everyone pounds on Franzen in the regular season, and then come playoff time everybody is ready to bow down to him. Kinda laughable.
With that said, I HATE HUDLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine if Franzen actually played in the regular season. You know, like everyone else on the team? He's paid to play them all. Last year he clocked out during the regular season and got injured in the playoffs, so he wasn't worth jack.
Exactly. Most of us complain about Franzen because we know he's talented enough to produce much more. If he really wanted to, he could be an elite player in the regular season as well. Instead he tends to float for long stretches and looks bored. Even tonight, he didn't do much until the end of the third period when things got interesting.
Based on past history though, I'm sure he'll win us over in the playoffs.
Trump? And if you're going to brag about your education, it might be worthwhile to put the apostrophe in "bachelor's degree". And the cents don't count as part of the seven figures. Besides, who actually says stuff like that?
It's sad that this country's in a state where its self-proclaimed professionals have so little humility and intelligence left. Then again, you do seem to share a lot of the same qualities as most investment bankers.
Yes, and yes.
When Franzen finally scores these days, it seems all too easy; "effortless" because it was without effort. He floats like Lang used to and pots gimmes after Datsyuk or other harder working players do most of the work. It was a good play to Helm last night, which got plenty of Franzen backers saying "look look" but all that proves is that he can make those plays falling outta bed. No one is doubting his skill, but his effort is not there. For me, that's a character flaw that needs to be rectified; everyone is expected to show up, whether you say you're bored or not. In my opinion (that's for you, OP) Franzen will be judged statistically on goals and, just like every other player on this team, intangibly on effort. The effort isn't there, and his goal totals since signing his contract are pretty lame. Leading the team doesn't count for much when its only 25 through 68 games, and that's all you really do. Cleary had 26 goals in 68 games last year. Franzen's potential is MUCH greater, but being the teams leading goalscorer is becoming less and less of an accomplishment ("in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king").
TO THE OP: Lording education and salary on a hockey forum is moronic. Entitlement at its worst, but thanks for your credentials: Bachelor's Degree recipient, overpaid, self-aggrandizing, whiny, confrontational, and has played hockey. Way to go! That ought to get you into at least the 45th percentile!
Filppula is playing up to the potential that I truly believe the majority (albeit not overwhelming) of folks on LGW thought he had in him. Hate to break it to the OP, but you are not some oracle for defending a guy who most people enjoy watching play. Most trade talk had Filppula as a legitimate top-end outgoing asset to acquire another top-end asset, which is how trades work (not "Hudler and a 2nd for Nash"). I'm happy to have him and never thought he was being "paid on potential" like some people did, simply because he has always given 100% effort, played strong defensively, and made his linemates better. Statistics were then and are now, a bonus. He has been worth $3m since he signed and has since surpassed it. He is finally cashing in on the scoresheet, and the play last night was a great display of the poise and confidence he is playing with. Keep up the good work, Filppula!
Funny... Johan leads this team in goals yet his play has diminished and folks have some high expectations when things don't go his way
Franzen benefits off the backs of harder working players. Without someone else to gift wrap them, he is more or less worthless. Effort is lacking and he is becoming more one-dimensional by the day; a far cry from where he started busting ass on the 3rd/4th lines. He hasn't stepped up at all with players out.
Well, their biggest beef with Kronwall is that he doesn't fight after hits. Any time a player is suspended for a hit, people whine about how they're trying to take big hits out of the game. But having to drop the gloves after a big hit somehow doesn't discourage hitting to them.
Though there are people there who feel he somehow should've not made the hit knowing he was going to hit Voracek so hard.
I can understand people wishing Kronwall would fight just once or twice after a big hit, but it's mostly nonsense over there.
I understand why folks call for him to "answer" for his hits, clean or otherwise, but it is complete nonsense. More than anything its butt-hurt.
Lets for the sake of simplicity call it Kesler-Clowe Syndrome (KCS): if a smaller guy, who has never fought before and seems in their mind physically inferior to themselves, all of a sudden puts them on tomorrow's highlight reel by folding them like a lawn chair, despite a few inches of height and pounds of weight, the knee-jerk response is butt-hurt and the KCS desire to redeem one's self.
Kronwall will "troll", shrug it off and get twice his moneys worth with the hit and a penalty for your retaliation, which as a Wings fan is one of the best parts of watching Kronwall do his thing (though sometimes the refs jumping in front of him is a bit...well, you know). Its one thing to want to retaliate in the moment, on the ice, and for some, their pride is worth the two minutes (especially since the Wings PP is so flacid). Its another thing to carry your pout into the post-game interviews and say something as moronic as "you can't lay a hit like that without having to fight afterwards", like there is some unwritten rule that if you're hurt or embarrassed in play you get to even it out on my face.
i mean in general, if you say anything like " i think kronwall is gonna crush someone tonight" they will give you a warning, tsn does the same thing. When we played the canucks i wrote "I think kronwall will catch booth tonight" and they refused to publish it.
Its funny how moderators can be so ridiculously bias and still be allowed to lord over open forums. Even on HockeyStreams, hearing Wings fan and moderator Steve-O is a bit shameful. Every call against the Wings is unjustified, every hit on a Wing dirty, every opposition goal is either an uncalled penalty or would-be disallowed goal. The fates conspire against the Wings in everything and the opposition always has an unfair advantage.
Me, I'm a "blame the Wings first" kinda guy, just ask Crymson, who is of the "***** about the bitching" persuasion
Honestly, a day after the hit Voracek and the Flyers have gained a bit of respect from me. The guy takes it on the button, has every right to be a bitter Kesler about it, and yet he says over and over that the fault was his own. Jagr chimes in saying that without those hits "its basketball". This takes more guts than a lot of folks might think and I wish him a swift recovery. Pretty brassy, Jakub!
Clean, north-south hit with an unfortunate, yet unavoidable point of contact. Kronwall has actually been impressing me in the last few months by consistently keeping his skates on the ice.
This play is one of a few astounding hits we are seeing these days where the player with the puck seems oblivious to a hit he should expect. Players are getting far to complacent seeming to think 100% of the onus is on the player laying the hit. The play gets worse every time I see it: Kronwall stepped up on those same boards, exact spot TWICE in this same game prior to the hit. Voracek looks up and seems to see Kronwall at the blue line. He then proceeds to handle the puck and skate as leisurely as I've seen any player not named Bertuzzi do in a long time. By the time Kronwall is on him he had taken several strides looking straight down and to the side, clueless to the play he had to just seconds earlier have seen as a possibility. Timed perfectly with the moment Kronwall reached him, Voracek finally turns up ice like a goose in flight, head down, neck out. Perfect stand-up, skates down hit, leveled at Voracek's chest but for his head being so stretched out in front of him. Honestly, if he was on the opposite side of the ice, the way he was skating he had just as much chance of running straight into someone coming off the bench. OBLIVIOUS.
I honestly don't know what Kronwall could have done without neglecting to do his job and take the body. Unfortunately, this type of play with absolute complacency on the part of the player with the puck is starting to contribute more than anything to concussions in the league. Blind-side hits are one thing, but choosing not to acknowledge the threat right in front of you should not make you immune to a good clean north-south hit.
It's not like he is getting paid anywhere near what a 40 goal scorer gets paid.
Not sure if that was sarcasm or not. Franzen's cap hit might be $3.95m but he is getting paid $5.25m, and given the security he was given with such a long-term contract, its fair to argue that he should be playing like closer to $6.0m. He got on the team by playing tough, physical, and responsible while going to the hard areas. He's been doing less and less of that since signing the contract. The production rates are down, but he has also made himself tremendously one-dimensional.
Third year of an ELEVEN year front-loaded contract and he is already playing down to the cap hit. He better stay pretty damn consistent, otherwise I wonder how he'll be playing by the time he is actually making $3.95m (which will be in 5 years, for those wondering). Like GMRwings said, what happens when he plays uninterested and "bored" during the regular season (when everyone else is required to put in the effort) and he gets to playoffs and either doesn't perform, or like last year, gets injured? What are the Wings paying for then?
- Kronners had an outstanding game, and I was very comfortable watching him log huge minutes tonight... this is huge for us knowing we can rely on him when Nick if Nick is hurt for a game - Smith continues to amaze me more and more... everything he does tells me he deserves to be on this team over Kindl and Ericsson... continue to the great play - Franzen is so freakin lazy... I was ticked off then, and still am now, that we let Hossa walk to keep lazyboy Franzen - I thought Fil and Hank tried tonight, but as the game progressed they seemed to look tired - Helm, Miller, Abs were fantastic
Lastly, I just want to say kudos to the 2 referees tonight, Dan O Halloran and Don Manhaviston (however you say it) who did a wonderful job officiating this game. They let both teams get away with a lot, and called what needed to be called and, more than anything, were CONSISTENT with their calls. Hope to have more officials like this.
Hopefully Nick is back tuesday, go wings!
Pretty much all of this. Good to see there wasn't a powerplay every 3 minutes. These games lately have had too little 5-on-5 play and its frustrating and boring to watch (especially given the Wings' special teams woes). Also, Hank and Filppula were the only forwards going outside of the third line. I get exhausted for them seeing how they have to drag Hudler and/or Franzen around all the time. And a tremendous game by Smith.
As I said, its a pretty good indicator when you are short-handed on defense and have an emergency goaltender switch and neither of those are the problem against a poor defensive team. Most of the forward unit are dogging and watching the play, save for a few in Zetterberg, Filppula, Helm, Abdelkader, and Miller.
*Filppula is mugged by Keith and Seabrook* "Slash by Filppula! Team toughness! Keith is not going to take that and they go after Filppula! They'll like that penalty; standing up for one another!"
*Hawks goes to hit Kronwall and gets laid out* "It looks like Kronwall might have gotten his stick up.... No... but he looks to have been on his toes when he hit him... either way, the Hawks player is giving up 25 or 30 lbs" (Either that guy is 165lbs or they think Kronwall is a fairy tale monster after what he did to Havlat)
*Kronwall with a clean hit, Bickel takes a stupid retaliating penalty* "Team toughness! The Hawks will gladly take that penalty! Great to see them standing up for one another! Good penalty to take if you're a Hawk"
And pretty much any time the Hawks jumped someone with 2+ guys, like they did to Holmstrom (shocking, with no call) you hear "team toughness" followed by "those are good penalties" followed by a justification such as "I think Holmstrom broke a stick trying to get the puck off the net which is why the Hawks took exception" which would on the replay be proven false.
And the play-by-play guy wants to badly to be Harry Caray, right down to the half-slurring and the goofy changes in voice inflection like he is reading a Dr. Seuss book to his niece.