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#2555070 It's gotta be asked....What's up with Hank?

Posted by toby91_ca on 09 December 2014 - 11:36 AM

It may be tough to admit, but I think both D and Z are beyond their prime years.  Both will still have stretches of greatness, but I don't think either would sustain for a real lengthy period of time.  It's just the way things work. 

#2554816 Jonathan Bernier - Nelson Mandela Comments

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 December 2014 - 11:52 AM

The issue isn't really that he had no clue who Mandela was.  While that is crazy to think, not totally unbelievable as a lot of these guys would have been totally focused on their crafts from a very young age...spending little to no time staying up on current events.


So, he'd get a pass from me for not knowing.  The issue I have is that he was attending a red carpet type event honoring an individual....you'd think he'd take a few minutes to understand the guy he was going to honor.  On top of that, he made it worse by trying to make something up to avoid embarrassment.

#2549180 Malkin hit on Girardi

Posted by toby91_ca on 16 November 2014 - 11:01 AM

I don't mind the scuffle at all....who cares of it's dirty or clean?  You don't want your players getting drilled like that.  If Crosby got lit up like that on a perfectly clean hit, if there is no response, then I can easily write that team off as having no chance of success.

#2548719 A couple of misses....

Posted by toby91_ca on 13 November 2014 - 09:29 AM

If you bring up Goodrow's offensive stats as a good argument for him, then it's really a non-starter.  He only got to over 1ppg in his 5th year in the league at the age of 21.  Normally, guys at that age, in that league, are dominating.....oh, and they aren't going very far either because if they were, they wouldn't still be in junior.


Now, that doesn't mean he won't or can't be an effective NHLer, but I can certainly see why he wasn't drafted and if he were to do well, it would be in spite of how he did in junior.  I definitely would not point to his goal scoring in junior as an argument to why he might have some upside.

#2548582 Ranking Wings Players by Draft Order

Posted by toby91_ca on 11 November 2014 - 03:32 PM

You won't find many teams with their best players picked so low because most teams best players are a lot younger, so it would be tough for a very low pick to be such an impact player that quickly.  It was 3 years after they were drafted before either Datsyuk, or Zetterberg would play in the NHL....Datsyuk was also already 20 when he was drafted.  Most of the top players these days are in the NHL the year after they are drafted with the elite of elite making it the year of their draft.


I think size has been a big issue over the years, especially in the 80s....you find several examples of hall of famers that were drafted very low or not at all.  Today's game is more about speed than size, but size is still very important (just not as important as it was 30 years ago).


Also impacting drafting with non-North American players was whether they would ever come to play....so you'd see guys like Fedorov and Lidstrom drafted so low because it was a risk to take them, much different now.


I think size was the issue for both Datsyuk and Zetterberg.  Datsyuk was always seen as flashy, but I know I questioned whether he had what it took to be an effective NHLer.  There have been dazzling stickhandlers in the past, but that's not what will make you a great player in the NHL...so there was a bit of that with him.


Then, there's always the excuse that the draft is a crapshoot most of the time when you are trying to project guys who are only 18.  There are rarely sure bets.

#2542793 Toronto Radio: Illitch is selling everything and Babs will be Leafs GM

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 October 2014 - 11:01 AM

I'm not ready to give Yzerman too much credit yet for any of Tampa's success.  He's been there for 4 years, the first year they went to the conference finals, but not much of that was due to anything Yzerman did, it was mostly due to the play of St. Louis and Stamkos.  The second year he was there they missed the playoffs.  The third year he was there they missed the playoffs.  The fourth year he was there they were eliminated in the first round.


I think they are starting to come around now, but again, that's more to do with Stamkos' maturation as well as Hedman starting to come into his own as well (both of whom were drafted before Yzerman came around).

#2538821 23 man roster set... say hi to your 2014/15 Wings

Posted by toby91_ca on 07 October 2014 - 02:49 PM

Interesting that Holland has so much power here.  Maybe it's changed over the years, but I would have thought that the coach is the guy that ultimately picks the roster and the GM would source the players.  Obviously both would have input on both processes, but in this case, looks like it's almost like Holland brings the players to camp and selects the 23 that will be on the roster and then Babcock is free to choose the 20 that dress every night.


I'm sure Babcock has more influence than that though....no way he'd stick around if he didn't.

#2538641 Datsyuk to play Thursday? Weiss to be a healthy scratch?

Posted by toby91_ca on 06 October 2014 - 08:19 PM

One of the dumbest things I've ever read:



Detroit finished 16th last season in both goals-for per-game (2.65) and total goals scored (217)

#2537263 Datsyuk 2nd degree separated shoulder injury - out approx 4 weeks

Posted by toby91_ca on 25 September 2014 - 08:42 AM

This probably isn't the best example of a hit to use to complain about not having someone to back up teammates and deter hits against the star players.  This was a normal play that you see several times a game.  I think part of the probably was Dats stretching out his arm and reaching around to try and get the puck, leaving the shoulder at the wrong angle to take impact.


In terms of "payback" for clean hits on star players....I really don't have much of a problem with it to be honest...to a point of course.  Hitting is part of the game, but you still want your star players to avoid as many hits as you can and if you have the other team think twice before even laying a clean hit....then that's good.  If you look back at the 80s, Gretzky had to deal with a lot of hooks and holds, but not hits.  He barely got touched.

#2536956 Did the Wings change the font on their jerseys?

Posted by toby91_ca on 23 September 2014 - 08:23 AM

I was half thinking this must be a joke before I clicked on the thread....but based on past experience, I couldn't really be sure.

#2536766 Barry Trotz Wants Ovechkin to be more like Yzerman

Posted by toby91_ca on 22 September 2014 - 05:27 PM

I think it is a little too simplistic to look at Bowman getting Yzerman to focus on defense and that resulting in a drop in Yzerman's offensive production.  My honest opinion is that I don't think his production was impacted too significantly from his attention to the defensive end.  A lot of people might say that if you play great defense, it will give you more time with the puck to play offense.


I think Yzerman played in a unique era within the history of the game.  A good part of his prime was during the highest scoring era in league history and his increased age came during the lowest scoring era in league history....which made his drop in production look more significant.

#2535749 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 September 2014 - 01:08 PM

In terms of his birthday...yes, if he was born 1 month earlier, he would have just finished his 4th full year in junior.  He turned 18 before his 50 goal season even began (so it wasn't 50 goals as a 17/18 year old). 


I kinda feel like I'm putting the guy down now, which is not the intent...I'm simply suggesting that I wouldn't put much stock in his junior stats.


Going back to his birthdate and other comments around size...I'd probably even those two out.  I agree that it takes a bit longer for a guy his size to develop, so being close to 1 year older than a lot in his draft year may not be as big of a deal.  However, one could look at his size and suggest it is easier for him to dominate against guys that are much smaller at 17 and 18 years old....but it likely won't help when he makes the jump to the next level.

#2535723 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 September 2014 - 10:50 AM

I'm cautiously excited about Mantha...however, I don't put much stock at all in his 120 points in the QMJHL.  I am a bit excited though as the production didn't completely come out of nowhere...he was seen to have enough ability to be drafted at 20th overall.


In terms of Junior stats though, I almost always ignore them unless they are put up by someone in their first couple years in junior and are clearly leading the pack (e.g. Crosby, Lindros, etc.).  If you have a look at Daigle as an example....I think most think he put up huge stats, blew everyone out of the water, was drafted 1st overall and was a bust.  In reality, he never lead the league in scoring in Junior (was never top 2).  He probably went 1st overall though and came with a lot of hype because he put up very high scoring stats as a 2nd year player (even though not leading the league).


If you go back and look at scoring stats in junior, most leading scorers are guys in their 3rd and 4th years and most of those guys don't go on to have spectacular NHL careers.......so I really look for the ones that are putting up huge stats early in junior or I most ignore the stats (which is tough to do).

#2534694 Datsyuk or Fedorov?

Posted by toby91_ca on 21 August 2014 - 02:52 PM

1. In answering for myself, Fedorov was the better player.  In terms of Wings fans in general, I wouldn't be surprised if more said Datsyuk, for several reasons: he didn't have a nasty exit from the team, for a long time now (at forward), the team has been him and Zetterberg, there were more greats around in Fedorov's day + timing thing, Datsyuk's more current.


2. Fedorov should get in fairly easily, but his offensive stats tailed off (under 1ppg, under 500 goals), but he was better all around than anyone + playoff stats are good and he has the major awards to back him up.  Also, being the highest scoring Russian in league history will help.  Ovechkin will likely pass him, Datsyuk won't, but either way, Fedorov will have held that title for many years.


3. I'm honestly not sure about Datsyuk getting in.  Then again, it's always hard to say.  There are worse players in than Datsyuk, but there are also better players that haven't made it.

#2533184 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by toby91_ca on 28 July 2014 - 02:59 PM

The only problem I have with these types of deals is that the player will always earn more than they should.  Sign for a few years that you grow into, then you sign your next deal that overpays early again for you to grow into it, etc.  Perhaps they'll be a bargain by the end of the deal, but what about the years leading up to the end of the deal?  I'm using hypotheticals now, but if a player signs for 5 years that turns out to be a bargain in the last year or 2, it doesn't change the fact that he was overpaid for the majority of the contract. 


In Tatar's case, I don't think that is a big issue though as even if he is overpaid for the entire thing, a 3-year, $2.75M contract is not going to cause any issues.  It's the long-term, high dollar contracts that suck.