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#2533016 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 25 July 2014 - 02:43 PM

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen

Tatar - Datsyuk - Jurco

Sheahan - Weiss - Mantha

Abdelkader - Helm - Callahan

Miller - Glendenning


Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Quincey

Smith - Sproul






2015-16 Stanley Cup Champions! :stanley: ;)


We could actually see this lineup at some point this season, which to me, is pretty exciting! 

#2532647 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 July 2014 - 03:13 PM

Meh, add it to the list of all the other things that were supposed to transform Detroit:  Comerica Park, Ford Field, The SuperBowl, the All Star Game, the Casinos, the Cobo Expansion.  I'll believe it when I see it.  There was supposed to be a big entertainment and housing expansion with Comerica and Ford Field, too.


Not getting all the affection for Joe Louis Arena.  That place was a dump even before it opened.  It was totally thrown together without much thought.


So what is wrong with the Joe in your opinion? 


I may have a slightly biased sentiment in the fact that obviously I'm a Wings fan and I saw my first hockey game there, but there isn't much I can say I don't like about it. The sightlines are way better than the other NHL rinks i've seen games at (ACC and Centre Bell), the standing room is the best in the league, the concourse and the general place has this old school atmosphere that makes me get really amped up for the game, and I don't know if i'm the only one, but I really really love walking up those steps before you enter the building. 


Yes it's crowded as hell in the concourses and bathrooms, it's old, it doesn't look that aesthetically pleasing from the outside for some, the seats are worn, but frankly, I couldn't care less. I'd take a building like the Joe that has a million times more character than a septic, cold brand spanking new rink anyway. 


Now, that's not to say that the new building will be like all the other ones that have been built. And after seeing and reading about the plans today, I'm definitely excited. But I will definitely miss being right on top of the action for sure. 

#2532577 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 July 2014 - 07:05 PM

I have mixed feelings about this. Personally, I love the Joe. It has so much character, history and the sight lines (IMO) are great. Even in the upper deck it feels like you're on top of the action, and the standing room areas are superb. 


While the idea of a new arena is also exciting, I can't help but feel it will be another generic, state of the art place where everything is overpriced and you have to bring binoculars to the game. 

#2532044 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 14 July 2014 - 03:19 PM

If the Wings don't re-sign Alfie, and Cleary stays on the bench with Glendening and we can field this lineup I'll be happy with the offense.  The defense, of course, will still blow. 







That's not a terrible front 12.  Especially when you consider the big bodies that you've just brought into the lineup.  If it were up to me I'd do the same with Sproul and Marchenko too, but I realize that's asking too much. 


I agree with you kip that that is a decent top 12. But: 


The thing I reckon is that Mantha definitely won't start in the NHL. Even if he blows people away. It's not the Wings way, and while we haven't had this hyped a prospect in a while, I still don't think they'd just throw him right in there. And they'd keep Jurco in the NHL before having Mantha start the year in Detroit I think. 


Then, I think Jurco would drop down back to the kid line, and who knows what happens with the top line. I have a strong feeling Alfie will return, and be put on that top line.

#2532041 Favorite Dan Cleary Moment or Play

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 14 July 2014 - 03:05 PM

Thank you for creating this thread GMR. With all the negativity being spouted around right now about Cleary and KH, it's actually really refreshing to remember why this guy was beloved in the first place before all this crap. 


I voted for when he knocked the crap out of Phaneuf. I still remember that to this day, and I remember being so happy because I hated Phaneuf with a passion at the time. 

#2531464 What is the plan with Mrazek?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 11 July 2014 - 05:01 AM

Having Gus back for 1 more year is fine - it allows Mrazek to get big playing time in GR, polish his skills down there in his final year of eligibility, ready to back up Howard next season. 


This way, Mrazek then gets eased into the backup role and can step in this season if there's any injuries, and the following year he'll get tons of experience playing 20+ games. I wouldn't be surprised if in 3 years time he's splitting playing time with Jimmy equally. 

#2531463 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 11 July 2014 - 04:52 AM


Just curious as to what you'd do different? Throw huge money at UFA's and handicap the team cap-wise? Trade away all our best players to get a few years of lottery picks, and hope we luck out and get future superstars? Trade all our prospects for impact players so we can be a great team for 4-5 years then just have to go through all of this all over again? The team spent the last few years stocking up on young talent. We are now beginning to see the benefit from that. 


Sure there were some frustrating signings along the way like Sammy, and this one here today. I'm not saying Holland has been perfect. No GM in this league is. But management as a whole has done a nice job of building lots of depth in the prospect pool that will give this team a chance to stay competitive for years to come. These kids won't become big time players overnight. It takes time. 


I'm not here singing Holland's praises. I'm just saying that based on his overall performance as a whole, people are blowing it all way out of proportion. I get that we all have our own opinions. The Cleary signing gives many people another reason to let loose on him. But when you take a deep breath, step back and look at the franchise as a whole, it's going in a pretty good direction. Hardly a nose dive some make it out to be. One year of Cleary doesn't suddenly derail that. 


Sincerely, A guy who dislikes the Cleary signing


I agree. While the Cleary signing is extremely frustrating - mainly on the basis that it might/will block either Jurco or another young player making the big club to start the season, you can't blame DC for still wanting to play hockey. He had a rough (abysmal) year but battled injuries all the way, so why wouldn't he give it one more kick at the can? Unfortunately it's with the Wings, but so be it. It's a 1 year deal, and it may not even get that far if he gets beaten out and sent to GR. Would he even report? Or just retire instead? Who knows. There's still lots to be decided right now. Just because he signed a 1 way deal, doesn't necessarily mean that he'll make the club. And I know, Babcock loved him, but he did scratch him halfway through the season because he was truly awful.


Marcaractac, I agree with you on your assessment of Holland. Too many people here are far too quick to judge and want answers and results fast and having to wait 4 years for another really successful team is far too long in their eyes. What the Wings are trying to do is rebuild on the fly - the pool of prospects we have now, some of which are NHL ready, is pretty impressive for how high we've been drafting. I know KH has made some awful signings, but which GM hasn't? I'm not necessarily defending KH here, but I do believe that with the talent he's accumulated we're very close to start making a run. If the wings think that Cleary can help them do that, then fair enough. Personally, I don't think he'll make the team, but all will be revealed shortly.  

#2531291 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 10 July 2014 - 06:24 PM

It's a horrendous signing, and all I can say is that it saddens me. Cleary's a guy who worked his ass off for the wings for years and deserves to be remembered for that. Not for this. 


This is the positive spin I can see about this right now:


He plays really well and earns a job - which actually implies he will make the team better - and does so. 


Or he plays so horrendously badly that he gets waived and sent to GR or released. 

#2530706 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 08 July 2014 - 08:02 PM

i can't see how they'd be stupid enough to trade a big young forward like Jurco or Sheahan or even Tatar, based on the season they just had. Factor in how we've got some good young D men coming and it doesn;t make sense.

#2530124 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 05 July 2014 - 03:21 PM

It's fine being optimistic like that but I don't see what the issue is with just having an insurance policy? When the same players have been injury prone have a back up plan IS THE SAFE THING TO DO. Now holland is putting all his eggs in the "if we stay healthy basket".
Yes I listed 7. 4 or 5 who WILL BE INJURED and three who are fourth liners. That's not enough and as of right now we DONT have a number 2 center. Maybe Weiss lives up to it maybe not.

Nothing wrong with an insurance policy especially when we got the cap space and yes 3m a year for a 50 point guy is cheap.

We also need a top 6 winger not named Alfie or cleary. And IF Weiss lives up to contract(I still doubt it) I'd try legwand at winger cause he is better then any options left in free agency because holland s*** the bed again.


Plus we have Nosek Campbell Porter Miele Pulkinnen and now possibly AA and Mantha fighting for a forward position. Just adding one of those guys puts us at the 23 man roster limit assuming Danny D and Tatar re-sign. There's no room for Legwand whether u like it or not.
And there's Ferraro and Callahan. Lots of prospects clamoring to play.


Exactly. It's not like we're lacking in potential forward depth up front. We've got guys who will be able to step in when players go down. 


Why would you pay $3m+ for a guy like Legwand when he's just going to be played by babs on the 4th line. He's definitely not going to be getting 50 points that way. 


I don't see the need for the insurance policy, because not only does it block several kids now and in the future, we also have an established 2nd line NHL centre in Weiss. Granted he's coming back from injury, but this isn't Niskanen we're talking about here. Weiss had several productive years in florida. 


And do you really think 5 of those C's will be injured all at the same time again? Last year was a freak year for injuries. Of those on your list only Andersson and Glendening are 4th liners. Sheahan and Helm have shown their ability to be good 3rd line centres. Which leaves Datsyuk, Z and Weiss. Whom I don't think are 4th liners.  

#2530073 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 05 July 2014 - 03:29 AM

My argument is look at out lack of center depth and question marks...legwand on a one or two year deal would've been good.

Whereas defense where our question marks elite defense? Quincey isn't. Right handed defenseman? Quincey isn't. Depth defenseman? Quincey is but well would you rather have Quincey or marchenko? Or sproul? Or oullete? Etc etc

At center right now we got dat Weiss Sheahan and helm. Helm and dat have some injury issues. Weiss is the biggest question mark in this team. Can he stay healthy? If so, can he be a number two center again?

After those four we got z and glen. Z also has injury issues and is better to be at wing and glen is a fourth liner. Anderson is also a fourth liner.

The reason why legwand makes the most sense of any of our UFAs is because he is a cheaper insurance policy for injuries which WILL happen and for if Weiss can't live up to his contract. If they do....then put legwand at wing hell he had 50+ points.

So yes comparing legwand to Quincey in terms of ho is a bigger need an cost is quite easy...if you think.


Not to throw another log on the fire, but you essentially talked yourself out of your own argument. You're saying we have no depth at C, yet then went on to list 7 guys, yes 7, who are extremely competent at C, with at least 3 of them who could play 1C. You've also omitted Franzen, who's a natural C. 


How would it help by re-signing Legwand? He didn't play that well nor did he seem to fit into the system. It'll just force Jurco to start the season in the minors, which means the kid line will be broken up. By having Legwand, if when everyone is healthy, it means that he'll probably end up playing wing. I don't see how it helps. 


You can't even say now that we lack prospect depth at C after this years draft. 

#2529940 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 04 July 2014 - 08:24 AM

I still think it would be best for Mantha' long term future if he learned to become a pro in GR - even if for only half a season, just to get himself adjusted to playing against bigger, stronger competition. The Wings don't lose here. If he tears up the AHL in the first half of the season, then it's more experience for him and it'll show he's ready for the next  level, without having to shove him in at the deep end with the possibility of stunting his development. 


If he struggles, they can leave him there for longer to adapt and find his game. It's win-win IMO. For the record, it would be awesome to see Mantha start the year with the wings, but I think being in GR, even for a few months, would be beneficial.

#2529689 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 July 2014 - 03:49 AM

khan seems to think mike green is the most likely trade target for the wings






So Kindl for Green straight up anyone? 

#2529688 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 July 2014 - 03:44 AM



It's a long post, so I bolded the things I agree with, and italicized the things I don't.  My main counterpoints are as follows:  1)  The fact that we're not having losing seasons is not a good reason to avoid making smart personnel moves.  Pittsburgh fired their GM and coach after 4 or 5 early playoff exits.  We pat ours on the back and tell them they did a good job because at least they weren't as bad as Buffalo  2)  Our standards as an organization should be higher than "competing in a weak conference".  Holland used to say he wanted to challenge for the cup every year.  Now he's content to scrape into the playoffs and "see what happens.  3)  It's not either/or when it comes to letting kids play vs. acquiring pieces we need.  We've got more kids than spots.  Some of them can be used to acquire players that help us now.  We can't give all of Quellet, Sproul, Marchenko, Backman, and Jenson spots.  Not while keeping Knonwall, Ericsson, Smith, and Dekeyser.  Likewise there's probably not enough room for all of Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Pulkkinen, Sheahan, Mantha with the roster we have.  And IF you keep all those guys then there's definitely not room for all of Helm, Glendening, Miller, Abby.  And all of that is assuming that Kindl is traded, Lashoff is traded, Andersson is traded. 


Oh, and before the ill advised Quincey signing we also had about  14 million in cap space to do it. 


Fact is, we've got more than enough assets to make our team competitive now without mortgaging the organization's future.  So why not do it?


You make some good counter points sir, so I will respond in kind. 


While yes it is perfectly acceptable to make personnel changes without having losing seasons, I think our club has direction for the next couple of years and is trending up - that being the maturity and addition to the lineup of young, high potential players which complement our core players and provide vital depth. I don't think we can sit here and blame KH for not being able to sign FA's. Nor trading for the likes of Kesler, Spezza. If they don;t want to come it doesn't matter what it costs. (but we've been over that a thousand times elsewhere). 


The fact that the East is a weak conference right now is simply that. A fact. Obviously, that is something we can use to our advantage. But I don;t feel KH has become satisfied. Would everyone be bashing him if he'd been able to sign Niskanen? Last year he got the top 2 free agents on his list - what if Weiss hadn't been a bust and had potted 60 points? Lambast me for this all you will, but it's a different era now, and as teams are re-signing their key players before they hit free agency, you're going to have to give up a ton in a trade. I'm not adverse to trading for the right guy, if the price is right obviously. But I wonder right now if KH is holding onto his pieces until we are in the position where such an acquisition would put us over the top. 


This feeds into the lack of roster spots point you make also. Not all of those guys are NHL ready right now. But maybe, by the time march rolls around, if this team is doing really well, then we can use a couple of those pieces to acquire that top 2 D man we so desperately need. 

#2529576 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 02 July 2014 - 05:26 PM


If recent history is any indication we'll get butchered by a better team in rounds one or two.  That's not going to change with a bad defense, an average goalie, and a bunch of kids who are improving just as fast as our core players are declining. 


And it's most definitely not going to change if Ken Holland, and his apologists, have an endless list of excuses for not making the team better. 


Every other team in the league has young talent playing for it too.  If our strategy is to "just let the kids develop" without doing anything else, how are we any better off than any other team who's letting their young players improve as well?  You think Boston and Pittsburgh don't have young guys who are getting better too?


Let me set this straight. I'm for upgrading and improving our team. Obviously, I'd like us to win a cup sooner rather than later, but I also realise, that by being consistently successful and not therefore getting high draft picks, drafting well is important. Which we have done. Personally, I feel that we now have enough youth that are either in our lineup right now or in GR to actually ice a very competitive team in the next 2 years. 


Would I have liked KH to have been able to sign one of the D men we have been debating on here for the last week or two? Sure I would. But it didn't happen. I'm not blind to the fact that we need to improve our D. Another year under the belts of Smith and Dekeyser will go a long way to helping things. But yes, I'm disappointed in KH for not being able to acquire someone better, but it is what it is. IMO, there isn';t much point sitting around throwing s*** about how bad a GM he is. Yes he hasn't made some great decisions lately, and I'll say that. What I will say however is that he has put us in a position to be continually competing, and with our current crop of forwards things look bright. If our kids get a chance on the back end, then we'll be better too. 


Some of you want sweeping changes across the board. And I would agree with you if we didn;'t have a dearth of young talent in our lineup right now, if we had no prospects in GR who are ready to help and will be given (by the sounds of it) every opportunity to help the team. If we were having losing seasons and had no bright sparks for the future, then by all means, blow it up and fire everyone. 


As for getting into the playoffs. Anything can happen, and I couldn't give a damn about how two teams stack up on paper. Yes Boston beat us in 5, but you can't sit here and say that we didn't play well enough to at least get that to 6 games. And the year before. How many people can honestly say they picked the Wings to knock off the Ducks? The team we have right now is a hell of a lot better than that one was. 


I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses. Nor drinking the cool aid. What I can see though is that patience, and timely additions in the next 2 season will put this team back where it all belongs. And I firmly believe that this season will be better than the one that has just gone. If people disagree, then that is their prerogative, but I won't' call for an overhaul when it's clearly not worth it, especially when we can ice a competitive team in a weak conference.