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#2568528 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 05 February 2015 - 03:18 PM



Every GM - including MacT, Snow and even Feaster - is better at being a GM than any of us fans are. There are only 30 GM jobs and it's extremely hard to get this job. Same thing goes for coaches, assistant GMs.. So that's nothing new Holland did set the bar incredible high by getting the players we've missed and Sather and him were the most active GMs on trade dead lines and free agency if the team needed improvement(s) but for whatever reason his approach changed and he became much more inactive. The Avs just lost EJ for an extended period of time and they are lucky if they even make the playoffs at this point.. Lol at Boston, Los Angeles and Chicago being risky picks...



I'm not about to go and make out the KH is a God or anything, and yes there have been moves I've disagreed with, but I think you have to give him a ton of credit for changing his philosophy. 


Let's face it. The odds of winning the Cup are pretty slim. It's the reason why it's the hardest trophy (IMO) to obtain. How many teams have we seen in the Cap era who have traded away their future in the aim of building their team up only to falter and then slip into oblivion for a few years? 

The Wings have at least, been consistently competitive since the lockout. Maybe not where everyone wants, but the fact still remains that you make the playoffs = you have a shot. Thus, it seems to me that KH and co realised that the way to maintain longterm security and a great team was to go this route we are currently seeing coming to fruition now. Build up and grow your prospects well enough, don't make trades or FA signings that will handcuff you, and add the right pieces only when the time is right. 

#2568005 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 February 2015 - 12:06 PM

If we continue on the same track and keep at a similar pace for the remainder of the regular season (which I fully expect), we will finish, top 3 in the East, and that is dramatic improvement compared to what was expected of this team prior to the season by analysts and even much of the fan base. Even if we do happen to get bounced in the first or second round this season, I definitely won't take that to be a failure of a season. This is a very young and inexperienced team, compared to what we're used to. These kids are only going to improve over the next few seasons, and gaining experience, even if it is the bitter taste of defeat, will only help along their development. I wouldn't be surprised if this team makes some noise in the playoffs this year, but fully expect them to be a legit threat next season, and win a Cup within 3-5 years.


Couldn't agree more. 


I think the California road trip this month will really test what this team is made of. If the wings play anywhere near as good as last months 6 game road trip then I know for sure we're in good hands.

#2567960 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 February 2015 - 06:41 AM

I disagree. Ouellet has a good point shot. Its not as hard as Sproul, but very accurate.Much better than marchenko or Jensen. You need a good point shot to put up points from the back end in the NHL. I'm not opposed to moving him for the right package, but he will be a much more productive NHL defenseman than the others minus Sproul.


This is exactly how I feel after watching Ouellet, and the few games I've seen out of Marchenko. There's an air of maturity in XO's game, he doesn't make many mistakes, and when he does, he seem to instantly be able to rectify them. 

#2567959 What should we do with the Monster?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 February 2015 - 06:37 AM




Glad to hear Monster is ready to come back though. Solidifies the goaltending. I get uneasy everytime McCollum gets in the net, although he did play well in the third against Tampa.


Why? This isn't the wings of the last few seasons, with lacklustre D leaving the goalies hanging out to dry.


Even so, McCollum has looked incredibly solid in his two appearances in this call up. I've been very impressed. 

#2567958 TANK IT! 2014-2015 Season

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 February 2015 - 06:34 AM

I know this is the 'TANK IT' thread, but could we refrain from turning this thread into a 'bashing ritual of franzen and other softies'? The Wings are, after all, one of the better teams in the league this season, much to our chagrin..... :lol:

#2567858 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 02 February 2015 - 07:07 PM

e_prime, this coming offseason will not be anything like the past few, in which we still attracted a few of the top UFA's. You can't compare this team two years ago when everyone was counting us out, saying that the Red Wings are finally going to miss the playoffs (just barely squeaking in), to a team that can potentially finish top in the East, and make a decent run. Like I've said time and time again, players take notice to what goes on around the league, and they definitely see a young, talented team with a bright future. This team has made the playoffs for 23 straight years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. There's no reason to think we will not be a main attraction for UFA's going forward. I think we have a real shot at Franson, and that's the player I would try to go after...


This coming offseason, after re-signing Smith, we'll have Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser, Smith, Quincey and Kindl. Lashoff has been waived and cleared, he will not be on the roster next season, either in Grand Rapids or with another club. Kindl will most likely get waived as well if there are no takers on the trade market. That leaves us with 5 defenseman on our NHL roster, allowing us to sign Franson to a contract and either sign another vet to have as our number 7 or continue to use Lashoff in that spot, or have one of the kids up on a rotation (doubtful). Yeah, I want to see the kids up as much as anyone, but while they all still have waiver exemption, they are most likely to stay down there, unless we do happen to strike out on free agency. Holland will always choose a veteran over a kid when they have waiver exemption, especially if he has the opportunity to add a player of Franson's caliber without giving up assets.


There are a few forward prospects that I feel we should hold on to but the only defense prospect that is off limits for me, is Sproul. I'm glad you're admitting that you just want a trade for the sake of a trade because a lot of the trade proposals that are being thrown around are ridiculous, and will hamper us for years to come...

Speaking of which, Dickie... you would give up Larkin or Mantha, and Ouellet or Sproul, and (another prospect or two...) Athanasiou, and a first round pick for Yandle? Are youf****** kidding me? You're just looking for reactions at this point aren't you? That's insane... I wouldn't give all that up for Weber, let alone Keithf****** Yandle...



To be honest, I don't see how they don't give Ouellet a spot on the backend next year. There's no way they can't, not given how he's played. Kindl has to be gone, or at least waived, because Babs is using XO over him at every opportunity. If you ask me, they only way X isn't on the roster next year is because he gets traded. 


Personally, I'd prefer KH to stand pat at the deadline right now, promote Ouellet full time, and probably do just that in the offseason in the backend. If 1 or 2 kids are actually ready right now, I don't see why we don't just put them in full time on the backend, save our selves some cap space, and allow further development from DeKeyser and Smith to bolster our D from within. 


Now go ahead and shoot me for being too conservative  ;)

#2567696 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 01 February 2015 - 03:26 PM

Hmm. I thought Marchenko was solid, but personally, I think Ouellet has looked better and has more upside. I just didn't see anything at all in Alexei's game. He made some decent plays and didn't look out of place, and maybe it's cause it was his first NHL game in a year, but I just thought that Ouellet looks better and more promising. Might be just me though. Sure as hell glad that their giving the guys a try out though. 

#2567342 1/29 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Lightning 5

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 01:21 PM


Mrazek will be a good pro. 


But he didn’t just have one bad game. He’s allowed 4 goals in each of his last 4 games. He just happened to win three of them because he was able to shut the door late and play clutch. 


But you can’t just put an asterisk beside the Tampa game and call it an anomaly. 


yea I know. He's not exactly been standing on his head the last 4. That 5+ GAA will tell you that. I know that. I was just referencing the game that had just happened that's all. but he's still young. 

#2567331 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 01:06 PM


The odds of the prospects all hitting their top potential is slim, and Mantha doesn't play a power game anyway.  He's a lot more Franzen than Shanahan.  A legit #1 defenseman is one of the hardest positions in the NHL to find, and if you can get one in a trade when he's only 23 years old, you do what it takes to get it done.  If Tatar or Nyquist are traded, they can flip Dekeyser or Smith for a winger to take his spot.  For that matter, they can make a bigger deal with the Coyotes and bring in Vermette as well.


Mantha's game is evolving. We haven't had a prospect with that kind of size or scoring touch in heaven knows how long. Until I see what he's got at the NHL level, I'm not trading him. And I don;t care if he's more Franzen than Shanahan. Size is still size, and we all know that when Franzen was at his best, he was pretty hard to stop. 


And I don't see why we would trade Tatar tbh. The kid is at the heart of our youth movement, and night in night out, shows the most consistent effort, isn't afraid to go to the tough areas, and loves to score. The guy is virtually a top 6 forward right now, and if he keeps going the way he is, may end up as a top line player one day. 


And if we're trying to build our D up, why would we then trade away two of our better D prospects in DK and Smith? 


You would obviously do that deal, and that's fine. I'm just saying I wouldn't want to throw that away, at least not at this stage. 

#2567328 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 01:02 PM

The Wings are 1 point out of first in their division with a game in hand on TB.  Depending on the D brought in, I think one player absolutely puts them in the upper echelon of the league as long as they don't give up a bunch of roster players to do it.


It's funny though, people bash Holland for not having balls to make a trade, but then whenever someone suggests trading anyone decent to bring in a good player like Ekman-Larson or whoever, they panic and say no way, because FUTURE!


I get what you're saying, but I think some of us wouldn't deem it the right time to make a deal right now when doing so would probably hinder the team a few years down the line because some depth has been lost to acquire a player that right now, won't put the things thoroughly over the top. 


Whereas, if we wait another year for growth and development to occur, that trade might actually put us over the top and give us a better chance to sustain a decent run. 


Obviously, I'm not opposed to the right deal. But it has to be that, and it can't be a 'let's throw all the logs on the fire now' approach because I don't believe that this team right now, with say a Yandle added to the backend, for what we'd have to give up, would be close enough to a cup to warrant such a deal.

#2567307 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 11:01 AM

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I can't fathom taking Franson > Yandle. Yandle is worlds better than Cody Franson. Even giving up the assets I mentioned, I think Keith Yandle is an elite offensive defender and you pull the trigger on that move, rather than hoping you can land Franson. He`s the left handed Mike Green without the injury concerns.

Putting this stuff aside, I really do think Holland is up to something. Can't help but wonder if he's showcasing players, finding out how they fare at the NHL level with the intention of using someone, or perhaps both. Of course, I'm assuming he could be showcasing them. No real indication that he is for sure - just a guess. I think the issue with "showcasing" players is that if they look great, you don't want to give them up. If they look like crap, teams kind of sour on them.


This is precisely what I think he's doing. 


Potential is great and all. But actually assessing hands on what players can do at the NHL level is the thing that matters in terms of real evaluation. 


Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Marchenko stays for 2-3 games and then Sproul is recalled. He's showcasing the players not only to see if they're ready, but also to potentially enhance their value in when the deadline comes round. It's smart. KH is putting himself in the strongest possible position by evaluating what he has at the right time. 

#2567302 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 10:53 AM


Doan is their franchise player. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I don't imagine anyone in that organization thinking that Doan is in any way, shape, or form Yzerman-like other than he is the face of their franchise and someone they want in the organization. Doan probably loves Arizona and doesn't want to end up like Iginla -- former face of the Flames franchise.




Exactly. and he's given his career to that organisation, and the city of Phoenix and the community. If anyone's earned the right to stay around, it's him. 

#2567301 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 10:50 AM

Personally, if I'm KH, I probably sit tight right now at the deadline if the asking prices are crazy. Because this team isn't one piece (I.e a top 3 d man) away from challenging from the cup, and there's no point subtracting pieces from the roster or farm who could actually make this team better at the expense of one player. One guy doesn't make a team, especially when Datsyuk and Z are winding down, we need to hold on to some of our high end prospects. Now, don't get me wrong, they could go deep in the playoffs (theoretically, any team could, and the Wings have shown flashes of being pretty good at times) but on paper right now this isn't a cup contender this season I don't think. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them go to the ECF. I really wouldn't. 


Having said all that, I just think this team needs another year of growth and experience. And then a deadline deal or something in the off season to shore up the D properly.


Think about it. Another year of growth from Tatar, Nyquist and Sheahan, and you've got two really really strong scoring lines that are defensively responsible. Miller and Glendening making up a really solid 4th line (along with say Callahan, or Andersson, or Ferraro, or a plug) and a 3rd of Jurco, Weiss, possibly Pulkkinen (who will only get better and adjust to playing in the NHL). Personally, I think the Wings will be fine up front. And when we can add Mantha and AA in the mix in a year or two, it's gonna get really interesting. I have a feeling that Weiss will be expendable in a year or two.


Really, until Sproul/Marchenko/possibly Jensen are ready to play, the stop gaps are really Quincey (which is why I think he got a 2 year deal not one) and Ericsson. Kindl, if he doesn't get traded, may end up as #7 (and there could be a lot worse 7th D men than that) and next year he'll have 2 years left


I think the future of this D lies around DeKeyser, Ouellet and Smith. Take those 3, add Kronwall and if guys play to their potential, that's a decent top 4. not world beating, but solid. Which is why we need to add in the next 2 years with a top 3 guy to solidify things. I see it happening at some point, and I don't think they necessarily have to be right handed. Not if Marchenko shows some really good things this week, and if Sproul gets a look too and they like what they see. 

#2567270 Marchenko recalled from GR... Ouellet sent down

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 06:20 AM

The only reason to trade OEL is of they got several pieces for their rebuild. If I was the Wings GM I'd tell them Kronwall, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Howard are off the table. Pick any roster player and a prospect or two plus a pick for him. Tatar Mantha and Ouellet for a 23 year old top pair D? Yes please.

Doan really is their Yzerman as sad as that is.


I would not do that trade any day of the week. Let's look at this in terms of potential. If all the guys above pan out, then you could be trading a top line power forward (Mantha), and top 6 forward (at least) who plays with more heart, energy and desire for the puck than anyone else I know (Tatar), and a top-4 D man in Ouellet. 


All for a top pairing D man? 


I know you have to give to get, and that's fine. But I wouldn't do that IMO. 

#2567269 1/29 GDT - Red Wings 1 at Lightning 5

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 31 January 2015 - 06:07 AM

Agreed on Mrazek. It was abad game, but goalies, especially rookies playing that many games in a row, have off nights. He'll be fine. And like everyone else, he's got a couple things to work on but once he figures everything out, he'll be very very good. 


And really, the opener by Paquette was a defensive f*** up, as was his second were Mrazek was completely screened. The one he should have had back was Stamkos', but there's a reason that guy is a 60 goal scorer...