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#2534577 Ice Bucket ALS Challenge: Bettman edition

Posted by wings4thecup06 on Yesterday, 05:52 PM

Here's Cheli and Al!:


#2534567 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by wings4thecup06 on Yesterday, 04:29 PM

@theScore: Kovalev is unsure why P.K. Subban is worth $72M: 'He plays like he did on streets as a child.' http://t.co/GoV5aINrNn http://t.co/AFKZPl1Rq8



I have to say, I agree with Alexei. 

#2534394 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 16 August 2014 - 04:26 PM

How did the wings get Stevie y? It wasn't with the 278 overall pick. People are so DMAN short sighted YES THE WINGS TANKED TO GET GOOD. Stop the god damn arrogance and accept it.

Then they continue to draft AND trade AND sign free agents and were able to maintain it. Now they don't trade or sign free agents but still draft so we will see if they can.

It'll be tough for the playoff record the wings are in to happen again but that doesn't matter. What does matter is four cups in the span of 23 years now which can be matched. And I wouldn't surprised to see the kings do that either.


Essentially you've just taken what I said completely out of context. Obviously, I'm highly aware that we drafted Stevie with the 4th overall pick in 1983. And obviously, I realise that's what happens when you have bad seasons - you get to draft highly. 


What I was trying to point was the fact that the Kings young guys that Harold mentioned, were heralded for the fact that they were drafted really high. Contrast that with the Wings, who rarely pick high, and most of the time in the last decade or two have traded them away.But more so, the guys that are core players now were not thought of as hot shot, blue chip prospects.  They had to plough their trade and earn it, and they improved to the point of stardom. 


I hardly think that I was being short sighted or arrogant. 

#2534386 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 16 August 2014 - 01:15 PM


That 2009 roster had Kopi, Brown, Doughty, J. Johnson, Wayne Simmonds, and Jonathan Quick.  They were a talented, but crazy young team.  Brown was the oldest of that group at 23.  Doughty was 18.  Johnson was 21. Quick was 22.  I don't know a ton about the Wings prospects but I'm pretty sure they don't compare to that group. 


Harold, I was essentially responding to that by pointing out the reason those prospects on the Kings were so highly regarded. They were really high picks. As opposed to most guys drafted by the wings - they're lower picks, go much further under the radar and generally take a lot longer to reach any sort of high ceiling that they might have. 


Yes KH has made a couple of bad moves, but not everything he has done has been bad. If I'm arguing this, I'd say this team is still competitive. Making the playoffs still means you're competitive. It means you've got a chance. While this team hasn't been the dominant juggernaut that I think most here would like to see (myself included), doesn't mean they haven't been competitive. And realistically, what if he'd actually signed Suter? This team would have been strengthened no end I feel. But he swung and miss in free agency, and it happens. It just means that it's taking a little longer for the plan to come to fruition in terms of the young guys coming through the system, which we're finally seeing the benefit of. Obviously, I think we'd all like to see the Wings get back to world beaters sooner rather than later, but if it also takes time, and if that means it's done the right way that ensures long term success again, then i'll be willing to wait. 

#2534369 Holland signs 4 year extension with wings **MOD Warning Post 130**

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 16 August 2014 - 04:43 AM


Honestly a lot of people thought Kopitar would be leading the way. He was drafted #11 overall and was ranked the #1 European player.


That 2009 roster had Kopi, Brown, Doughty, J. Johnson, Wayne Simmonds, and Jonathan Quick.  They were a talented, but crazy young team.  Brown was the oldest of that group at 23.  Doughty was 18.  Johnson was 21. Quick was 22.  I don't know a ton about the Wings prospects but I'm pretty sure they don't compare to that group. 


Add to that a handful of solid vets on the team.  O'Donnell, Stoll, Greene, Williams. They added Scuderi the next season. I don't know that anyone would've guessed the two Cups, but they had all the makings of becoming a great team very soon.


Sorry. You should pick a team that isn't my second favorite and I swear I'll keep my mouth shut. :P


Here's the thing about all those Kings prospects you listed:


Brown - drafted 13th overall 2003

Kopitar - drafted 11th overall 2005

Doughty - drafted 2nd overall 2008 

Johnson - drafted 3rd overall 2005 

Simmonds - drafted 61st overall 2007

Quick - drafted 72nd overall 2005


That's four key players who were drafted 13th overall or lower in the space of 5 years. The Wings are lucky (as we all know) if we even get a first round pick. I think what I'm trying to point out is that these guys is that due to their draft position they were already well heralded, hyped and great things were expected of them. 


Our guys? Was anyone really saying that Datsyuk was going to be the hall of fame caliber player he is back in 1998? Right now the only guy in our prospect pool who might even come close to what those guys from the Kings had is Mantha - yet we still don't even know what we'll get from him as there's a chance he might not even play in the NHL this season. 


Personally, I think what we've seen is a philosophy change from KH and the management team -  build up the prospect ranks, re-stock the farm, and slowly integrate those kids into bigger roles in the NHL to compliment and support the big guns so that the team grows while also remaining competitive. Once we have the kind of team that KH believes can compete for the cup, then I think we'll start seeing a few trades to bring in guys that will help maintain that goal. A bit like the Stuart trade before we won in 08. 


I'm guessing here, but I reckon people don't like that because we all want to win now, and on the surface it looks like this team has been going backwards - 1 playoff round win in 3 years. Personally I think this team is moving forward - even with Cleary, and I think the Wings took the biggest step last year. They've established that an entire 3rd line of kids are good enough and ready enough to not only take NHL jobs, but also contribute in a big way. And thus, the philosophy is working. The kids we're drafting and developing are turning into legitimate NHLers. The task I think now is just getting healthy and letting everyone play together so the Wings can evaluate what we truly have, how good everyone is, and what pieces need to be added to make the Wings a cup competitor. 


But I guess that takes time, and not everyone is happy about that. 

#2534115 Alfie wants to play

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 12 August 2014 - 04:24 PM

Injuries aside, I think for me the X factor here is that we've got youngsters now who are ready to contribute and have proven to do that over at least half if not a full NHL season. You combine that with a healthy D and Z and a better season from Howard and I can't possibly see how we can be worse than last year. 


Back on topic, Alfie re-signing will most certainly push Jurco down to GR unless Cleary literally plays his way off the club in camp, and they trade away Andersson. 

#2533932 Greatest Wings game ever

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 09 August 2014 - 07:41 AM

Hockey withdrawal symptoms have reached a point of catastrophy. To alleviate these symptoms I'm watching the entire 97 cup run and will spend most of September watching the 98 run also.


This got me thinking. If you could name one Wings game that you saw that was in your opinion the greatest game you've ever seen, what would it be?


For me it's game 6 2002 WCF vs the Avalanche because it just demonstrated just how dominant Hasek really was and Roy's gaffe was such a beautiful moment. Even better that it virtually cost the Avs another shot at the cup. I just remember being so elated with joy after seeing us stick it to Colorado. That series and that rivalry had so much passion and intensity and I can still hear Gary Thorne's voice as Shanny put the puck past a showboating Roy.


What about anyone else?

#2533917 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 08 August 2014 - 01:17 PM

Well you saw kips post an do agree with him. The wings are missing so much on free agents and trades it's not even funny. But yes they're great at drafting but you can't win just via the draft. At some point some prospects need to be moved.

Trading jarnkrok was fine but only for a rental? That's not fine.

Since we can't get free agents we need to make a trade. Some of the guys being trades we should be on. Guys like Ryan and spezza etc etc.


The Wings are missing out on free agents maybe, but could you really say that any of those guys they targeted since Suter have been essential? If anything, missing out is helping to further the future of this team quicker, by allowing what we saw last season - guys like Jurco, Sheahan, Nyquist and Tatar have emerged as legitimate NHLers. 


Prospects will undoubtedly be moved when the Wings feel the need is there, and when they feel they are absolutely ready to do something that will put them either very close or over the top. I don't feel that we necessarily need to make a trade right now, other than to erase Kindl from the roster to allow for Marchenko/Sproul or Ouellet to begin the year with the big club. What this team needs most right now is to get its top players healthy for 90% of the season, and have further growth from the young guys who were such a big part of the team last season. 

Once that happens (and I firmly believe it will), then we all will have a better view of precisely what the Wings have and how good they could be. After that, something will happen to strengthen this team. All it is is patience. And in the trigger happy world that is the NHL, patience can be a virtue. 


I don't think any of us would be sitting here moaning about the Jarnkrok trade still if we'd gone on a deeper playoff run. But so what? This has been battered to death so can we just forget about it? 

#2533618 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 03 August 2014 - 03:13 PM

Except last years predictions I was right and nearly everyone else was wrong. Sorry that my "doom and gloom" is right. Even though I'm a realist not doom and gloom but whatever. I'll keep being right you keep being wrong.

What significant changes did they make? I thought they signed one good free agent but I may be wrong. If I am then they'd be with Washington as a more improved team.

Just take a second and think. 7 games win verse ducks 7 games loss verse Chicago.

5 games loss verse boston.


People say the west is a better conference why? We can compete with the west but can't in the east thats kind of is ass backwards ain't it?

Then again years previous we didn't do much in the west either. But I think that living in the past argument you're making kind of shows we've been built to play in the west not the east.


Did you read my post where I listed the changes for all the teams in the east? To repeat. Tampa added Stralman and Garrison on the back end, and Morrow and Brian Boyle up front, and Nabokov in net. Despite losing Purcell, they'll probably promote Drouin, so they'll definitely be better. Even with a healthy Stamkos for a full season and no other changes they'd be better. 


And what's your point about this years loss to the Bruins vs the 14 games we played in the previous years playoff? If you ask me, this year wasn't a true measure of our team, due to the decimated lineup and the fact that we never had our kids play with our top guys all year. Add into the mix subpar goaltending and a bunch of rookies who had never seen the playoffs before, and its no wonder. 


You will stick to your opinion of how this team will do this year and I will stick to mine, and that's fine. They're still a playoff team, and Im personally looking forward to seeing the Wings shut a lot of people up this season.

#2533556 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 02 August 2014 - 05:10 PM

They are.


Most definitely. I've been waiting for it for a while now. It'll come sooner or later because these escalating contracts will only continue to get bigger and bigger. It is fundamentally, a joke. PK is a great player, yes, but no guy is worth that kind of money IMO. 

#2533513 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 02 August 2014 - 06:34 AM

I completely agree. If things went right and people stay healthy we could be a top team.

BUT when we've been injury prone why do people think it'll change this season? I like it to...but I'm a see it to believe it kind of guy. Enough of the crap "o joe blow feels good" we have ears that enough. Show me such and such player can stay healthy then I'll believe it.

I'm a big Howard fan and I believe he can be better that alone helps us out. But it'll take more then just him.


So you've essentially gone and just contradicted yourself. You say that we are 'a basement team', now we're a top team? All in the span of one page of a forum thread? 


Words in CAPS aside, you're opinion that we are a mediocre team and the fact that you think that everyone in the east has got better while we have 'stayed the same', is precisely that. Opinion. I believe that lots of teams in the East didn't get better. Some stayed the same, and some got worse. That is my opinion. 


Let's have a brief look at the playoff teams from last season in the East and those on the bubble who missed out:


Bruins - Lost Iginla, lost Thornton. Are still over the cap and haven't yet signed Reilly Smith or Torey Krug yet, so they're going to have to move someone. While still an elite team, losing a 30 goal scorer and a key 4th line component doesn't make them better, it means they got worse


Tampa - IMO the team in the East that improved the most. Added Brenden Morrow and Brian Boyle up front to replace Purcell and Thompson most likely. They re-signedCallahan. Solidified their backup position by signing Nabokov. Big addition on the backend is Stralman, and they acquired a reclamation project in Garrison. With a healthy Bishop and possible Drouin addition, they definitely improved.


Montreal - Subtractions - Gorges, Briere, Vanek, Gionta. Acquisitions, PA Parenteau, Gilbert and Malhotra. And they haven't got the Subban mess sorted out yet, which if they don't agree to a long term deal before the arbiter awards the 1 year deal each side proposed, then they'll have the entire thing hanging over their heads. No way this team improved.  


Pittsburgh - Losses - Niskanen, Orpik, Neal, Engellend, Jokinen. Acquisitions, Spaling, Hornqvist, Downie, Comeau, Ehrhoff. Are they better? I really don't see how. Spaling and Hornqvist don't make up for the loss of Neal, and neither does Ehrhoff over both Orpik and Niskanen. Even if they didn't get worse, they certainly didn't improve. 


NYR - Losses - Boyle, Richards, Stralman, Pouliot, Dorsett.  Acquisitions - Stempniak, Hunwick, Dan Boyle, Glass. So they lost arguably their best line in the postseason, their top D man and only really got reclamation projects and Dan Boyle, who as we all know is on the way out. Am I missing something here? Because I don't see how the Rangers improved either. In fact I think they got worse


Philadelphia - Losses - Downie, Gervais, Hartnell. Acquisitions - Stortini, Nick Schultz, Umberger. While they didn't improve, they didn't get worse either. 


Columbus - Losses - Nick Schultz, Skille, Comeau, MacKenzie, Nikitin, Umberger. Acquisitions - Hartnell, D'Amigo. Can you honestly sit here and say that they improved as well? 


Detroit - Losses - Legwand. Acquisitions - None. Re-signed Cleary and Quincey. So we didn't get in worse IMO, but I would argue that we got slightly better IF Pavel and Hank stay healthy and the kids contribute. The reason I'm optimistic is that at no point last year did we see this team with Pavel and Hank healthy play with the likes of Nyquist, Sheahan, Tatar, Jurco and co. And this is the key. Our top players stay healthy so that those young guys have less pressure and contribute more. A return to form from Howie will also help, as would 60 decent games out of Weiss. While I'm not oblivious to the fact that all that might not happen, I'm still optimistic that even if some of those things happen, we'll be a good team. So right now we definitely didn't get worse, but we could get better pending health.


Washington - Key losses - Grabovski, Halak. Additions - Niskanen, Orpik, Justin Peters. So they got better on the backend, and the loss of Grabovski will probably be replaced by a full season out of Kuznetsov. So they got slightly better, although their goaltending is slightly shaky 


NJ - Losses - Fayne, Volchenkov. Acquisitions - Clemmensen, Havlat, Cammalleri. So they lost on the backend but improved their secondary scoring upfront, while also re-signing Jagr. So they got slightly better. 


Ottawa - Losses - Spezza, Hemsky. Acquisitions - Legwand, Chiasson, Guptill. No way these guys got better. Legwand and Chiasson do not replace Spezza and Hemsky. These guys might be challenging for McDavid. 


Toronto - Losses - McClement, Kulemin, Raymond, Bolland, D'amigo, Gunnarsson. Acquisitions - Winnik, Booth, Santorelli, Robidas, Polak, Frattin. They kind of replaced what they lost. They might have got slightly better on the backend, but other than that, I don't really see much improvement here from the Leafs. Probably stayed the same. 


Now, this is just my opinion, but by my count, that makes 5 teams on that list that I think got worse (Boston, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Rangers), 3 that got better (Tampa, Washington, New Jersey) and 4 that stayed put (Detroit, Columbus, Philadelphia, Toronto). 


With that in mind, I'd have to say that if healthy, the Wings have a decent shot here. 

#2533472 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 01 August 2014 - 04:47 PM


I like you, frank, but I just can't get behind this. You're saying that at our best - which, as 2013 showed, is really quite good - we barely squeak into the playoffs in the weak East, and, to me, that's giving the conference way too much credit. I get that there's this narrative that we're barely clinging to life and THIS is the season that the playoff streak comes to an end, but I think it's largely just that - a narrative. Had we added Datsyuk in free agency, people would be saying, "Holy s***, Zetterberg and Datsyuk?! And they've got all these young studs like Nyquist?! This team's gonna be GREAT!" In fact, going into last season, a lot of the "experts" had us down for second or third in the Atlantic. Did we learn this past season that the conference is super-tough? No, we got destroyed by stupid-ass injuries - and, even then, we still made the playoffs.


The Bruins are an elite contender. They're a team built to win the Cup, and I'm not sure we stand a chance against them in the playoffs even with a healthy roster. But the Bruins are the only powerhouse in the Eastern Conference. Behind them are the Penguins, who feasted on a terrible division and didn't seem like world-beaters any of the times we played them; maybe the Rangers, who were lucky to make it to the Finals and are probably a weaker team this season (losing Pouliot and Boyle and Stralman is a big blow for them and they know it); maybe the Canadiens, who were terrible for stretches this past season and are, I think, entirely dependent on their goalie (look at their roster. Tell me, with a straight face, that they're much deeper and much more formidable than us); maybe the Lightning, who are setting themselves up for great success in the future but aren't there yet and very likely overachieved this past season because Bishop played out of his mind (remember: they lost him for the first round and the Habs streamrolled them); and I'm not even going to mention the Flyers or Capitals or Leafs or Senators or Devils or Hurricanes.


I believe the East is wide, wide open. I don't believe the Wings are truly a fringe team.

Think of all the points we pissed away. We get a few of those back, and we're not an 8th seed.


I can't imagine we don't substantially improve on this past season.


I agree. With the state of the East and also our horrendous injury record from last season, this team is definitely capable of grabbing the number 4 seed, if not 3. While I will remain reserved until we see how the early part of the year plays out, I'm cautiously optimistic. 


Think about it. We've got Gus and Tatar not only starting the season on the roster, but they're both playing solid minutes each and every night. Add Sheahan into the mix, and Jurco, although he's looking like the first recall right now, pending what happens with Cleary. Even just with those 4 kids, that's a massive improvement right there. Increased speed, scoring depth and a little size with Sheahan. A healthy D and Z will be key, and getting Weiss going will really help too. 


Obviously there will be injuries. But if they're less frequent, and to less important players, then there's every reason to think that the Wings will at least challenge for a much higher seed, made all the more believable in my eyes by the fact that really only the Lightning got better in the East this offseason (of those that made the playoffs). 


Like I said, cautious optimism I think is how I'm approaching the upcoming year. 

#2533213 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 28 July 2014 - 06:11 PM

I wouldn't go that far...the cap will go up again and we prolly won't re-sign Andersson. Smith and Jurco I don't see getting what Tatar just got. Nyquist will be the only one getting decent money. We will still have cap space left to low ball free agents and lose out on them.


Yea I don't see why they'd re-sign Andersson. If anything, he'd be put in a package first, although I doubt that'd net us very much in return. 

#2533016 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 25 July 2014 - 02:43 PM

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Franzen

Tatar - Datsyuk - Jurco

Sheahan - Weiss - Mantha

Abdelkader - Helm - Callahan

Miller - Glendenning


Kronwall - Ericsson

DeKeyser - Quincey

Smith - Sproul






2015-16 Stanley Cup Champions! :stanley: ;)


We could actually see this lineup at some point this season, which to me, is pretty exciting! 

#2532647 'District Detroit': Red Wings' New Arena Details Released

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 July 2014 - 03:13 PM

Meh, add it to the list of all the other things that were supposed to transform Detroit:  Comerica Park, Ford Field, The SuperBowl, the All Star Game, the Casinos, the Cobo Expansion.  I'll believe it when I see it.  There was supposed to be a big entertainment and housing expansion with Comerica and Ford Field, too.


Not getting all the affection for Joe Louis Arena.  That place was a dump even before it opened.  It was totally thrown together without much thought.


So what is wrong with the Joe in your opinion? 


I may have a slightly biased sentiment in the fact that obviously I'm a Wings fan and I saw my first hockey game there, but there isn't much I can say I don't like about it. The sightlines are way better than the other NHL rinks i've seen games at (ACC and Centre Bell), the standing room is the best in the league, the concourse and the general place has this old school atmosphere that makes me get really amped up for the game, and I don't know if i'm the only one, but I really really love walking up those steps before you enter the building. 


Yes it's crowded as hell in the concourses and bathrooms, it's old, it doesn't look that aesthetically pleasing from the outside for some, the seats are worn, but frankly, I couldn't care less. I'd take a building like the Joe that has a million times more character than a septic, cold brand spanking new rink anyway. 


Now, that's not to say that the new building will be like all the other ones that have been built. And after seeing and reading about the plans today, I'm definitely excited. But I will definitely miss being right on top of the action for sure.