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#2536524 Mantha's Injury

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 18 September 2014 - 02:30 PM

As much as this news sucks, I'm going to put a positive spin on it, because I feel like it. 


1. This increases dramatically the possibilities of Jurco starting the year and remaining with the Wings - where hopefully they'll reunite the kid line from last year with him, Tatar and Sheahan, whom I thought were truly tremendous. Not only does this add to our scoring depth, it allows the 3 of them to grow their game at the NHL level together, feeding off each other and reaching new heights. Add into the fact that if D and Z are healthy, they won't be playing against top line opponents, which maximises their opportunities for success.


2. While we may have seen Mantha start the year with the Wings (I felt it unlikely, but no one could count it out), his injury/rehab process will mean that he will definitely start his pro career in GR, which is at this stage what I feel is best for him. Get his confidence playing against men, and then he can help the Wings down the stretch next year or as a playoff black ace, while getting a cup of coffee at some point along the way. 


3. It opens the door for others - Pulkkinen especially, and that free roster spot may now open the door for someone like Callahan to prove he's worth more than say Andersson.


The negatives I can see from this:


1. Mantha doesn't get to even participate in camp, nor play pre-season games against pro opposition. 


2. He'll be rehabbing, unable to use that leg for 5-6 weeks, which will put his progress back a little way. By no means is it insurmountable, but not the kind of start you'd want to your first pro season.

#2536319 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 16 September 2014 - 03:41 PM


There is absolutely no way KH is going to not take advantage of the "free year" of development. 


So, 9 games is all we get this year, folks. 


It wouldn't be all that much of a bad thing tbh. Give Mantha virtually a full year to adjust to the pro game and then start tearing it up, while the Wings gain a free year of his deal. 


That way, when he does start on the NHL roster guaranteed in 15-16, he'll be much better than he is now. 

#2536181 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 14 September 2014 - 08:51 AM

I love Mrazek. But right now he's a top AHL goalie, not an NHL one. Tons of potential yes, but until he's Howie's backup and is putting up Corey Schneider like numbers then I'll be more excited. Didn't stop me from getting his rookie card tho....

#2536162 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 13 September 2014 - 04:45 PM

I reckon they'd probably give him 2 years as Howie's backup - 1 to get acclimated, 2 to excel. By that time Jimmy has 2 years left and it's anybody's guess. 

#2536034 Dekeyser signed. 2 yrs $2.187 million AAV

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 12 September 2014 - 03:26 AM

I think management really sent a message to Kindl when they benched him for game 5 vs the Bruins and played Ouellet (who I thought played great). 


At this point, I'd really prefer them to roll with one of the kids than have Kindl back there. I get that it takes longer for D to develop, and if we had a much more bonafide top 4, then I think we'd be willing to be a bit more patient. But the fact that our D is this teams weak point, and that we've got 4 promising prospect who might be NHL ready or near to it, means that really we should be making those last two spots an open competition. 


And I agree with everyone on Lashoff, except that last year he did step up his physical game. I distinctly remember Ken and Mickey making note of it at one point. But still, he's a serviceable 6-7 at best.

#2535981 Ericsson and Alfredsson not 100%

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 11 September 2014 - 03:00 PM

Just funny how we don't see a thread here about how happy Datsyuk is and how he says his knee is strong and healthy, and how Z says his back is the best it's felt in a long time. 


Instead, we're down to whining about Ericsson and his shattered finger. Quite frankly, I'm not surprised its taking this long to heal. After all, it was shattered......

#2535918 2015 Winter Classic : Blackhawks vs. Capitals at Nationals Park

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 11 September 2014 - 03:17 AM


I'm counting all outdoor league games. Classic, "Stadium Series", etc.


19 teams have participated in 15 games.


3 games


New York Rangers

Chicago Blackhawks

Pittsburgh Penguins


2 Games


Detroit Red Wings

Montreal Canadiens

Los Angeles Kings

Philadelphia Flyers

Washington Capitals


1 Game


Boston Bruins

Buffalo Sabres

Anaheim Ducks

New Jersey Devils

New York Islanders

San Jose Sharks

Edmonton Oilers

Calgary Flames

Vancouver Canucks

Ottawa Senators

Toronto Maple Leafs


0 games


Colorado Avalanche

Columbus Bluejackets

Arizona Coyotes

Dallas Stars

St. Louis Blues

Minnesota Wild

Nashville Predators

Winnipeg Jets

Florida Panthers

Tampa Bay Lightning

Carolina Hurricanes


That's interesting. All the teams that haven't participated in a game yet minus St Louis are expansion/relocated teams from the 90's on. 


How growing the game coming along Gary? 

#2535864 2015 Winter Classic : Blackhawks vs. Capitals at Nationals Park

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 10 September 2014 - 03:39 PM

I would have loved to have seen Colorado vs. Minnesota at Target Field. Or Dallas vs. St. Louis at Busch Stadium. 


Either of those would have been great. But they're not big media markets for Hockey. It's all about the $$$ essentially. And its a joke, recycling the same teams in match ups that frankly, interest no body, watering down the entire thing. At least last years game had some history to rivalry.

#2535763 Ottawa Senators are trying "European style" supporter sections

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 08 September 2014 - 04:02 PM

I predict the games will be more fun...right up until fans from the supporter sections start beating the hell out of opposition fans.  I get the feeling that in North America this will turn violent.  Then again, maybe not.  The Canadiens already have an atmosphere very much like this, and as far as I know nobody had been injured.


Having been to many a football (sorry, soccer) game here in England, and then seen the contrast at Rugby games, I am tempted to classify most football fans as hooligans, but I shall refrain. That being said, I tend to feel that segregating home and away fans breed hatred and animosity (at least it does here in my experience). Most fans spend most of the game exclaiming profanity towards the referees, or other fans, or the teams. 


Contrast to the many games of rugby i've seen, where fans are freely integrated, and convivial with each other. The same I've seen at the 10 or so NHL games i've seen in the states and canada. I also went to a Swiss National League game a few years back and they were chanting the entire game. It's nuts. 

Personally I prefer things the way they are right now, and am against segregation, but that's only due to my previous experiences here. Whether they would turn into that if its tried in the NHL, who knows

#2535760 Nice article on Mantha

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 08 September 2014 - 03:54 PM

Definitely not classifying him as a budding star yet, I need to see him compete against pros first.


Heck, I wasn't even classifying Crosby as a star coming out of junior....he dominated from day 1 in junior as a 16 year old and looked like a sure bet, but he was on the small side and I certainly wondered how he'd make in in the NHL playing against men.  It's different here though, I figured he'd be a pretty good player regardless, I just wasn't ready to suggest he was a lock at being a STAR in the NHL.


Exactly. You can be the most dominant player in juniors against kids, but playing against men is a different story. 


Still why I think it's better for him to get his feet wet in GR first rather than making the big club off the bat. 

#2535743 Detroit offers D Raphael Diaz tryout

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 08 September 2014 - 12:35 PM

I may be remembering incorrectly but I think there were several teams interested in Alfredsson, and several more that were interested in Weiss. 

As for this year, there were what, five players that the Wings targeted that weren't signed, and the Wings are one team in a league of 30.  The odds are NEVER going to be in our favor to sign any particular player, especially when said player is besties with the coach in Washington, and that other player wants to be with his family in Minnesota, etc etc.


side note: Funny that this article was posted on mlive this morning, because it mentions goaltender prospect Jared Coreau picked the Wings over seven other teams back when he was a free agent.  He did this knowing he would be just one goalie in an organization that already includes Howard, Gustavson, Mrazek, McCollum, and Peterson.  But he picked the Wings because of the system's ability to develop players properly.  So there you go. http://www.mlive.com...jared_core.html


I believe (if my memory serves me correctly) that he had the choice of Detroit and Boston. 


EDIT: This seems to suggest the Bruins were at least interested, but Alfie chose the Wings




I don't expect any of them to make the team out of camp either.  They will give both Kindl and Lashoff an opportunity to be in the top 6 throughout the first 10-20 games.


That's the Red Wing way and I fully expect that.  The only way that changes is if someone truly surpasses expectations and blows them out of the water or severely underperforms.


They've made large personal and financial commitments to their roster players and they're going to give them more than a fair shot. 


If they blow it, then fine.  But they'll get their fair shot.



Agreed. And I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them gone and a kid called up by December. 

#2535562 Lines Thread

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 04 September 2014 - 02:00 PM

I'm really excited to see how this plays out. After a day of thinking about it, it could work really well. Helm might get a breakaway per game if he plays with D and Z


As for the 4th line debate, I agree with Krsmith. Andersson had one good year, but IMO doesn't bring enough even to warrant 4th line playing time. With his limited offensive upside, he's better suited to the 3rd line, but now we've got Sheahan. And I'd rather have Glendening on the 4th line. There's a reason he played against some of the toughest lines in the league last year. He might have stone hands, but so what? His career potential is a 4th line shut down guy, not a 20 goal scorer. Yes he needs to improve his face-offs, but he's well aware of his strengths and weaknesses. 

#2535471 Lines Thread

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 September 2014 - 05:03 PM

Helm on the top line is very interesting, providing it lasts more than 2 periods in the preseason.  He demonstrated flashes of offensive talent when he returned last year, much to the surprise of LGW, so maybe he can be a contributor.  What interests me the most is his speed paired with Datsyuk's vision/hands.  With Helm's wheels, its going to force the defense to back off and respect that a bit, especially on the breakout.  At the same time, a player like Datsyuk you want to play tight, and stick close to him.  That dynamic could be trouble for defense if they aren't careful (especially if Helm finally learns how to capitalize on his opportunities).

I just don't know if he'll be as effective in real life.


Exactly. And this is why I wonder why people are so hesitant about this. personally I think it's a great idea. With Pavel and Hank together, we don't necessarily need someone with all the tools of a top line winger. With Helm's speed and his ability to crash and bang and generally create havoc, and Pavel dishing the puck, it frees Hank to shoot more. (remember, it wasn't so long ago that he scored 40)


Plus, I think Helm's offensive ability is a tad underrated. He's got better hands than Abby for a start. And he scored 12 goals in only 42 games last year, well above his career pace, playing 3rd line minutes. With a better quality of line mates surrounding him, who's to say he can't get 25 in a full season?


And if it's not working, then change it up. But there's certainly no harm in trying.

#2535445 Lines Thread

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 September 2014 - 11:45 AM

I think the whole Jurco vs Callahan thing right here and why some view Jurco to get preferential treatment even though he's spent less time in the minors is simply the fact (IMO) that he got called up, took the job and ran with it. I think we'd be talking about a different situation right now if Jurco had been called up, played like Ferraro did, and then didn't get another shot. Then maybe Callahan would have got more than just his one game cup of coffee, and maybe he would have seized the opportunity.

Quite simply, Jurco got an opportunity and showed he could play in the NHL. If Callahan had got the same opportunity would he have been able to do just that? Who knows. I hope Callahan turns out to be a key forward on the 4th line for the Wings for years to come, but right now, it's Jurco that has shown he can at least play in the NHL. Callahan's turn will come, and when that happens, he'll have to make the most of it. 


Sometimes its just how the cookie crumbles. But, I agree to an extent that it wouldn't hurt Jurco to play the year in GR, and he will get recalled at some point. On the other hand, the Wings have basically created this roster log jam at forward. Cleary didn't have to come back, nor Alfie (although I will be happy if he returns), and we've got either Andersson or Glendening who IMO one of which is expendable (my money's on Andersson, Glendening brings a different style of game that we need more of - like Callahan). 


If Jurco starts the year in the NHL, I'll be happy. But if (as is most likely to happen), he starts in GR, then I'll be happy too. It gives him more time to grow his game and develop into a better scoring and defensive forward so that this time next year when he'll be on the roster from the start (most likely) he'll be maturer and ready to carry a good chunk of the load. 

#2535223 Alfie wants to play

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 30 August 2014 - 07:50 AM

LOL Cleary is absolutely an NHL calibre player. If he comes to camp healthy, he should without a doubt be capable of producing as a third line support guy. The big question is whether or not he is finally healthy... I don't like this signing any more than any other Wings fan, but I do have a ton of respect for Dan Cleary and for the Wings management (Ken Holland) for honoring their handshake deal from last year. I find it very difficult to believe that some Wings "fans" are actually hoping Cleary fails.f****** ridiculous... I hope he proves all the haters wrong and plays 50+ games and puts up 20+ points.


I have a ton of respect for Cleary. But I'm completely divided on this issue. Part of me wants Danny to have a real strong season, but then the other half of me wants several prospects - Jurco and Mantha mainly, to play better than him in preseason so they force managements hand into playing them full time in the NHL this season. More so for Jurco than Mantha, but you get the point. I don't want Cleary to fail or suck though. But part of me feels its time to move on and properly make the young guns transition. Jurco is a big part of that IMO, and if we can get nearly a full season of Tatar-Sheahan-Jurco, we'll be a stronger team.