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#1977556 Don't blame Howard.. blame Babcock

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 06 May 2010 - 02:28 PM

Just read this article a few minutes ago. I totally agree. I understand the Wings had to win games down the stretch just to get in and then to improve their position in the playoffs, but its when the whole "ride Howard" thing really started that bothers me. There was a period in the season when the Wings were losing games no matter who was in goal and it really just mattered if the injury-hampered Wings had brought enough offense that night. This was the period when the Wings should have been having a rotation. Because of the drama between Babcock and Osgood, Ozzie was essentially shelved in December. There were periods when Howard seemed too cool off a great deal and a perfect time to get Osgood some games and rest the kid, Babcock refused. Coming out of the Olympic break, with a team refreshed, Babcock again had a chance to get a reasonable rotation going, but refused.

Howard was able to play above his ability and steal some games down the stretch which every Red Wings fan should be grateful as hell for. But now that Howard has cooled off (like he had throughout the season) and is playing more like a rookie (which is understandable) we are without a backup fit to relieve him. The thing that angers me most about this is that of all the teams in the West, Detroit should have ZERO excuse for goaltending as their backup Osgood (or so he was before being "retired" by Babcock) is not only the lone goaltender in the West with ANY kind of post-season success, but has two Stanley Cup rings as a starter, one actually coming in relief. Babcock wasted an asset plain and simple, and now the Wings are on the brink.


#1972555 If the wings gets Eliminated by the Sharks....

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 03 May 2010 - 04:08 PM

I'd continue to watch, but with much diminished interest and enthusiasm and definitely on HockeyStreams so I don't factor into the NHL's ratings.


#1972411 high stick to Jimmy Howard's face

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 03 May 2010 - 01:03 PM

If its the one I'm thinking of I was initially pissed because the Wings had got called on the goalie interference calls that were weak as hell. But I think the replay showed it was Filppula's stick.


#1972177 Strange Change

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 03 May 2010 - 07:40 AM

Hockey stopped in April, its soccer season now.


#1971508 WCSF Game 2 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Sharks 4

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 02 May 2010 - 09:47 PM

This officiating has been a joke. Worst I've seen in a long time, which is saying something in this joke of a league. Its one thing when the Wings deserve it and its called both ways. The former happened plenty tonite on both sides, but the latter is the problem. The Sharks were allowed to play all night, the Wings were not. The refs have again factored into a playoff game. f***. THIS. LEAGUE.


#1967232 WCSF Game 1 GDT: Red Wings 3 at Sharks 4

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 29 April 2010 - 09:52 PM

This officiating is af****** joke. Period.


#1961444 Officiating - A Completely Different Perspective

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2010 - 12:05 PM

Agree with the OP. The most frustrating part is watching a game even out on the PP just for the sake of perceived parity. If one team deserves more penalties, they should get them. This is how the Ducks have played for years, basically they can only get penalized so much, keep toeing the line and everything will eventually be let go. A penalty in the first period should be a penalty in the third period, and vise versa.

The inconsistency is the most irritating part of NHL officiating, i.e. the Hal Gill rule in which holding up a player like a pass protecting NFL lineman is interference UNLESS Hal Gill does it. Its silly to think about, but refs are all too aware of the penalty count and even more aware of a players tendencies leading to some excusing penalties because a player like Gill has ridiculous size or calling others because no matter what their eyes tell their brain, their brain says Holmstrom stabbed the goaltender. Ideally, they wouldn't have human referees, they would have indiscriminate robot penalty measurement devices which call a spade a spade everytime, and at the very least the human refs could do a much better job of taking on that mindset. Until that happens, the NHL officiating will continue to be a joke, rules will be enforced and not enforced and rescinded in a whimsical fashion, diluting the feeling that Team X won because Team X deserved to win.


#1958494 Game 7 Chances Poll

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 25 April 2010 - 08:01 PM

They will win. Don't worry I've seen it and I'm an expert.

Are you asking me or are you telling me? So you saw it, and you're an expert??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVdVJ1sRJI


#1950410 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 19 April 2010 - 07:29 AM

Howard gave up a huge rebound that lead to multiple shots, and the initial shot went right into his glove. That's on Howard, no way around it, and it's a back-breaker of a goal to give up 30 seconds in. The second goal wasn't a horrible goal, but it was utterly terrible timing, and it wasn't far removed from soft. The 3rd goal was not his fault at all. The 4th goal was soft. Howard even admitted that 3 of the goals were blatantly his fault.

All year long, people have been saying that Howard's strong play gives the team confidence. What do you think this weak play from Howard has done to the teams confidence?

Again, how do you think the team feels when the goalie gives up a crap rebound leading to a goal 30 seconds in to game 3 after 2 shaky games that make up the entirety of Howard's playoff experience? If you can say that the team plays better in front of Howard because of his strong play in the regular season, how is it not reasonable to suggest that the team is looking less confident as Howard has looked less confident?

And don't get me wrong, I am absolutely not a Howard hater, and the damn writers were writing this about the Wings and Howard after he struggled to hold a lead in game 2, let alone today's mess.

At the end of the day, I see a rookie goalie who's learning the hard way what it takes to win in the playoffs. He's shown thus far that he hasn't learned what it takes to make it happen yet in the playoffs. That's okay. I wasn't one of the people feeling like he had to be a superstar hero in his rookie year, and I don't like the kid any less or think any less of him for this. I think he's still got plenty of potential to come out of this in the coming seasons and develop into a strong playoff goalie.

But I'll be damned if I care so little about losing that I'd be willing to watch Howard blow this series just because he "got us here." I don't give a s*** who "got us here." I care about winning. I think Howard would agree with me. I think it's one of the stupidestf****** things in the world to say "we win or lose with Howard." I'm sorry, but I'm a Red Wings fan more than I'm a fan of any individual player, and if a guys not getting it done, you've got to do what it takes to see if the next guy can.

Sometimes you've got to shake things up to get a teams attention, especially after a goalie throws things off. Everyone involved with the team knows that Howard's been huge for us this year, and everyone knows he's a rookie and it takes time for most guys to develop. Just as Osgood had to sit in the regular season, Howard may need to sit in the playoffs to let the veteran who knows how to handle the pressure of the big games do his thing. And Howard might learn a thing or two in the process.

If Howard can't give this team a chance to win (he hasn't thus far), they need to see if Osgood can pull off another "miracle," or just continue to be the strong playoff goalie that he's always been. It's no knock on Howard, it's no grudge and there's most certainly no bias to it. I like Jimmy Howard a lot.

But more than anything, I just want to win.

I agree with everything. I just want round two the Cup. No matter what it takes to get there. The more and more I think about it, as much as I think throwing Osgood in now would be a disservice to the veteran letting him come in cold and go down with Howard's ship while at the same time denying Howard the must of every young goaltender not named Dryden or Roy, a playoff disappointment, I think Osgood would relish the opportunity and I think the Wings would do their best to insulate Ozzy knowing how rusty he is.

Even if Osgood isn't great in Game 4, at least he'd be at home and we all know JLA would be pumping him up to no end. I think this team needs to be shaken up like they were in 2008. Above all else they need to win. The organization and Babcock especially needs to make a statement that whatever tools are at their disposal they'll use them.

I think we all know that there is no way Howard won't start in Game 4 and I agree with him being given one more chance, but I think Babcock has to have the balls to have a very short leash. Goal in the first two minutes? Ozzy. Goal right after a Wings goal? Ozzy. Softy in the first period? Ozzy. Really, anything short of a solid goal against in the first 10 minutes of play. It gives the kid and the defense in front of him one last chance to prove they believe in eachother and gives the team enough time to right the ship for Ozzy should things come to that. Going with Osgood to start the third period with the Wings reeling is the last thing this team needs.

Give Howard another chance, I really think the kid could come out and have a stellar game, turning the whole thing around. But its time for him to prove it and the team to prove they are behind him. But if its apparent that isn't the case, Babcock needs to be quick. I said going into the 2008 playoffs that Hasek didn't have what it took to get the job done anymore and that it was Ozzy or bust. The fortunes really had to align in that scenario, literally the ONLY way I could foresee a goaltender change happening: 2-0 series lead with shaky goaltending that eventually loses the next two games, give the next goaltender a chance to play a period on the road make some saves and then come home for a best of 3.

This is not the ideal situation that was, so I believe we'll know by the start of the 2nd period Tuesday whether the Wings are going to win or lose with Howard. I hope the former, but am understanding if its the latter. I just hope that if things continue to fall apart Babcock has the conviction to turn to Ozzy.

EDIT: correction :hehe:


#1950008 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 18 April 2010 - 08:10 PM

you are going to get killed for not having the same opinion as shanny in here.

You are very sensitive, aren't you. You've cornered the market on tantrums for people disagreeing.

but you are not saying osgood is better then howard. But he is just rusty.

You really are arguing with yourself. Everyone, including me has said that Howard is better. Osgood is rusty and I wish he wasn't, that's the only thing you are even in the ballpark about.

i think howard is the better goalie but i am alone.

You are not some jaded genius. EVERYONE knows Howard coming into the playoffs was the man for the Wings. He is the better goalie, but until he starts playing like it, we're all left to wonder "what if we had our proven playoff goaltender as at least an option?"

Quit feeling sorry for yourself when someone disagrees, its old and no one sympathizes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQXtOU6Zi00


#1949894 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 18 April 2010 - 06:39 PM

ok no point in arguing.

Better get my rep up.

WE SHOULD START OSGOOD.

That should do it.

Internet tantrum much? If you have even listened to the discussion, the consensus is NOT to start Osgood.


#1949874 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 18 April 2010 - 06:18 PM

Osgood was NOT playing well, so he played howard. That is not poor goalie managment. Dont just have a blind love for osgood because he is a your favorite and give me negative feedback because you dont agree with me. Howard got us to the playoffs and he is playing well enough to keep his starting job. Until he gets a loss when our d is playing up to there full potential you leave him in. Neither of the losses where a result of howard playing bad.

Negative feedback?? Calm down, you seem to be the one that is getting his panties in a twist when people disagree. And I'm a Wings fan before an Osgood fan, and I'm not alone in thinking two goaltenders are better than one with no experience. The Wings haven't played up to snuff, but as we saw with Hasek before he got yanked in 2008 and Legace in 2006, its really hard to get a foothold when you finally get some momentum and its taken away in 30-60 seconds.


#1949865 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 18 April 2010 - 06:07 PM

yea thanks babcock for playing the better performing goalie at the time so that we could make the playoffs even through all of our injuries. what bad coaching.

That proceeding under the assumption that Osgood would have been as bad playing every third game as he is playing on the second of a back-to-back after not seeing game action for over a month. Howard got us here and should have started the playoffs, no one will argue that. But Babcock did a piss-poor job of managing his goaltenders because he has a huge tendency to play favorites. People forget, that before Osgood got the flu and didn't see game action for months at a time, he wasn't having a horrible season.


#1949851 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 18 April 2010 - 05:57 PM

Howard: 3GP 1-2 3.67GAA 0.888Sv%

And as gcom007 mentioned, this is against a Coyote team that was 24th in the league in goals for, not the Washington Capitals.

Osgood is too rusty at this point to be better fast enough to turn the series around, but Howard is not going to get the job done, and now the pressure is going to be even higher. So really, what are the Wings options?

NO F'n Way.... Let Howard lose a series while he is on the ice.. dont give Osgood a start in a hostile game 5 .. thats a DICK MOVE.... Howard is making his bed let him lay in it. No one came to Osgood's side when we stuck with him in the past series's that he lost in.... Let Howrad feel the real pressure of big league playoffs... If you want him to grow...Let him cry a little.

:clap: Exactly. If Howard plays and loses Game 4, he sticks around to lose Game 5.


#1949838 Ozzy for game 4?

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 18 April 2010 - 05:47 PM

Osgood won't be any better. It's Howard or bust.

I agree. Osgood is too rusty to turn it around in time to save the series. Thanks, Babcock!