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#2205458 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by toby91_ca on 29 August 2011 - 10:55 AM

"Because Crosby showed no immediate signs of a concussion after being drilled by a blindside hit from the Capitals' David Steckel during the Winter Classic on Jan. 1 at Heinz Field, he stayed in the game."

Bias much? :rolleyes:


Bias? Where's the bias? The statement is "fact." I suppose it depends on what you are reading into it. I don't think the writer was trying to say that Steckel went out and drilled him with a vicious hit, otherwise, the writer would have gone on to say more about. I know there are some out there that think the contact was on purpose, but the vast majority think it was accidentaal contact...but either way, he was "drilled by a blindside hit."

If you step back and think about things now though, you have to really question the Pens medical staff, reasons as follows:

- When I was watching the game on TV, after seeing that hit, I was thinking concussion immediately, surely the medical staff must have had concerns as well. Regardless of what Crosby may have said to them, why on earth wouldn't they keep him out of the rest of the game? One period of a regular season game...keep him out just for precaution. Perhaps he continued to play just because of the nature of that game.

- I've read that he did experience some symptoms before the TB game, which was somehow explained away, but again, combining the fact he took that headshot, had some sort of headaches/illness afterwards, surely you think you'd hold him out of hte next game for precautionary reasons.

- Then, in the TB he takes the hit from behind into the glass. If you watch that play, he doesn't look well at all after the hit. Again, I'm pretty sure he finished the rest of the game....what? How is that possible.

Anyway, my line of thought is to take a lot of caution when you see something that could be potentials for concussion. Knowing everything we know now and don't know, why wouldn't you be as cautious as possible. There is a lot of people out there that think he would have been back playing last year if they had just kept him out after the Steckel hit. Not playing the next game, but definately not out this long.

#2205169 Oilers - Red Wings 2004

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 August 2011 - 10:00 PM

seems like you became fans after 2004

What are you talking about? Why are you posting a video from 2006 (it's now 2011), get it wrong and say the video is from 2004 and then question whether the rules are different because there was no evidence there was a goal???? The was clearly a goal, but even if it wasn't clear at all, it would still have been a goal, even 20 years ago and even today.

You've totally confused the hell out of me.

#2204442 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by toby91_ca on 19 August 2011 - 10:11 AM

Did they have player polls when yzerman played and how many times did he win the biggest whiner by his peers? Yzerman was pretty much respected in all aspects of the game so thats a non argument. Theres a difference in complaining and just flat out whineing.

No idea on player polls, but he did make #4 on a referrees list of biggest whiners of ALL-TIME.

#2204428 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by toby91_ca on 19 August 2011 - 08:20 AM

It's mostly in nhl player polls that have ask the question to the players "Which player complains the most on the ice?" and so on. And crosby wins by wide margins most all the time. I would have to look them up but i have seen them. He gets hated because how good he is? Thats used a lot in defending him. my hate is more along the lines of im tired of seeing him and having him rammed down my throat when there are players all over the league that should be pushed as well. To pick one player out of so many great players and make a poster child out of him in a sport like hockey where fans are so passionate about their own team you will get a ton of strong hate for that said player no matter how good he is. I just think they messed up when picking one person to try and sell hockey. I think thats why they started pushing the whole crosby vs ovechkin thing because they started seeing how much hate crosby was getting. But as far as wishing him ill will im not even about that. I hope he does play. That would totally suck to go out like that with that much skill and being so young. Oh and i don't want any excuses for the pens fans when we beat the snot out of them hehe :D

Please look up the results of these polls and share them with us. There is a big difference between complaining to officials on the ice and having bad character or being a bad person/poor role model. Yzerman complained with the best of them and I think most would hold him in high regard as a human being.

Just to give another example, similar player polls show players "RESPECT" Crosby way more than Ovechkin...what does that mean?

#2204259 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by toby91_ca on 17 August 2011 - 05:05 PM

Crap I just wrote a long response and the kitten hit refresh on the keyboard.

So here is the abridged version.

Many writers believe class counts for something in getting into a hall of fame. I believe fame should be dependent upon how they hold themselves as a person.

He dives, he whines, he acts in a way that if my son did that I would scold him. He does things that non-marquee players would be called cheaters for... It isn't all on him, it is the superstar culture but he does act poorly, especially for a hockey player.

Do I think that will keep him out? No.

It might if he retires now. Also he really hasn't the numbers to get in, the reverse Osgood argument.

I put it this way.
Hypothetically, if he plays 10 more years and because of his concussion he has balance issues that lead to him never getting more than 30 pts again. Would he get in the hall with 16 years and about 900 pts?

I don't think he does. Based on that rational, I don't think he gets in if he were to retire now. His entire career, albeit impressive, is not complete therefore you wouldn't bestow that lock upon him.That is all I was saying about your statement about him being a lock no matter what happens. I think it premature.

Honestly, I will use every argument used against Osgood and others because I only think it fair to be consistent. I might be wrong about him being a lock, but that is my viewpoint.

I am however quite confident that beyond skill, there is nothing impressive about Crosby as a human being and I dislike his attitude. That should count for something when there are people looking up to him.

I think your views of him as a person are pretty skewed and mostly based on what year hear people saying (whether there is anything to back it up or not). I'd challenge you to spend a week following him around everywhere and actually get to know what the guy is all about and then come back and tell me what you think about the guy as a person, his character, etc.

#2183294 Aaron Rome

Posted by toby91_ca on 07 June 2011 - 12:24 PM

I'm well aware of what a charge is and I think they got the call wrong - It sure looked to me like he took more than 3 strides, also, Horton wasn't "watching his pass", he was checking to make sure he was onside and the hit was way later than "just a second" -

If you are well aware of what a charge is, then you know there is nothing in the rule or definition of a charge that says anything about 3 strides, I'm not sure where you are getting that. For fun, let's assume there was some rule about 3 strides, could you point out where in the video Rome took 3 strides to make the hit?

Maybe I'm thinking about a different hit.....the hit I saw has Rome skating backwards as Horton is carrying the puck through the middle of the ice in the neutral zone. Horton passes the puck and then Rome comes to a stop at the blue line to lay the hit on Horton. By my count, there were approximately ZERO strides.

Regarding checking to make sure he was onside....I'm sorry, but I have to call BS on that. He passed the puck ahead to a player receiving it just before the blue line. That player was a few strides ahead of him....there is no possible way he could have ever gone offside, so if he is checking to make sure he stays onside, he doesn't belong in the game of hockey, let alone playing at the NHL level.

Back to the actual suspension....4 games...wow, that surprised me. You have to believe that if it wasn't a star player from the Bruins that got hurt or if it was as star player from the Canucks making the hit, the suspension would have been less.

#2183267 Aaron Rome

Posted by toby91_ca on 07 June 2011 - 11:16 AM

No way he'll get that much and he shouldn't. Far worse hits have gotten way less.

It wasn't a blindside hit as defined by rule 48. If Horton wasn't hurt, I doubt he'd get anything, but because he was, he'll be suspended, but I doubt for very long, I'm guessing 1-2, perhaps 3 games (but I doubt it).

The league will take into account the fact that he essentially already missed a game because of the game misconduct and the fact that he has a pretty clean record. The fact really going against him is Horton's injury though.

#2183226 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by toby91_ca on 07 June 2011 - 08:05 AM

Yeah that was pretty funny :cool:

But imo, if goalies are to be immune to checks, they shouldn't be allowed to throw hits either.

Yeah, I agree. That play really, really pissed me off, especially coming from Thomas. Thomas is the type of goalie that wonders way out of his crease, purposely looking for the slightest bit of contact to catch a call, which he has gotten several of during these playoffs....most of the time he's the guy initiating the contact.

I have that in the back of mind my mind and then you see him steam roll Sedin and it's completely legit? I know by the rules it's okay, but it pisses me off.

I should make it absolutely clear that I have no rooting interest in these Finals and I'm definately not a fan of the Sedins...I don't dislike them like some, I think they are great players, but I also think they dive too much.

I've always been a guy (I'm a non-goalie by the way) that has defended goalies being untouchable when they are out of the crease since they can get injured if they are knocked over more easily due to their equipment. HOWEVER, I think it must go both ways, if they can't be hit, they can't be hitting.

#2182963 SCF: Boston Bruins vs. Vancouver Canucks

Posted by toby91_ca on 06 June 2011 - 12:52 PM

I've seen several other examples of biting incidents in the NHL that have gone unpunished...why is this incident any different?

#2181262 What can be done to go East?

Posted by toby91_ca on 31 May 2011 - 12:31 PM

I live in Toronto, so I'd love to see the Wings back in the East, but other than specific reasons like that, why would the fans care if the team is in the East or the West? I know why Management would want the team in the East (specific business reasons), but what about the fans? Is it because you want to see more games against Toronto, Montreal, Boston and New York?

I think part of the problem is going to be the level of interest in the West for games against the Wings. I think there is a good chance that moving the Wings to the East would hurt the league financially.

#2177060 (1) Vancouver Canucks vs. (2) San Jose Sharks

Posted by toby91_ca on 19 May 2011 - 08:17 AM

He wants any flashing women to report to his suite.

What's interesting is a few things.

1) Look at Eager's board on Sedin. He saw Eager coming, and purposely faced the boards. This mirrors the Pavelski board in Game 1 Wings/Sharks. It's a very pathetic and stupidly dangerous method of trying to get a penalty call one's way. I don't think Eager will or should get suspended for that. On the other hand, that hit followed the Marleau/Bieksa fight, Eager went up to the glass toward the Canucks bench following that and started yelling s*** at them something about going after skill guys, so he might have intended to run Sedin as payback. If this is the case, suspension deserved.

"Might" have intended?? I think it was prettey obvious.

In terms of Sedin seeing him coming and turning his back, I'm not so sure about that, he lost the puck in his feet and turned and looked to find it. I could be wrong, but that's what it looked like to me. Either way, I wouldn't lump this into those plays where the guy turns at the last second.....there is a decent amount of time where Eager could have very easily avoided the hit....not only did he not do that, he actually drove through the hit pretty aggressively.

Personally, I'd suspend, but they probably won't. Bob MacKenzie suggested the hit isn't suspendable due to similar hits in the past not being suspended, but he went on to say that the league may look at it closer due to all the other idiotic things he did during the game.

I'm not sure how this is "significantly" different than the Matt Cooke hit that got 4 games. I know one is "Matt Cooke" and that plays into it, but Eager isn't exactly a non-idiot.

#2176530 Subliminal Sidney Crosby Messages in NHL commercials?

Posted by toby91_ca on 17 May 2011 - 03:28 PM

Do we have this much penis envy over the attention he gets? :violin:

Around here? Yes, and the some.

#2172400 Is there a quick way to get the current roster's

Posted by toby91_ca on 11 May 2011 - 11:00 AM

Actually, here you go, all in one spot:


#2133153 Brule crushes Letang

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 March 2011 - 12:40 PM

I would argue they were in a race for the puck, given that Moore went after THE PUCK instead of Naslund, and then tucked his elbow IN when he realized he was probably going to collide with Naslund.

Calling that an elbow, an intentional knee-on-knee, or an intentional head shot is about the last place I'd go. Moore pulled both his elbow and knee in to try and avoid Naslund; so much so with the knee that he himself went into the boards. He's not lunging towards Naslund. He's trying not to take out Naslund's knee because Naslund is sticking it out to the world saying "wreck my career!"

People say Moore was just another Matt Cooke. Had it been Cooke instead of Moore on that hit, Naslund doesn't get up. And possibly doesn't play another game in the NHL.

His elbow may not have been "tucked" as if he were actually throwing a hit. But the primary point of contact was still not the elbow. Just because his arm wasn't tucked in to his gut doesn't make it an elbow; the elbow never factored into the contact. And the contact wasn't even an intentional hit. Chara on Pacioretty is fifty times worse than Moore on Naslund, even if Max had come up with no injuries.

EDIT: Moore would probably have gotten around 5 games, because his shoulder hit Naslund's head and Naslund was a star player. Even though Moore was trying for the puck and not Naslund, the NHL would have looked at the injury and said "Sorry dude, you get to sit."

It's fascinating how I can see that hit completely differently than you. I could care less about whether it was an elbow or not, that's not the point. It was a hit where the head was targeted. In terms of it being a race for the puck, I truly believe you are fabricating something that doesn't exist. When I watch that, I see Moore as a guy who has absolutely no interest in the puck at all, in fact, in preparation for the hist, he lightly brushes the puck aside with his stick to get it out of the way....he didn't want it, he wanted the hit.

#2130730 Is anyone else expecting the Wings to hit 100?

Posted by toby91_ca on 16 March 2011 - 10:29 AM

I've been watching for the 50-win season. I believe it would be the 5th season in a row. IIRC, Babcock is one of a few coaches who have had four 50-win seasons (in a row?), but no one has had five. They can do it if they really buckle down on the consistency.

Pretty sure they only won 44 games last year.