ovechkin's not a diver? I can find some video showing some more blantant dives than you'll ever find for Crosby. He's a two-way player? Is that a joke? His coach may be trying to push that, but he defense is nowhere near to the level of Crosby (not saying Crosby is a defensive master, but he's improviing for sure and is much more two-way than Ovechkin). He's a centre though, so tough to compare.

Not sure what the sense of aentitlement commen is about though, but I'm assuming it's just a fun throw in that can't really be backed up, but hey...why not.

It's funny, anyone that I talk to that spends any time at all around Crosby suggests he's one of the most humble professional athletes they have ever encountered. I guess it's funny the contrasting views some fans can take (I tend to rely on those that actually spend more time around him though).

#2221527 Norris Watch

Posted by toby91_ca on 02 November 2011 - 09:00 AM

FACT: Opinions are facts viewed from different perspectives.

Actully no.

If the ball is red, the FACT is that the ball is red. If you take that FACT and form an opinion from a different perspective and say the ball is blue, I wouldn't call that an opinion, I'd call it simply being WRONG.

#2221116 John Tortorella's opinion on Joe Thornton

Posted by toby91_ca on 01 November 2011 - 08:38 PM

Torts is pretty much just as classless though.

#2218153 Veterans Players Choosing to Wear visors/ Younger Players Going Withou

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 October 2011 - 10:30 AM

that stick still would have hit him as it would have gone up and under it. i stopped getting facial cuts when i stopped wearing one. thats the main reason i hate them so much, they can cut u, and direct sticks that would have just gone right in front of your face, into you face, it the stick is going is an upward direction. Different guys like different things, i guess.

There is absolutely no way of knowing whether a guy would still have gotten hit in the eye even if he was wearing a visor.

#2218152 Crosby GIF

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 October 2011 - 10:26 AM

Does anyone think Crosby will come out and perform like he has in the past again?

His concussion problem just seems so severe to me that he wont be the same, still good, but not the same.

I get the feeling he will play more reserved and cautious, or he'll get injured again and aggravate an already bad concussion problem.

Who knows? However, I'm sure there will be many jumping to that conclusion if he comes back and isn't playing that well right away....you know.....instead of simply chalking it up to him not playing a game for 10+ months.

#2216143 2 games scheduled today

Posted by toby91_ca on 18 October 2011 - 09:13 AM

Friday nights have never been a big night for hockey, there are rarely many games, it's always been that way. Saturday night is the big night for the NHL. It should be obvious why there are few games on Sunday. You'll see Sunday games increase in February or so....i.e. after the NFL season.

#2215901 Asham KOs Beagle

Posted by toby91_ca on 17 October 2011 - 09:10 AM

While we've learned new stuff about concussions, concussions are nothing new at all. I was warned of what could happen if I were to play football again after sustaining one, as a teenager. I understood just fine. These are adults.

As far as the business perspective goes, remember, "business" bottomline, 1) teams are insured for players, 2) injured reserve doesn't count against the cap in such a way that if it were long term the player could be replaced presuming value is the same or less regardless of cap status.

Fighting, hitting, is part of the entertainment value of hockey, along with core parts of the sport itself.

The politically correct aspect is not criticizing the league for it's excessive nanny-like handling of concussions, because if they didn't take it as such, the media would be all over their ass. It's pretty similar to the PC flipping out over a fan tossing a banana on the ice. If the team doctor, who is there for a reason, says the player is fine, let them play. Whatever happens to the player when they're retired, they knew the risks of playing a physically violent sport, and much like those who fight for the UFC or box or even do fake rasslin' for WWE, there's little logic in blaming others -- they're paid to take those risks, not skate around in such a politically correct safe manner.

Obviously the problem is leaving it up to a league's rules when players understand that a concussion, like any wound, might have other complications beyond that. Laich's attitude comes from the fact that playing in the NHL is certainly a risk as far as physical health goes, and guess what, if you stick your face out there to fight, or play stupidly and keep your head down admiring a pass or following the puck without paying attention, take a random puck to the head, lose one's balance and hitting head in the boards, and one of the many other ways for such an injury to happen, that is part of the inherent risk of playing the game, and one cannot ever guarantee safety in such a fashion given the physicality and speed of this sport. Players aren't that stupid as to not know the possible consequences, just because we're now learning more about the long term effects of concussions. This is getting well out of hand, and I'm glad Laich spoke out about it.

What you are talking about is the risks that players take out there and you basically have to live with them, can't avoid the issue all together.

But what Laich really doesn't like is the protocal about having to go get checked out and cleared before you go back out there if you take some sort of head shot. Beagle was knocked unconcious and had to be helped off the ice. I'm sorry, but why is there a problem with then having to go sit a few minutes and get cleared before heading back out there?

Ingoring the players own stupidity and not caring whether he has a quality of life past the age of 40, ignoring potential impact on his kids, etc, I'll just take the blunt approach. If I'm the owner of the team and I have invested millions in this player and I have him under contract (guaranteed) over the next 5 years, I don't want my investment risk to be beyond what it inherently has to be.

#2215629 Veterans Players Choosing to Wear visors/ Younger Players Going Withou

Posted by toby91_ca on 15 October 2011 - 09:55 PM

Their grown ass men, they can make that decision.

Well, in pretty much all other industries on the planet, the grown ass men have no choice whether to follow saftey precuations if they want to be employed.

Edit...oh yeah, forgot to mention, was Franzen lumped in with that "younger" player group? He's older than 4 of the 5 players mentioned in the "older" player group. Morrow is as well.
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#2214306 Bouchard suspended 2 games

Posted by toby91_ca on 12 October 2011 - 10:25 AM

I just don't get it. Shanny's video spells out, literally, why the suspension is being handed down, but the reasons he gave are for a double minor penalty. It even sounds like he is explaining why he wouldn't suspend Bouchard, stating that he has never received supplemental disciplinary action before. I just don't understand why it wasn't four minutes in the box, call it a lesson learned and move on. It just seems that clean hits are going to be punished if they have an unfortunate outcome. This "new NHL" is going in the crapper if you ask me. It's almost more exciting to watch women's Olympic hockey...ok, scratch that last part.

*edited for spelling.

The difference is that the double minor would apply for an accidental "high stick" - this was a slash....big difference.