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#2483131 NHL players will not participate in 2018 Olympics (Mod Post #99)

Posted by toby91_ca on 10 February 2014 - 10:27 AM

Guess what NHL ? The players if they want to will go anyways but after seeing the conditions in Sochi I'm not surprised if some would pull out of that. Add to the that the ridiculous time difference (games at 6am anyone?!). Multi billonaires can't stand a standstill for two weeks unbelievable how greedy some of them are, must be a pleasure to work for them in normal life...


Can't wait till players are asking for olympic clauses *g*

How many other businesses do you know of that would shut down so their employees can go off and do something else without any benefit of all coming back to the company?  Initially, the idea was that the participation would help grow the game globally, but I don't think there is much impact at all from that.


I don't see it as a greed thing, I see it as a common sense thing.  There is no reason, whatsoever, for the owners to want to do it again in the future.  Will the players want to?  Sure, why not?  I'm not sure how important it is to them, but if it is important, it becomes a negotiation item with the league.  If the league agrees to it, what do the players give up in return?

#2478787 Is it 1970 again?

Posted by toby91_ca on 29 January 2014 - 04:54 PM

I do think there is trouble brewing with the team with the departures of D & Z, which is coming sooner than most hope.  Regardless of when they stop playing, they are in decline now and likely subject to potential injury concerns.  It's a fact of life and comes with age.  There are very, very few exceptions to that.  Lidstrom was one of the exceptions, his game didn't decline too much and he wasn't susceptible to injury too much either....mostly because of the style of game he played (wasn't centred around speed or physical play).  You don't have that same scenario with Z & D. 


That said, not sure I'd start thinking there is a paralell with the Dead Wings era because of the era we are in now, it's easier to rebuild.  Teams are much more competitive, the worst teams are not that much worse than the best teams.  From a points perspective, some of that is artificial because of the points system, but some of it is just pure factual due to the spreading around of talent.  Teams can't load up on all the superstars anymore due to the cap.  Of course, you could look at it being increasingly difficult to make the playoffs as well due to the competitive nature of the league as well.

#2476508 Stamkos vs Tavares

Posted by toby91_ca on 24 January 2014 - 11:57 AM

Before he got hurt this season:

17 GP 14G 9A 23pts

Wouldve scored 60 and won the rocket richard if he played all season. And probably competed with sid for points due to tampas major increase in offense this year. Just based on his on pace numbers.

Oh well. Next season...

Pretty small sample size to start projecting whether he's be competing for points race, but based on history and start to the season, pretty reasonable to think he'd be right there in goals.


However, Tavares currently is competing with Sid for points.  Granted, he's been really hot lately and needed 8pts in 2 nights to creep up there and he's still trailing by a signficant amount, so he might cool off and fade away, not sure.  Tavares has always been a great player, but right around a point per game.  The question is: is he just on a really hot streak now and wil even out a bit down the stretch, or is he having his break out year?  The latter might be more likely, since he is only 23 (same for Stamkos actually)

#2474589 Injuries + The League = Money.

Posted by toby91_ca on 20 January 2014 - 06:26 PM

Economics 101 suggests that if costs go down, supply increases, and prices fall, unless demand is totally inelastic (that is if the public doesn't care how much the tix cost and would buy the same number at any price) all other things being equal..

Economics 101 does not work here.  If costs go down, supply does not increase....there are still only X players per team.  A decrease in costs is not going to increase the number of players on a team and is not going to change the number of games being played.


The public is not going to decide that a game is not worth as much as they were paying before because of a decrease in costs.  In fact, you might even consider tickets to be more valuable if costs go down as a result of avoided injuries (i.e. star players playing more often).


They aren't selling widgets here.

#2471336 It's time - to predict 2014 Team Canada

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 January 2014 - 11:28 AM

In 2010 Nash was a beast. He was playing in a two way role then as he will be this year. Some players seem to rise to the occasion when playing for their country. Nash is that type of player. I am not a big fan of his but I give credit where its due. 



In 2010 Nash was a beast. He was playing in a two way role then as he will be this year. Some players seem to rise to the occasion when playing for their country. Nash is that type of player. I am not a big fan of his but I give credit where its due. 

I would probably go as far as to say that Nash, from that roster, has the best international reputation/past experience than anyone.

#2470485 World Juniors Tourney Thread

Posted by toby91_ca on 04 January 2014 - 10:49 AM

Most guys would throw their stick and go down from a high stick to the face....not sure why, but it's pretty much the norm.  The difference here is that he threw his glove off too.  I'm not too quick to jump on him as maybe he was scared there were dental issues there....but from that lightly of a tap I doubt it and the Russians do have a very bad rep for this type of thing.

#2462558 Shawn Thornton attacks Orpik (leaves game on stretcher)

Posted by toby91_ca on 09 December 2013 - 04:32 PM

Shanahan is such a joke. How can one justify not even looking at the hit from Orpik


How could one justify looking at the hit from Orpik?  Absolutely nothing wrong with it, about as clean as you get.  The only argument that could be made is whether or not there is interference as he didn't have the puck, but the puck was coming to him and he didn't get it.  Either way, that argument, by no means, creates an argument for suspension.


He got hurt on the play because he fell back and hit his head on the ice, didn't look like Orpik made contact with his head at all....shoulder dead on chest/shoulder.

#2453560 Overtime modifications on table at GMs meeting.

Posted by toby91_ca on 14 November 2013 - 10:22 AM

Get rid of the shootout altogether, no point for losing in overtime, problem solved. Not sure why they refuse to go that route. Teams will play to win if they don't get anything. There's no reason to treat a loss in overtime as a half win

So, you are suggesting going back to potentially ending with ties or extending overtime until someone wins?  Your comment isn't clear.  If it is the former, your suggestion that teams will play to win likely wrong.  In that scenario, teams will play not to lose so they can keep that single point from a tie.

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#2453467 What Did Pierre McGuire Want from Henrik Zetterberg?

Posted by toby91_ca on 13 November 2013 - 04:44 PM

Looks like Pierre asks for an interview and the response is "Now???" and shakes his head.

#2450745 This months mathchups - Predictions!

Posted by toby91_ca on 04 November 2013 - 01:48 PM

I expect a good month...12 games, 9 of which are at home.

#2449424 Franzen believes hes playing well.

Posted by toby91_ca on 01 November 2013 - 10:18 AM

This has been bothering me for a long time, is it just me?  Everytime I come on here I look at his face amongst all the other Wings' greats.  I'm okay with Datsyuk and Zetterberg being there, they are the current faces of the frachise and are worthy....but Franzen, to me, just looks so out of place.

#2449252 Varlamov Arrested

Posted by toby91_ca on 31 October 2013 - 08:51 AM

I wonder where were you when one drunk idiot killed his freind and has been seeing lot of ice since...

If you are talking about Heatley, I'm pretty sure alcohol was not a factor.

#2442948 Fedorov lacing up the skates Friday

Posted by toby91_ca on 10 October 2013 - 08:06 AM

A league MVP twenty years ago with 120 points you would've thought that he'd remain a point-per-game for the rest of his career. I wonder what happened.

While not talked about much, I wonder what impact concussions may have had on his production.

Federov is reportedly playing for CSKA Moscow on Friday.


Link: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=433754


Weird to think he's only the same age as Selanne. This is something I'd like to see.

What's weird about him only being the same age as Selanne?  He's actually a year older and at this point, Selanne has only played 1 more year than Fedorov...will be 2 after this year.  Fedorov actually played in the NHL until he was 39 and then played a few more years in the KHL after that.

#2442669 Will young talent ever speak out against Wings philosophy?

Posted by toby91_ca on 08 October 2013 - 12:37 PM

The philosophy isn't just a Wings' way, most teams do this.  Having someone like Crosby come along and enter the league at 18 is a rarity.  I think his year, he was the only player to play the year in the NHL right after being drafted.  The fact is that the vast majority of players simply need further development.  In Crosby's case, he'd play regardless of who drafted him, in other cases, it might be a matter of how desperate the drafting team is (i.e. Edmonton) - a lot of those younger players would benefit from more development.


The Wings situation has been two-fold: 1) they aren't drafting top end talent due to draft position and 2) they haven't been desperate to inject new talent....things could change of course.

#2430666 Rule 48: not working as planned.

Posted by toby91_ca on 18 July 2013 - 01:11 PM

I would not be surprised at all if total consussions actually decreased and it's just that the undetected concussions decreased that much more, which makes it appear as though concussions increased.....if you follow what I'm saying