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Any McSorely references related to the Miller attempted slash are R-E-tarded.

Listening to Lucic's postgame interview makes it worse. First tries to make the excuse that he wasn't looking, then bracing himself, because there was supposedly nothing he could do. Then, make a comment that (I'm paraphrasing) "If that happened to our goaltender we would have taken care of it, but we're a different team then they are". Essentially, yeah, he did it, but what are they going to do about it?

Wrong attitude to have. Difference between grit and goon.

Mixed feelings for sure, but here they are:

- Love Miller, but think goaltenders sometimes put themselves in situations where they should be considered a skater at least to some degree.
- This is not one of those situations, Miller cleared the puck, Lucic finished afterwards. A goalie is a goalie, these aren't new rules.
- Great to hear Miller react to the hit in a way other than it being 'unfortunate' or 'reckless', speak your mind. Love candid players.
- Hate Boston, like the way Lucic plays and would love him on the Wings, but he has the propensity for dumb, reckless plays like this.
- Immediately just outright hated the play because of the Boston homers. Seriously, worst in hockey by a wide margin.
- Looking forward to some sort of backlash, either on Lucic, Miller, or both, but there shouldn't be. Tape describing why it was dumb. Done.

Bertuzzi not playing!!  

yeah buddy! lol

Brunnstrom has been recalled and will play tonight

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2011/11/red_wings_recall_fabian_brunns.html

Just read this on MLive and rushed to LGW ... best news I've heard all year!

Go Wings! Play well, win, and force Babcock to keep Bert out !

Goals by Franzen, White, and Lidstrom

Yippee, the Canucks are up 2-0 on the Boston Bruins

I think it was assumed nearly any team coming out of the West would handle the Eastern Champs, especially the Bruins. The Bruins are the Canucks sans offense. Which is to say: the Bruins are a team held together by a goaltender who is great right up until  they choke ferociously. Canucks held serve, and it will be interesting to see if Luongo still has some weak ones left in him. If not, congrats, you've won your first cup in 40 seasons, pat yourself on the back

The funniest thing about this is your thinly veiled inferiority complex that beckons you to come post on a RED WINGS board about the Canucks. Its appropriate that you sound EXACTLY like a CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS fan. Enjoy your "dynasty" haha.

Jiri Hudler never came back from Russia. You said it well, he worked up from GR, played well despite his size and then the summer of 2009. Waited it out, handcuffing the Wings in free agency, left, and came back supposed to be a difference maker and failed miserably. Last night was possibly his worst game yet even when you don't mention the clumsy blind-siding of an actually effective player in Dan Cleary. He was called upon to take on big minutes, especially with the extra man and between him and Rafalski, managed to render all Red Wings powerplays worthless.

I agree with the firing squad comment. Either way, give me Miller, Eaves, or Draper any day, and I have no idea why we couldn't have played Modano. Still baffles me, but that's Babcock's issue. Trade or waive Hudler, at least with Filppula's contract we get solid defensive skill, more hustle, and equal/greater offensive capability.

I don't want to make a mountain out of a mole-hill in this situation, but nothing gets under my skin like a spot-picking sucker puncher. At the end of Game 4, 5 seconds left, Clowe clocks Abdelkader with several gloved punches right off the draw, then proceeds to lay into him with more as the clueless linesman tries to tie up Abdelkader. This is the kind of crap that I believe has no place in the game of hockey and should be cracked down on. I'm pro fighting, pro nastiness, but this premeditated cheapshot crap is infuriating. Both players got double minors for roughing on the scorecard and that was that. The way I see it, that is the exact spirit of the "instigator in the last minutes equals automatic suspension" rule (the one conveniently overrided in 2009 when Malkin jumped Z). And then I'm reading an article about Lidstrom on MLive and I see this in the notes:

Sharks forward Ryane Clowe picked a fight with Justin Abdelkader following a faceoff at the end of the game and landed numerous punches. But both players received double minors for roughing.

“Just a little scrum,'' Clowe said. “I wish it was (Niklas) Kronwall lined up against me. Oh well.”

So the intent to goon was there in a losing effort due to frustration, he would have liked to go after one of our top two defensemen but he ended up having to settle on Abdelkader.

Full article: http://www.mlive.com...dstrom_put.html

what about late in the first or early in the 2nd when abdelkader got drilled from behind into the boards? i don't remember who did it to him, but it was about 10 times worse than what bertuzzi actually did.

Thank you! I was watching Versus with the Sharks homer feed (convenient) and saw Abdelkader, perhaps about 3-5 feet from the boards when a Shark took a good run at him between the numbers and Abdelkader was shaken up a bit. Of course the crowd cheered, the refs called it a good play (convenient), and the Sharks homer TV guys didn't mention it. I know Rafalski and Cleary also received a similar run that was a lot worse than the bump Bertuzzi laid.

I by no means thought that the Wings played well for the majority of last night, and some may say the "better team" won, but they won by being gifted powerplays because of inconsistent officiating most likely because they were trailing as the home team. As TSN's Bob McKenzie says all the time "deserves got nothing to do with it". Wish the refs would have decided the Wings "deserved" it in 2006 when they outplayed Edmonton and still lost. Being the "better team" helped them WIN the game, but had it not been for the refs, they never would have TIED the game.

The refs let the Sharks hit numbers and aim high all night, not whistling jack, and then when the game was on the line late, they decided to call something less egregious than any of those in favor of the trailing team, which lead to the tying goal, AFFECTING THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME.

Used to be I would see penalties like that let go all game and think: "good, less penalties, less powerplays, they are letting the players decide it". Nowadays I think: "Let a hooking go on the opposition, the Wings will get called for a hooking to tie it. Missed a high stick drawing blood on the opposition, Wings will get a high stick to lose it. Let Holmstrom get slashed, cross-checked, punched outside the crease all game....."

Inconsistent (convenient) officiating ruins games, and it ruined one last night.

I'm not sure what his name is and I don't have the time/give-a-damn to look up his name, but we all know Boston's TV announcer to be one of the worst EVER. The often over-dramatic, always ignorant homer is laughable to hear in the background of Bruins highlights. But it gets worse....

http://www.collegehu...speaks-his-mind

Also, he looks like a much bigger weasel than his voice suggests.

Haha...  What a bunch of bullcrap.  "We're worried about the safety of our players."  You should probably be more worried about that deal you made with the devil.

Headshots, horrible/suspicious officiating, cap-circumvention, and Red Wings tradition: NHL pet peeves.

I think its hilarious with all of the other problems in the league, THIS becomes an issue. Holmstrom is practically assaulted in front of the net every night and he is lucky if HE doesn't get a penalty. We are instructing law enforcement to fine FANS?

Five or more octopi on the ice a game, and the Joe STILL has the best ice in the league. Osgood made a great point at the end of the video on MLive. Look at the season finale in Chicago and the game in San Jose last night, there are no standards for the conditions of the ice. I don't think I saw the puck lay flat once after the first period last night. Lets talk about that.

Which is more likely to cause injury to a player: a) dozens of slashes and crosschecks, b) toe-picking on poor ice conditions because Celine Dion and the Bulls had a back-to-back the night before, c) octopus gunk

Hint: the answer is C.  

We should have a pool and bet on it with the proceeds to go to help pay fines.

Franzen has been suspect all season. He doesn't skate, he doesn't drive the net, if he doesn't have a shot at a high-slot wrister he seems not to care at all and gives up on the play. He has been the biggest disappointment this season by far, in my opinion.

This is a guy who has the job security of an elite 40+ goal, 70+ point power-forward, but until this season he has relied on potential, the what-if of a full, healthy season. Well here we are, full healthy season, and he phones it in. I say it as much as anyone, regular season is nothing compared to the playoffs, and we've yet to see how he'll play this season, but the trend doesn't look good.

Coming into this season I was a huge Mule fan, thought it was really his time to shine and he has played completely dull. He tends to score his goals 2+ at a time and then drop off the map for a chunk of the schedule. I can't say he has really helped the Wings win many at all this season. Also remember that he had a huge 5-goal night - which was equal parts skill, luck, and "wow, I scored, maybe I should play like I actually give a damn" - and without that he is sitting at 22 goals on the season. When 18% of your total goals are scored in one game of an 82 game schedule, and you don't have the playmaking and defensive ability/effort of Zetterberg or Datsyuk, you might be playing below your pay-grade.

Something has got to change pretty quick, and stay that way, or else this is going to be a long 12 years. If he is phoning it in during his prime, what happens in 3 or 4 years?

Seriously? First off, the Hawk were without "Wings-Killer" Patrick Sharp, and secondly, what exactly did you see in this game that I didn't that would give you any indication that Detroit could beat Chicago, because I thought they pretty much outplayed Detroit from the first minute to the last. And I won't resort to blaming the refs. A. Bert deserved to be thrown out, and B. that was a penalty on Zetterberg.

Listen, I don't want to sound like I'm putting the Wings down, because they are still an elite team... and my team... but I just think Chicago is better. They're younger, faster, and more creative. They do everything on the powerplay and in the open ice that I am always screaming for the Wings to do. But hey, spin anyway you want. Yes, Datsyuk makes a lot of difference... but really, too much difference, if you ask me. This team shouldn't depend on one player as much as Detroit seems to depend on Datsyuk. And its not like Detroit had nothing to play for. Do you really want to open a series with San Jose in their house after last season? I don't

Your troll is showing.

Horrible powerplay, all night. But really, that was as blatant and obvious of a dive I've ever seen a zebra bite on, and I've see Crosby play.

Great job on the last two goals by Howard..... Really thought he was turning the corner, then goal in the last minute of period 1 (not his fault), goal in the last two minutes of period 2 (not his fault, kill Ericsson), a bad rebound for goal number three (his fault) and a TERRIBLE miss on the GWG...

Frustrating night to be certain, they started so well.

Finally! I've been sick of the "we didn't start on time, but got better. just no puck luck. keep doing what you're doing and eventually...." bull Babcock has been saying for the last two seasons. I think everyone has gotten way too comfortable with themselves. They went from being far and away the hardest working team in the league, winning a cup doing so, to slowly becoming lazy floaters because they thought they could make it up in the offensive end.

The whole team has played without urgency and its disgusting. But Howard hasn't been great either...

I feel bad for MacDonald, 2 games, 2 losses that weren't even close to his fault.

Good for Howard, he can let in 3 or 4 softies and know that his team can score enough to at least give the other guy the loss.