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#2678213 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 June 2016 - 07:38 AM

NerveDamage, yes I do believe it's possible to sign Stamkos without trading Datsyuk's contract. There are always other options, but of course ridding ourselves of that dead cap space would be the easiest route. If we can't trade the contract though, it is very possible to trade Ericsson and Howard and still be able to go after the biggest UFA fish.

As I've said before, Howard to a team like Calgary for a mid round pick and Ericsson to a team like Edmonton ($1M retained) for a mid to late round pick... Those two moves alone would give us $8.5M in cap space, along with the few million we'll have after we sign our remaining RFA's.

As for Helm, he's the only UFA's that I'd personally like back, and if we can sign him for under $3M, that would be great. I'd have one of Helm or Sheahan as our 3rd line center, depending on what our overall roster looks like come October...



Come on, realistically, no one is going to take Ericsson off our hands. The guy has been brutal at times with his inconsistency, and that contract isn't going to do anyone any favours. 


If you ask me, KH is kinda f***ed here by this whole situation. Yes he hasn't helped himself with some of the deals he's made (or lack thereof) but like, Datsyuk leaving creates a huge problem. 


Look at it this way:


1. If he sits and eats the $7.5m cap space, he's going to get torn to shreds because he's responsible for not being able to move that space and then we'd never even have a shot at competing to sign Stamkos, or for that matter, one or two of the better free agents out there. E.g. Backes. 


2. If he is able to clear it, he'll have to give up someone he doesn't want to, and considering the fact that there's only one reasonable team that can take on that contract now, the price will be relatively high. So there'll be considerable backlash if he ends up having to give up say, Jurco plus a pick. And then what if he strikes out in free agency? No Stamkos, no Backes, no Okposo etc etc. 


Really, I think Howard needs to be moved this offseason, but again, that's going to be even harder now with the expansion announcement coming. I'd love to see Ericsson shipped out, but again, who's going to take on that contract and give us a good return? 


Ideally, I'd like tos ee the kids play. Give AA, Mantha, Ouellet and Sproul full time jobs and hand them the reigns. If we miss the playoffs then so be it. but having Datsyuk leave a year early with an already declining Zetterberg makes this decision to turn the page somewhat easier. 

#2674441 Official - Little Caesars Arena

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 29 April 2016 - 10:54 AM

Is anyone actually surprised about this? Seriously? I hate the corporate way sports has become, but it is what it is. And sadly, money rules the world. So what can we expect? Enjoy the last season at the Joe while you can. I'm looking forward to visiting the new arena just to see how it is in comparison with JLA, but while I'm sad that the new rink has a corporate name all over it, I'm not surprised in the slightest.

#2672888 Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 22 April 2016 - 03:50 AM


That fits his style of play, but he is also our best face-off man. I'd love to find a way to combine his FO numbers with the skills of Larkin/AA/Mantha on the wing. I know Larkin/AA play center, but they aren't used to NHL level centers yet.



Dude you can't just do a Ken Holland and over value your own players to fill a top 6 role! (jokes). In all seriousness, Glendening is awesome, but he has hands of stone. He can't play in the top 6. He should be a 4th line shut down guy ala Maltby of years past driving people nuts. 

#2667318 Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 12 April 2016 - 03:46 PM

The problem with half or mainly all of this argument is that stats (unless they're advanced) don't begin to tell what players do actually on the ice. Ok, so PPG is all good and stuff, but how does that even explain the number of scoring chances a guy creates? 


Everyone here knows that Anderson is slow, has no hands. Yea fine he can win face-offs and is ok on the PK, but we have 4 good guys we can put on the PK, and this team has struggled to score all damn year long. yes the playoffs are a different animal but look at our series last year. Are Tampa winning that series if Johnson doesn't score 6 goals and lights it up in game 6? Most likely not. This shutdown, have everyone try and be a 2 way forward selke candidate type player just doesn't cut the mustard. Not everyone is as talented as Fedorov or Datsyuk, and if guys have good offensive ability we need to let them use it. 

Not to say that Mantha is ready, but I thought in the couple of games he was given an opportunity to actually play good ice time, he played quite well. I don't see how having Anderson here helps. 

#2667219 Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 12 April 2016 - 07:59 AM


If you are talking about Mantha - he only had 3 points in 10 games. Not terrible for a rookie, but how many rookies play on the 1st line with Datsyuk, and also see regular PP time during the first 10 games of their career?


For the "pure scorer" he is said to be, I was expecting a higher scoring output while understanding his defensive limitations.


The decision for Blashill is pretty simple: If Mantha is going to produce similar offensive numbers to Darren Helm, it makes no sense to keep in him on Datsyuk's wing because Helm is much more physical, can also play C (depending on matchups) and is 10X the defensive player Mantha is at this stage.



I get what you're saying, but I think you've set your expectations too high. This is a guy who broke his leg in his first pro season, took nearly a year to figure it out at that level before he could start playing at that level. The NHL is a completely different animal than the AHL - just ask Pulkkinen. 


The fact remains that in the games Mantha was playing (at least the first few before his ice time got unreasonably reduced IMO) he was creating chances, protecting the puck in the O zone AND helping our PP click. Anyone remember the number of breakaways or scoring chances he had? What about his first shift when he broke his stick on a slapshot? And Krsmith, I wholeheartedly agree with your points....


The problem here is is that management/possibly Blashill are being way way too conservative - and it's stifling our offensive potential. I read somewhere that Nyquist and Tatar have had their ice time reduced this season, so it's no wonder they've lost their confidence and their goal totals have suffered. 


That kind of conservative attitude is why Andersson has been recalled - because they'd rather have a guy there who they don't think will f*** it up defensively, instead of play some more offensive minded players that will actually allow us to retain the puck and keep us out of our D zone. It's a playing it safe mentality that is going to get us eaten alive in the postseason. 


Now watch as AA is benched for a lot of this first round series, in spite of him scoring a few timely goals. 


I've been behind management supporting their decisions for a long time. But right now, i can't say I feel the same enthusiasm. 

#2666998 Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 11 April 2016 - 05:02 AM

Argh I don't really enjoy bashing management, because I always will feel that they know better than we do, and yea I can live with Mantha being sent down, but what I can't is Andersson coming up AND being inserted into the lineup. 


It's driving me nuts at the moment, like, is there a plan here? It's more than obvious something here has to change. Richards is just, never even close to a top 6 player, so why is he constantly on the PP, playing is situations where goals are generally scored. He was good, but now loses puck battles, and is slow. It's no wonder this team can't generate any kind of offence because they have no forecheck as by the time the old guys have skated down to retrieve the puck, its already going back the other way. 



What bothers me is how AA plays only 5-8 minutes a night, and yet has looked at times one of our better forwards, has scored some good goals down the stretch too, yet consistently is labelled as bad defensively. What the f*** do they want, a team of selke trophy nominees? 2 players with big offensive potential - Pulkkinen - ok fine he hasn't been up to snuff, but he and Mantha, don't we think they ought to be given more chance instead of stuck in this system which seems to suck all the life out of our team's offensive ability. 


It feels like they're just realising we don't have any high end talent anymore, so they're converting to a New Jersey type suffocating D kind of game whereby we don't need any all stars and can squeeze out games. Oh. Except we don't have the D (minus DK) and goaltending. 


I'd really love to believe in this team, I really would. But I have to wonder who's driving the bus right now because it just doesn't seem to make that much sense. Give your kids a chance to play, let them learn, and if we miss the playoffs? So what. 

#2658379 Wings Vs Leafs Outdoor Game confirmed, 2017

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 10 March 2016 - 06:25 AM

Yeah these are wearing out. Fast. The other two games announced are St Louis/Chicago, and Pittsburgh/Philly. So that's 4 outdoor games for the Wings, 2 for the Leafs, 5 for Chicago, the Pens and Flyers 3 each I believe and St Louis is the only new team. Seriously. All these match ups just show how much of a cash grab this is for the league. Flyers/Pens is so unnecessary. I could understand if they just stuck with the Centennial Classic and then the Winter Classic the next day, but who the hell needs another one? 


The league has taken something that could have been really special and ruined it basically in favour of good business and earning more money, which I suppose, I shouldn't complain about because it does make financial sense. 

#2639304 Jurco on Conditioning Assignment in GRs

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 25 November 2015 - 05:01 PM


It's true. Jurco still counts against the 23 man roster even though he's in GRs.


I imagine Andersson gets waived before Jurco if/when Quincey returns. Also, Marchenko is waiver exempt so he could always be sent to GRs.


I was never talking about "losing" Jurco, only questioning how he's going to crack the line-up. To do that, barring injuries, he has to outplay one of Sheahan, Richards, Pulkinnen, Nyquist, or Tatar. Can't see it.


When Q comes back that will give us 8 on the backend, so I imagine they'll try to move someone from the D. Most likely it'll be a typical KH conservative move, so most likely Marchenko will be sent down. 


Personally, I'd rather see them shop Kindl and keep Marchy, but we'll see what happens. 


I agree with Krsmith regarding Miller too. He just has seemed to have lost a slight edge this season, not sure why, but just seems noticeable. I'd put Jurco in for him if Jurco continues to tear it up, see what he can do with some more confidence. 

#2639049 2016 NHL Outdoor Games Jerseys.

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 23 November 2015 - 05:12 PM

Yea can't exactly say I'll be adding one of these to my jersey collection anytime soon....

#2638184 11/18 GDT : Washington Capitals at Red Wings, 8:00 EST

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 November 2015 - 06:54 AM

who gives a s***. The Wings didn't lose this game because of Kindl. They lost the game because the Capitals took over the game in the 3rd and OT. You could see it coming, and if it wasn't for Mrazek, the game wouldn't even have gone to OT. 


The Wings played well in the first 2 periods, but just looked like they almost gave up in the 3rd. The Caps were winning all the puck battles, had way way too much O zone time, and just wanted it more. It was just like waiting for the inevitable to happen. At least we had to wait til OT so at least we got a point.

#2634696 10/31 GDT: Detroit Red Wings at Ottawa Senators

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 02 November 2015 - 08:55 AM

@NHLPlayerSafety: Ottawa's Mark Stone will have a hearing tomorrow for an illegal check to the head on Detroit's Landon Ferraro.


There is a 2 game suspension coming here. But if you ask me, the league should give him 15 games, WITHOUT PAY. It'd make everyone in the league sit up and take notice. If they're dead serious about eliminating these kinds of hits from the game, they need to get on with it. 


Also, super effort in this game by the Wings. Only the 3rd time all year I thought they played a true 60 minute game. Lets see if we can keep it going on tuesday night. 



P.s. Larkin is going to be a star. 


P.p.s Mrazek is also going to be a star

#2634695 Looks like Tyler Bertuzzi is a ****** like his uncle

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 02 November 2015 - 08:52 AM

While Bertuzzi needs to dial it down a notch, its these kind of guys who play with a little bit of a feisty edge that the Wings really need IMO. Just watch our games with the sole purpose of looking for Wings players INITIATING body contact. There really isn't a lot of it. Ironically, when Z and Datsyuk throw their bodies around, the results are good. 


Take a look at the great Wings teams that most of us on this board grew up with. Guys like Maltby, McCarty, Kocur, Shanny, Lapointe, Konstantinov. All willing to punish opposing players and rough it up a little to win. Balance that with the sort of high end scoring talent that this team is developing (in guys like Larkin, Nyquist, Tatar etc) and we may be able to go somewhere. Our D is way too soft. Ericsson, if he applied himself physically game in and game out, could be a FORCE. He's huge, and has some serious strength. None of the fights he got into last year were even close. Neil wanted a piece of him saturday, but you can tell he would have got hammered if the refs had let them go. 


Kronwall hasn't played the body now really in the last few seasons, probably because he's now the number 1 d man and was also the primary offensive D man. I also think that his most recent suspension in the playoffs has signalled the death of anyone getting Kronwalled every again. He's too valuable to the team to miss time over a suspension, and he knows it. 


This is why Brad Stuart was such a great addition in 07. He played with an edge that the D didn't have and he brought it physically  night in night out. I'm not saying the wings need to change everything and go to a bunch of goons, but even 1 hard hitting D man on the back end, and one or two more physical forwards would go a long way in making this team more dangerous. 

#2634322 10/30 GDT : Ottawa Senators 3 at Red Wings 1

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 October 2015 - 10:36 AM

After thinking about this and re-wathcing and being immensely frustrated post game, here's what I see are the issues:


1. The wings forechecking is shocking - literally, all night long, the Senators D had tons of time to make plays and break out of their own zone, constantly killing any chance the Wings had to get zone time. Our forwards seemed to be floating around the slot waiting for the puck to be coughed up, or standing around the half boards waiting for the play to go back the other way. Not good enough. They need to pressure the D men so they can create turnovers and maintain offensive zone time. 


2. No net front presence at all. When they were in the zone, and got shots (which they did well at times), there was no one in front. There were a couple of glorious chances where you could see the guy move OUT of the way of Hammond so he could make a save. A couple of point shots with no one at all anywhere close to the front. This has to change. They need to simply work harder to get to the net to create some screens and havoc. 


3. Puck retrieval in both zones was atrocious. In the O zone, the wings were just not skating to win the puck back first along the boards. This isn't necessarily an issue of size, it's work ethic and skating. And to go along with this, a complete lack of puck support also when these plays happened. 

And in the D zone, again, our forwards seemed to be static, just watching Ottawa retrieve the puck, while our D looked too tired to battle along the boards for it. 


4. Poor decision making with the puck. This was horrendous. The number of times I saw Kindl cough the puck up (and many other D men - especially DK, and Ericsson) in our own zone, killing a break out, lengthening the shift, tiring guys out was a joke. Ottawa forechekced well and created pressure and our D kept tossing it right back to them. They need to make quicker, faster decisions, tape to tape. 


The only good things I'm seeing right now our Larkin and our Goalies, plus the work ethic of Z. They need to clamp down on these fundamentals and frankly, work harder. We're going to get slaughtered if we keep playing like this when we play better teams. 

#2631151 10/16 GDT : Carolina Hurricanes at Red Wings, 7:30 EST

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 16 October 2015 - 11:30 AM

Glendening is in tonight apparently, so you can forget about seeing Andersson this season...:)

#2630902 10/13 GDT : Lightning 1 at Red Wings 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 15 October 2015 - 06:18 AM

What I'm really interested to see is what happens with Larkin once Helm and Datsyuk both return. Andersson looks like he's gone and I think he'll be easily waived but what next? 


The 4th line has looked good and personally I like Ferraro on that line with Glendening and Miller. If Larkin continues to play as he is at the moment, are we looking at a situation where he goes back to GR or someone gets moved? 

Is Jurco out of options?