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#2130691 Lemieux proposes fines to teams for player suspensions

Posted by toby91_ca on 16 March 2011 - 09:13 AM

You didn't answer my question. You had an issue with me saying enforcers would become essentially a luxury for teams with money. Are those not players you would consider enforcers (in general)?

My point was less about fighting and more about players considered enforcers. The term goon might fit as well.

I didn't even know what your question was....I looked for it. I think your original comment was that often suspensions are the result of fighting, which is completely false. Fine, you've clarified what you were talking about. You are talking about goons, enforcers, whatever you want to call them, as being the guys that are responsible for most of the suspensions.

Well, if you want to look up who has been suspended so far this year, you'll find the following:

- Total suspensions = 30
- By enforcers = 11
- By others = 19

If you want to add cheapshot artist into your list, that will only get a couple more (Cooke and Eager) into the list, so it's still only 13 vs. 16.

Slice it however you want, I'm still not sure what point you are trying to make. No team purposely wants players on their team to take suspensions, so suggesting only the rich teams can do it is silly. The teams that have players who are prone to suspension probably haven't come down on them as hard as they might if the team had to cough up $$$ when they get suspended, that's the idea.

#2130526 Lemieux proposes fines to teams for player suspensions

Posted by toby91_ca on 15 March 2011 - 02:35 PM

k... lemme try this from a different angle.

How would you classify these players?
Matt Cooke, Trevor Gillies, Jody Shelly, Eric Godard, Rick Rypien, Tom Kostopoulos

They are the worst offenders of the year.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make though. Let's take those players as examples:

- Cooke - suspended for hitting from behind
- Gillies - suspended for head shots, two separate times
- Shelley - suspended for hit from behind and for sucker punch
- Godard - suspended for leaving the bench to fight
- Rypien - suspended for altercation with fan
- Kostopoulos - suspended for head shot

I think the idea is that you'd try and get the teams to influence their players not to engage in this type of activity. I doubt you'd have many teams have issue with trying to ensure it's players don't: hit from behind, deliver head shots, sucker punch people or fight with fans. It's a tough sport and sometimes things happen so fast it is tough to avoid, but a lot of the times, it's the matter of making a good decision rather than sucker punching someone or purposely take a shot at someone's head, etc.

#2130440 Brule crushes Letang

Posted by toby91_ca on 15 March 2011 - 08:23 AM

"You CAN GLIDE into a guy, but you can't stride into a guy" - Bill Clement in NHL 11.

Brule didn't stride. He glided. That's not a charge.

I'm assuming you are joking, but just in case, did you really just quote NHL 11 to try and explain a rule?

Gliding vs. striding into a guy has nothing to do with charging or not. Almost all hits happen from a guy "gliding" in as he needs to get his balance set. If you don't glide in, it probably won't work out to well for you.

#2130154 Brule crushes Letang

Posted by toby91_ca on 14 March 2011 - 10:26 AM

Why is this such a big deal anyway? I equate this to arguing about any other bad penalty call. Bad calls or missed calls happen every game. Plus, I can see where someone would call it charging anyway. It's not like he got 5 and a game for it.

#2130134 Brule crushes Letang

Posted by toby91_ca on 14 March 2011 - 09:23 AM

I watched with no sound, so I'm not sure what the announcers were saying. Assuming they were pretty annoying as usual though.

First time I checked, it looked like his right arm and glove was up in the chin area, but it looks okay (pretty close though). Couldn't have been that anyway, if it was, would have been a headshot, more significant penalty.

When looking again and focusing on his skates, he does look to jump into the hit a little. His skates only leave the ice by a very small amount, but it looks like he starting jumping into it before he made contact.

I'll admit, I'm playing devil's advocate and looking for a reason for the call to be legit. My first instinct was that it was clean. After watching it several times, to be honest, I'd be okay with whatever call they made. Since it was only a 2 minute charging call, there's no big deal here.

#2129930 Share of Leafs for sale

Posted by toby91_ca on 13 March 2011 - 12:41 PM

Why would they want to sell?

Because it is an investment company. They are in the business of making investments and then selling them for more than the initial investment. They need to seel at some point in time to monetize their investment.

#2127518 Chara's hit on Pacioretty

Posted by toby91_ca on 09 March 2011 - 10:17 AM

Here are the facts:

- no one can know the intent, anyone suggesting Chara purposely put him into the stantion or anyone suggesting it was purely an accident are simply wrong, they really don't know one way or another. There is no way the video can show this.

- if the player did not get hurt like he did, it would be a 2 minute penalty and no one would be talking about this at all. Because he got hurt, I agree that they probably needed to assess a major and game.

My opinion, I think "results", meaning whether the player is hurt and extent of injury should be factored in to any discipline, but I think it is getting too much weight. I would place more weight on the act itself and in this case, it's hard to judge. I'd probably give him 2 games (simply because of the result). If you compare the Bertuzzi incident to what that Islanders player did against the Pens (not Gillies), it's not all that different, but the results were. Bertuzzi got signficant time (some pleaded for life time ban or longer than what he got) and the Islanders player only got 3-4 games I think. In those situations, I agree for longer time for Bertuzzi because of factoring in results, but I wouldn't place as much weight on that as they currently do.

#2125311 Trevor Gillies

Posted by toby91_ca on 03 March 2011 - 02:17 PM

Clutterbucks hit was worse than Gillies. Only difference is Clutterbuck is one of those players that dishes out the cheap hits but when it happens to him he drops like a lemon.

Gillies did what any player sticking up for a rookie who was hit from behind in his 2nd ever NHL game would do.

Wow! I'm not even sure what to say, but I'll try. I'd call a boarding penalty on Clutterbuck, but the hit wasn't that bad at all. The Isles player was skating up the ice when Clutterbuck committed to the hit and then the Isles player lost control of the puck, looked down and turned towards the boards. Clutterbuck even looks to let up on the hit. You have to blame Clutterbuck here, but those are tough hits to avoid at times and happen on the time.

I highly doubt any player sticking up for a rookie woudl decide the best course of action would be to jump into the guy, with elbows up and drive the guy's head into the glass.

Gillies will get extra time because he's a repeat offender and because he was literally 2 minutes into coming back from a 9 game suspension for the same thing, but if a guy like Lidstrom did the same thing, he'd get suspended too. However, that's a mute point because we all know that Lidstrom would never do that.

#2125228 Trevor Gillies

Posted by toby91_ca on 03 March 2011 - 11:14 AM

Disclaimer: Playing devil's advocate here.

Gilles cares whether Clutterbuck's hit was clean/questionable or not...
That's why he's there... to "protect" young players (DiBenedetto - 22y/o - second game)

...and the incidents are mere moments apart.
They are tied together. Clutterbuck delivers a hit Gilles sees as questionable. He delivers his retaliation/protection.
He's just doing it wrong.

I understand the reason, but I would certainly hope it has no bearing at all in length of suspension.

I'd prefer the response to be a nice clean body check that hurts, but I'd also accept him taking an instigator penatly and lay a beat down on the guy. To do what he did though, is just stupid and exactly what the league is trying to get rid of.

#2100138 Crosby on strike

Posted by toby91_ca on 19 January 2011 - 03:29 PM

Wow, it's like Crosby is having a meltdown and the league is trying to make sure he doesn't kill himself. It's really not that big of a deal. If he's seriously upset about not being picked he clearly has some massive ego issues.


Sweet Jesus, seriously? Crosby gets hit in the head and suddenly they need to ban even incidental hits to the head? I guess whenever someone is coming at you and you have the puck, just crouch so they veer off to avoid hitting your head. I love how things go all nuclear as soon as Crosby gets hurt. Words cannot describe how much I detest that boy and his overall prissy attitude and passive aggressiveness. It's like he knows he has Bettman wrapped around his pinky. Did Gretzky ever pull stuff like this when he played? I only got to see him every now and again, and I knew he had a reputation as a bit of a whiner, but was it this bad?

Are we reading the same stuff????

Where do you get the impression, in any way, shape or form, that Crosby is upset about not being selected? Looks like your massive hate on is blinding you from the facts.

In terms of all the attention his injury is getting, it should....head shots are bad and they'd like to remove them, but it's a tricky subject. The league went nuclear and actually came up with a rule change on the spot after the Cooke hit on Savard.....league hasn't done anything about the Crosby hit, so not sure what you are all worked up about.

I can just imagine the whining we'd be subjected to here if it was Crosby that got hit last year and not Savard and the rule change came because of that....it would be whining of epic proportions. But of course it wasn't him, so no big deal right?

#2094863 Norris turning into "best offensive defenseman"?

Posted by toby91_ca on 10 January 2011 - 10:38 AM

- Pet peave of mine (mentioning since I saw it in this thread about 10 times) - players do not get nominated for the awards, the voters (which are not necessarily the same group of people for each award) simply vote for who they think should win (they normally vote their 1st through 5th place). The thought that a top scoring defenseman would get "nominated" simply because of pts, but probably not win is not true. The 3 guys you see up for the awards are simply those that finished top 3 in voting. No one gives the voters a pool of players to vote from, they vote for whoever they want.

- the league really has no influence over who wins the awards, so saying that the NHL only cares about this or that doesn't make sense and a list compiled by the NHL really doesn't matter when it comes to who will actually win.

- a comment was made about how the top 3 vote getters for the all star game where penguins. Again, the NHL has nothing to do with this. I agree, having Fleury there is stupid, but what are you going do, who cares. Obviously Crosby makes sense and Letang being the top vote getter for defensemen is not unreasonable, he is in the top 4 in scoring (those 4 having pretty similar pt. totals) and he blows everyone else out of the water with +/-. Do I think he's better than Lidstrom? No, but based on those stats, pretty understandable why he'd have a lot of votes.

#2091924 Florida screwed by officials

Posted by toby91_ca on 06 January 2011 - 12:34 PM

The Brad May one was the whole intent to blow crap, that's not an issue here. So what I don't understand is why Toronto didn't call down and inform them that the puck was in thet net. The ref doesn't need to request a review for this to happen.

I think what the ref was thinking was that even if it made it's way into the net, it shouldn't count because the Panther player was jabbing at the goalie's pads while he had it covered. Of course, the puck was already in the net at that point (went in off the initial shot). So, I can kinda see why the ref didn't go to review, but I still don't understand why the war room didn't call down to say it was a goal, I'm confused.

Yeah, the video here is bad, but I have to imagine Toronto has an angle that shows it more clearly.

#2089133 Is Basketball a Canadian sport?

Posted by toby91_ca on 02 January 2011 - 11:26 AM

I'm still trying to figure out why it being American vs. Canadian has any impact on whether it is a better sport or not......confused.

#2074766 Another obviously blown call?

Posted by toby91_ca on 09 December 2010 - 10:46 AM

Dude, ice is slippery.

Also, trying to hold onto your stick with hockey gloves on is almost impossible. If any of you had ever played hockey, you'd know that FFS.

1) Doesn't really matter if it was intentional or not, it's like highsticking, you still have to make the call.

2) I have been playing hockey for 28 years now and I can honestly say that my stick has almost never left my hand, other than when someone slashes it out of my hand (which hasn't happend much either), I can't even remember a single instance where I lost my stick. I'm sure it's happened several times, but obviously not that often. So, holding on to your stick with hockey glove is actually pretty easy. If you find it almost impossible, maybe you should consider changing your gloves, or maybe the way you tape your stick needs to change.

#2074157 Datsyuk in the Hart conversation

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 December 2010 - 04:37 PM

With Crosby, it's not only the point totals, his defensive game is actually pretty good. He's improved year after year, which is largely not noticeable, but this year, a lot of people are actually noticing his defensive game.

He's not going to win the selke this year and is not on the same level as Dats yet in terms of defensive game, but I woudln't be surprised if he gets there at some point in the next few years, he just seems to have an uncanny ability to go away during the summer and work on a part of the game people think is lacking and comes back for the next season vastly improved in that area.