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#2430146 Ilya Kovalchuk announces retirement

Posted by toby91_ca on 15 July 2013 - 11:57 AM

I don't like someone being able to simply retire (i.e. get out of "x" year contract) and go sign another contract with a team in another league.  I guess if NJ was against that happening they could block it.

#2419002 Rules regarding salary

Posted by toby91_ca on 10 June 2013 - 10:48 AM

Should be no real rules...but I can't say for sure.  Selanne and Kariya did sign for way below market value several years ago.  Under a different CBA though.  The biggest stubbling block would be NHLPA pressure if someone were to sign way below market value I'd think.  I guess the NHL could choose not to approve such a contract as well, but not sure what grounds they'd have (also, it would go against their focus of keeping player costs down)

#2417906 Visors Required - New NHL Players in '13-'14

Posted by toby91_ca on 05 June 2013 - 02:39 PM

That's the thing, if a guy doesn't care about possibly losing his sight, I think it should be his choice whether to wear one or not. I don't hate visors. There's no reason to. I just think the players should make the choice for themselves.

I have no problem with that line of thought, if the consequencies only impact the person making that decision.  But that is clearly not the case here.


If you thik about it, why is there are there speed limits?  It's not really to protect the individual driver, it's to protect all the other innocent people in proximity of that driver.  If you left it up to that driver to decide how fast he drove, the risk he would take on in driving way too fast is impacting a lot more individuals than just himself.

#2417822 Visors Required - New NHL Players in '13-'14

Posted by toby91_ca on 05 June 2013 - 11:22 AM

Consideration of any other angle beyond this is irrelevant.  Edit....the biggest thing for me, which you haven't mentioned, is the risk of losing the player and the time and money invested in said player.  Your argument related to cost and insurance, etc. is good, but for me, I'd be more concerned about losing franchise player that I thought I'd have for another 10-15 years.


Yes, yes, your very clever. :clap:


To be clear, there are two separate angles that this needs to be considered.  First, the health insurance aspect and the fact that the team is on the line to foot the bill if the player get's hurt. From this angle, I understand the owners wanting the rule and can offer no argument.


#2417781 Visors Required - New NHL Players in '13-'14

Posted by toby91_ca on 05 June 2013 - 08:24 AM

No Hit League

NCL N o C hoice L eague


grown up men being told what to wear lmao this league is becoming m,ore and more of a big fat joke.

I don't really mean much offense by this, but you are exhibiting a clear lack of understanding of all the factors at play here.


Firstly, this doesn't happen if the Players Association didn't agree to it...they did.


Secondly, if the players were to play for free and waive 100% liability of anyone involved (rink, team, league, etc.), then sure, no one would care, let the guy do what he wants.  HOWEVER, that is not the case.  The players are being paid very significant amounts of money, teams want to protect their investments and rightfully so.  Someone might say they shouldn't care, they have insurance, but that just saves them a bit of money in the future should something happen....it doesn't give them the player back.  Also, if everyone was wearing visors, I'm sure their insurance premiums would decrease.


I'm sorry, but the extreme short-sighted views that grown men should be able to decide (it's their life) annoys me to no end.

#2416661 2013 Thank You Hockeytown - Player Message

Posted by toby91_ca on 31 May 2013 - 07:23 PM

Dats doesn't sound much like a guy that's spent the last 10+ years in North America

#2412633 hypothetically what would we have to trade to get the 2nd and 3rd over

Posted by toby91_ca on 27 May 2013 - 02:48 PM

Wasn't this exact impossibility already discussed?

#2405913 Kane, Moulson, St. Louis up for Lady Byng

Posted by toby91_ca on 16 May 2013 - 09:21 PM

Why notFilppula instead of Kane?

Sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with high standard of playing ability......I think Mr. Filppula was missing the last piece.


I think the voters are simply looking at stats here and see that Kane has low penalty minutes.....but that doesn't always tell the whole story.  I was shocked when I saw his name as well.

#2400886 Norris Finalists announced: Letang, Subban, Suter

Posted by toby91_ca on 10 May 2013 - 09:46 AM

Suban wins. How much of season did he miss?

I can't find a single reason to think Subban should win

#2400877 Ovechkin -- Laziest Play Ever

Posted by toby91_ca on 10 May 2013 - 09:22 AM

So the other four Capital skaters cannot clear the zone, get back into position (to the point of colliding with each other), and stop the three Rags putting on a clinic... but it is Ovenchin's fault? Got it.

You must be a huge Ovechkin fan with out sense of objectivity here....even then, I have no idea how anyone could possibly avoid criticising him here.  No one is saying is was his fault, the other 4 players might not have done a good job, but they were trying.


The complaining here isn't because Ovechkin screwed up, it is because he showed a complete and utter lack of effort....it was disgusting.

#2397221 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by toby91_ca on 06 May 2013 - 06:50 AM

I have to be honest, I don't understand the argument here.  Abby's hit was pretty clearly bad, the only argument should be on how many games.  I thought it was worse than the hit on Eller, different result though.  You could argue whether the head was the principle point of contact, but it was blind side and he launched himself way in the air + had head contact.  I didn't see Shanny's video, but pretty clear suspension to me.

#2395218 Refs this series!

Posted by toby91_ca on 03 May 2013 - 10:27 AM

I will admit that I will occasionally scream out while watching a game when I think a ref missed a call to put the Wings on the PP, but that's mostly emotion and bias jumping out in the moment. 


I actually avoid the actual Game topics becuse the level of whining in there about officiating drives me insane.  The bias that goes on it off the charts.  If that's coming from a Wings' fan like me, I cringe to think what a fan of the opposing team would be saying if they came over and partipated in those topics.  They'd probably walk away thinking we were the whiniest fan base on the plant.


Okay, now that I've gotten that off my chest, I can be logical and assume I'd see a similar trend when I went to any other team site.....it's bias and it's logical to complain about officiating.


At the end of the day, I think the refs do a really good job, they make mistakes every now and then, but I try to stay away from whining that they are missing all the penalties committed by the opposing team and calling our team for phantom calls.

#2394051 Eller Destroyed

Posted by toby91_ca on 02 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

Heave you ever been bodychecked that hard? You don't always have control as you are stunned, concussion or otherwise. He did look out before he hit the ice though. TSN guys clearly show why it is clean and a bogus call.

And the ref clearly made the call after the injury. No matter what that is not how you call a penalty. And the no hit league comments are warranted, there is far too many overreactions to physicality in the NHL right now. 

I have managed to avoid being hit hard most of my life, but yes, I've been hit fairly hard a few times and never have been stunned to the point I don't have control of my body to brace myself....that only comes from a head shot.  If you look at the replay from behind the Eller approaching the blueline.  His head is CLEARLY the first part of his body to take contact if you are looking to see an inch of movement on any part of his body.  At a minimum, it's not cut and dry, especially at full speed, so I'm not sure how you can get on the ref too much here.


Lastly, have you played any games in the NHL in the last couple years?  If not, I'd be interested in what you'd think if you went and played a couple weeks...would you come back thinking that there is not much hitting?

Looks like principle point of contact was to the head.  Sure, it was a suicide pass, but that doesn't give the guy free reign to hit to the head - that's flawed logic.   I was surprised to hear the CBC guys say it was clean.  I think they were focusing too much on the interference call, which they correctly pointed out was the wrong call.  If it is a hit to the head, and it sure looks like it, it seems completely suspendable.  If Ference gets one game for his love tap to Grabovski, this surely deserves something.


This wasn't a bodycheck, it was a shoulder to the head.

I saw it definitely as shoulder to head as well, but I guess I'm confused now after watching Fraser's analysis on TSN.  The head was hit first, with the shoulder, but not principle point of contact because there was enough of the rest of the body involved...confusing if you ask me.

#2393920 Eller Destroyed

Posted by toby91_ca on 02 May 2013 - 08:35 PM

His face clearly bounces off the ice.

Sens have had all the momentum since the hit.

His face doesn't bounce off the ice if he simply gets hit in the chest.  He was clearly knocked out from the hit, otherwise he would have been able to brace himself.  Just watching the TSN analysis on it now, they thinking it was a clean hit, but it's hard to tell.  If you look at the replay from one side, looks like the head is the first part of the body hit.  I guess what they are saying is that as long as you also are hitting enough of the body as well, it's clean because the head doesn't become the "principle" point of contact.


What I'll say though, I have no problem with the call made at full speed, it looked bad.

Am I the only one that is starting to get really annoyed with the No Hitting League comment everytime someone gets called for a questionable hit?  It's getting really tired.  There is still tons of hitting in this league, there is no attempt to remove hitting from the league, all that is being done is to try and protect players from having their lives altered (which concussions can do).  What is wrong with that.


Will refs occassionally make a bad call?  Sure....so what?  Happens in several other instances as well.

#2393295 Pasha's Legacy

Posted by toby91_ca on 01 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

 players like Fedorov and Lindros still on the outside looking in? 

Fedorov isn't eligible until 2015.


Lindros definitely deserves to be there and I'm sure he'll get in soon enough.  If it weren't for injuries, he might be considered up there with the all time greats.  Injuries didn't keep others from getting in.  With Lindros, I always compare to Neely, Lindros deserves to be there much more than Neely as far as I'm concerned.

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