Howard doesn't get to 74 playoff wins if you give up on him now. Ozzie wasn't always Mr. Playoff's you know. Not every goalie is going to pull a Ken Dryden in their rookie season. Extreme overreaction.
As far as I'm concerned, I really understand that Howard is green in the playoffs and he was going to get some lumps. I'm more pissed off that Babcock bet the farm on Howard since December and now we have the best playoff goaltender in the last two seasons rusted pass the point of no return.
Babcock doesn't seem to inspire the team, he plays favorites constantly, and now he has a rookie goaltender that is looking pretty sad between the pipes while the one he owns a ring to is taking stats.
This. Now is everyone happy we have rusted Osgood the whole season? Could Osgood play any worse than Howard? He hasn't given the Wings saves they need. This series should probably be 3-0 'Yotes after this game if the Wings offense didn't steal game two. I'm sick of the play of the whole team, but Howard has given no confidence and has done exactly what got Hasek benched in 2008, letting goals back to back or right after a Wings goal.
Is the Datsyuk line trying to be too fancy with the puck and not willing enough to get the ugly goals?
That has kinda been my diagnosis for this last stretch of the season heading into the playoffs. Datsyuk is still dominant but Mule has hit a little funk which is understandable after missing so much time. They just seem to be trying too much out there, as opposed to watching Filppula and Zetterberg the other night, they just hounded pucks and got them to the net. Mule needs to keep it simple, get some ugly goals, then when he is rolling the hot hand again he can try the "me vs. the world" stuff we love him for.
I was never too impressed with Bertuzzi when they picked him up a few years ago and also wondered why they picked him up again. He is finally healthy now! He was on a hot streak earlier this year and he is still a presence when he is on the ice. Although I don't think the wings have that special something to win it all this year, I think they will surprise a few teams in the playoffs.
I agree that Williams is a disappointment this year...it seems as if he has lost confidence in himself.
As far as the comments on Bertuzzi, he definitely doesn't suck. He will more than likely retire within a year or two. He works well with his teammates and can plow over many players - taking out some if necessary. He may not be a premier player but he surely isn't chopped liver...he may surprise you in the playoffs!! Keep watching!
To me Bertuzzi's hot streak earlier in the season was based on him finally doing what he had before and since been unwilling to: playing a Holmstrom role. Everything Holmstrom does every shift is what Bertuzzi has to do, but doesn't. When he was on a hot streak he was parked near the net and even retrieved a puck here and there and banged. But then he looked the stat sheet and said to himself "Wait, I have more than 12 goals, it must be 2003! Hooray I'm a superstar, here I come!".... FAIL.
Bertuzzi has to learn that he isn't helping the team by floating around the face-off circles watching the smaller and more skilled Filppula and Zetterberg go get him the puck so he can turn it over. It needs to be the other way around like it is with Homer: get to the net, leave to retrieve pucks in the corner and get it to skilled guys, return to the net, leave to provide a passing outlet down-low, give it back to the skilled players, return to the net.
Bertuzzi and Williams are both frustrating in the same way. They are absolute crap most of the time and then they have little flickers of brilliance and score and all of a sudden "hail Bert/Willy".
But at the end of the day, both are consistently pathetic out there, turn over pucks endlessly, and most frustrating of all, both have the tools to get the job done and don't use them. Bertuzzi is rarely going to the net and never digging pucks (I don't know how many times yesterday alone Flip was in the corner trying to get the puck away from 3 Hawks and Bertuzzi was parked 8 feet away watching) and Williams has a great shot and good maneuverability but he gets blocked or shoots wide more than any player on the team and fumbled the puck on the simplest plays.
Bertuzzi gets some slack because of his production compared to his paycheck, but lets face it, every time he sits there and watches our smaller players dig in the corners and go to the net and subsequently turns over the puck when he gets it, I feel the little brain tumor called "Todd" grow a little bit in my head.
Lidstrom will definitely be back next season.... which is exactly what I'll be saying to myself 5 years from now when I'm rocking back and forth in a padded room, having lost it and retreated to an imaginary world where #5 plays for the Red Wings forever.
At the end of the day we all have our biases and you can make all the justifications you want. Any of us can spin this argument and make either goalie out to look better or worse than they are. Personally, I really like both Howard and Osgood and I don't want either of them gone under any circumstances next season because I think they both bring a lot of value to this team. Yes, the Wings had poor showings in both of their last two games while both Howard and Osgood were in net. Yes, both goaltedners let in weak goals. And yes, the Osgood supporters can blame it on the rust and the Howard supporters can blame it on fatigue while the Osgood haters can blame it on diminished skill and the Howard haters can blame it on being overrated. The fact is we should be approaching this topic as (hopefully) Osgood and Howard are and embracing this duo as a tandem. Osgood is mentoring Howard and the duo are working well together. Babcock is going to go with who he thinks will give this team the best chance to win and we, as Wings fans, should be pumped at how our season (and team defence and goaltending) has turned out because a couple months ago we looked like s***.
Yeah, I wish we had had the luxury of being able to get Osgood more starts throughout the year but we've seen the emergence of a great young goalie. Yeah I wish Osgood didn't let in a s***ty goal some 20 seconds into the game in philly but I'm happy that he had a solid 3rd period. With 3 games to go in the season we're battling it out for 5th in the West let's reserve judgment on our goaltedning situation for these last few games.
I agree it would have been great if Osgood had come out and dominated the Flyers but now that he had a chance to knock some rust off he should have a chance to play the Jackets on Friday and if he puts in a solid performance I think we should all be pretty content. Things have come together well for this team so bickering over the goaltending seems pretty silly to me.
Exactly. Though this thread is two kinds of people, Red Wings' fans and Osgood haters. I'm the former. I just hate when the latter dismisses any kind of explanation as being in some Osgood cult. I support both goaltenders and the better they BOTH do the better the team is and the happier I am. Go Osgood one of the best Wings of all-time and Go Howard this team is yours now, make us proud!
If the Sharks lose I'll be pissed. I don't want the Flames in the playoffs. Although if the Flames play the Sharks in the first round, there's a chance they could beat them.
Pretty much this. I've been pulling for the Avs over Flames cause I hate the Flames and I'd love to see them miss the playoffs. But the more I think of it, Colorado isn't going to do squat. At least if the Flames lose we'll get to see the goon-fest on the Sharks.
Go Calgary (yuck), Go Ducks (yuck), Go Canucks (yuck).... I just feel dirty now...
Comparing Osgood's starts to Howard's starts this season is comparing apples to oranges. Osgood hasn't started in over two months. OVER TWO MONTHS. Howard has been allowed to play his hot streak with continuous plays while 37yo Osgood has been put out in the cold since November, only playing the second of back-to-back games with a line-up that is depleted and/or tired.
The Wings played like crap, they deserved to lose, they lost, period. Howard has had a few rocky starts lately as well, but the team has played great when he has an off night. Against Nashville yesterday they were gifted a point thanks to Datsyuk. Against Edmonton they were probably headed for another shootout loss before Stuart's probably-high-stick goal in the last minutes, after blowing a 4 goal lead.
I get it, I do. You're bummed the Wings lost and you don't like Osgood, life's a ***** and then you die. But Osgood's W-L are not helped by the team's effort or the fact that he was basically retired early by Babcock in favor of Howard. Howard is a far superior tender right now, but its because he has been allowed to be. Osgood didn't lose this game, despite the very soft first goal and whether Howard would have had the 3rd goal is the only debatable point, he wouldn't have had the 2nd off a 4 on 2 or the 4th off a horrible defensive lapse.
Basically all you've managed to do is say our 37yo backup goaltender who averages one start every fourteen games since November, always second of back-to-back, has had a terrible record. That sounds about right, way to go statistician.
Are the players honestly getting that much stupider? Horrible, moronic, 100% head hit. Its baffling that with all of the talk about head hits in the last year, especially in the last few weeks, guys are still deciding to take a guys head in a hit. Same as when Raffi Torres hit Helm in the head when the Wings were playing the Sabres a few games ago. The players all talk about how it needs to come out of the game, and yet...