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#2601167 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Lightning 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) - Series Tied 2-2

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 26 April 2015 - 08:09 AM

I was talking about Games 2-4 for Datsyuk. And if you think Detroit controlled the game after the 2nd goal they scored you were watching a completely different game. I saw a Tampa team on full court press taking shots with reckless abandon on Mrazek. Detroit was on its heels for almost half the game, they went into curse control and that's why they lost. 


But I will agree with one thing: Mrazek has pretty much run Howard out of town so far. He has been why this series is 2-2 not 4-0. If the Wings had any chance at the cup he would be the only choice for Conn Symthe. 


I disagree with your assessment of Datsyuk. He hasn't looked lost at all IMO. He's just been so busy shutting down Stamkos that you don't see him doing much offensively (except for game 1 and game 5). 

#2600142 ECQF Game 4 GDT : Lightning 3 at Red Wings 2 (OT) - Series Tied 2-2

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 25 April 2015 - 09:09 AM

It's funny people actually believe this.


He's only the biggest factor because the rest of the team has looked like hot garbage most of the time. Datsyuk looks lost, Z looks old, Helm has been a non-factor, Nyquist has one goal and not much else to show, Tatar has been pretty much a missing person and the defense, well lets not even get started on them.


The loss was not because of Glendening getting injured. They would have lost had he not. They lost because they spent just about every moment after they scored the second goal on their heels. Tampa controlled play and they scored 3 straight goals. It's that simple.


I'm sorry but that is absolute b*******. That's fine of you to have your opinion but you are completely wrong. That was by far the Wings' best game of the playoffs. They controlled the entire game up until making 3 mistakes within 7 minutes which unfortunately cost them the game. 


Anyone would have thought by your spouting that the Wings had been swept. Let's not forget its 2-2 in a series that most ofd the media thought we wouldn't have a chance to even compete in. And Glendening has been huge. That 4th line has been excellent. There's a reason why the Johnson line has been shut down in this series, and you saw it right there in game 4. Mrazek has been superb, aside from game 2. Datsyuk has looked lost?? Really. Aside from Glendening he's been our best player in this series. Were you even watching game 1? 


Helm has been a non-factor? And how about you actually look at the fact that Glendening is a really good solid player instead of the fact that you think he looks better than you think he asctyually is because in your opinion, the rest of the team is s***? Well if the rest of the team is s***, then why aren't we outside of the playoffs looking in, or staring at an imminent defeat in the first round like so many predicted?


continue to share your opinion sir, and that is fine. But when you ignore the obvious and continue to bash the team that we all know and love, then i will disagree with you. Just because we don't ice a lineup made of all stars anymore and future hall of famers, doesn't mean we can't sit here and respect the effort and hard work this team has put in to make it this far. 

#2597015 Smith in. Marchenko out for Game 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 21 April 2015 - 08:54 AM

I sure hope that Babcock doesn't make roster decisions based on the notion that "crazier things have happened". 


You don't take a guy who consistently struggles with minimal responsibility (Smith), and give him a ton more responsibility, and expect that to work.  It's the exact opposite of accountability.  It doesn't work...anywhere. 


I'd be all for moving Dekeyser up and dropping Ericsson down.  Why?  Because Dekeyser has shown that he can handle his current level of responsibility and thrive.  So you can probably give him a little more. 


But I'm never going to be in favor of giving more ice time, against better opposition, to a player who can't hold on to a roster spot with less ice time, and against worse players. 


Sure, crazier things have happened.  But so have MUCH, MUCH, MUCH smarter things too. 


I respect you sir and your opinions, but in my belief, there are a couple of things that stand out here. No one is saying that Smith is a top pairing D man. In fact, Kronner probably is a number 2 on a good D. But, Smith and Kronwall have played well together in the past, and right now this is all about putting the best possible D pairings together. 


Thus, Q and DK have been our best pair all season, so in no way would you promote DK to play with Kronner at this stage. If you have a pair that plays well together, it'd be a good idea to keep them that way. That would give us 2 pairs that 'play well together', and then Zidlicky with Ericsson would give a solid 3rd pairing of 2 veterans, one defensively minded, and one offensively minded. I'd say that's a better balance. Will it happen? I doubt it.


And accountability - its the entire reason Smith was scratched for the last 3 games. Batting that puck on the bench was stupid, so Babs scratched him as a result. Now that he's kept his head down and worked hard in practice, he's back in. I guarantee he'll be fired up and ready to play. 

#2596885 Smith in. Marchenko out for Game 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 April 2015 - 02:36 PM

Aaaaaand we're back to suggesting Smith should be on the top pair?  C'mon guys. 


I don't have a problem with him coming back in for Marchenko.  Marchenko hasn't looked great.  But if any of you think Smith would look better than Ericsson against Tampa's best players you're nuts.


This is only suggested because last year when they paired Smith and Kronner together, Smith's play went up. That's it. it's not about Smith being a number 1 d man. Its' just that when he is paired with Kronwall, he's a better overall D man.

#2596884 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Tampa Bay Lightning 5

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 April 2015 - 02:33 PM


How is Smith physical?  Like, literally what does he do that makes his play "physical"?


People keep repeating this, but don't ever substantiate it. 


This should be enough to get us started....







Including my personal favourite thus far....levelling Bobby Ryan.



#2596852 Smith in. Marchenko out for Game 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 April 2015 - 12:40 PM

I will say this, Smith has shown in the past that he can be more physical then what I saw from Marchenko. That might help.


Plus it puts DeKeyser and Quincey back together. If they can regain mid-season form, then that's a real bonus.


Trying to stay positive here.


This is my take on it also. We need someone on the back end also to play physical, and I get the feeling that if Callahan is going to try and run someone, Smith isn't going to take any liberties. We could use a little push back, and to put Tampa on their rear ends. 

#2596848 Abdelkader to return for Game 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 April 2015 - 12:36 PM


I thought he was solid in Game 1.  Not so much in Game 2.  I'm hoping having Abby back and possibly switching up the lines will generate more offense so Ericsson isn't defending in his own zone almost the entire game.


I think so. These lines give us much more balance and depth, both scoring wise and defensively. Removing Weiss and going with Sheahan and Jurco together with Andersson at least makes the 3rd line not a liability, and I've liked Jurco's game so far this post season. Just needs to crash and bang and create a few chances. 


Lines: Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Nyquist Helm-Datsyuk-Tatar Andersson-Sheahan-Jurco Miller-Glendening-Ferraro Weiss, Pulkkinen roating in.

#2596770 Abdelkader to return for Game 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 20 April 2015 - 04:41 AM

I really dont think he's talked to the refs more than like 10 times in his career lol. The guy is in his own magical world doing magical things. But i know what you mean



#2596628 Oilers win the Draft Lottery

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 April 2015 - 02:14 PM

No doubt who they should take but when they took yakupov everyone was saying they have to take ryan murray and still took yakupov

Now everyone's saying they have to trade a piece and make a big deal to surround your top forwards and make your team better better and they still won't do it

There's ways to improve your team ... Just not when you got idiots running the asylum


Yea. Yakupov was the mistake. RNH and Hall are good picks, but they didn't need Yakupov, and they should have gone with Murray. Plus, rushing everyone to the NHL is just a bad idea. Look at Draisaitl. Makes you really thankful to be a Wings fan, and to also realise how amazing our 24 straight years really are

#2596627 J Ericsson - really?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 April 2015 - 02:11 PM


slightly off topic but, this point made me want to post this


I don't see how we are expected to win a series with the lines we have right now. Maybe its the roster but looking up and down the lineup you have to wonder how we even have a chance.


Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Helm <---- great line and the only threat, if they dont get it done we lose. You could see that in game 1

Nyquist - Sheahan - Tatar <---- Doesn't seem to be able to get it done in the playoffs yet. Turnovers and little offence and a defensive liability

Weiss - Andersson - Jurco <---- possibly the softest and worst line i could come up with on our roster. No puck possession

Miller - Glendenning - Ferarro <---- I'd prefer someone else over Ferarro but this line is what it is and good at what it does


Basically, if the top line doesn't get it done offensively, noone else will. All we can do is hope that we get some lucky goals and win a game by 1 goal. It sucks. Were playing defensive hockey with a joke of a defence and skeptical goaltending.


We need to spread out Z and D to have 2 legitimate lines. The days of our stacked rosters are over, we can't play them together anymore.


Regarding Ericcson, he NEEDS TO BE DELEGATED. He can be used on this team, but with favorable matchups, not the best players in the NHL. He slows down Kronwall as well, who is literally our only offensive threat on defence.


Play Kronwall with anyone else, we don't have another top 2 dman but noone else aside from Smith/Kindl is a liability like Ericcson is. 


I don't want to go off topic too much, but I agree with your lines sentiment. I've argued before that you can't put Gus and Tatar on the same line in the playoffs. They're too similar and small. Switch Nyquist with Jurco. If Abby is back then they'll be able to separate D and Z which will boost the second line, and either Weiss or Andersson will be scratched. 


As for Ericsson. He's not a top pair D, but he's certainly not a liability. We're not talking about Andreas Lilja here. And while he doesn't play as big as his size would suggest, he's strong, and can move people out of that crease. This time of  year, that's what we need. 

#2596567 Oilers win the Draft Lottery

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 April 2015 - 10:29 AM

Bob as always is spot on McDavid is a professionell he won't say it publically but like I said I would not blame him for pulling a Lindros. But man Hall - McDavid - Eberle that's a damn scary line for years to come.


as far as getting McDavid to Detroit forget about it: some serious gutting of the team would be needed we're talking about: firsts, Larkin, Mantha, Danny D. +++ it's not going to happen. Also the Edmonton Oilers - assuming he pulls a Lindros - won't get Kessel and Phaneuf because both have a NMC and I'm sure the Oilers are on that list.


All the Oilers now need to do is bring in some top 4 defenseman with size to guide Klefblom and Nurse and a proven Number 1 goaltender. If they do that we're looking at a sleeping giant in the West, granted Lowe and his palls could still screw this up.


My personal stance: The draft is a damn joke, these are young adults let them decide and si gn wherever they want to instead of forcing them to go to team X because some lottery balls decided that's the way to do it. I mean, did the Patriots a ball telling them to pick Tom Brady NO they've picked him because he wanted to be there and they wanted him.


Then you'd never get anyone wanting to play in Edmonton, or some of the run down franchises, and half the teams in the league would be a joke, and we'd go back to the original 6 days before the draft even existed when the Canadiens would sign all the best young kids and you'd go back to having 2 or 3 dominant teams in the league. 

#2596549 Abdelkader to return for Game 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 April 2015 - 09:11 AM

I'm worried Abby won't be able to score like he use to because of his hand :( at least he can screen a goalie.
He recently just found his shot and didn't have a lot of time to use it, it's not going to be easy coming off a hand injury in the playoffs.


I know he scored 20+ and that is a massive boost. But. you can guarantee he'll make more space for Gus and Z, will win those puck battles and play physical. Even if he doesn't score, that'll be enough to bring a really positive contribution.

#2596546 J Ericsson - really?

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 April 2015 - 09:06 AM

Anyone else pining for Jiri Fischer right now????


#2596544 ECQF Game 2 GDT : Red Wings 1 at Tampa Bay Lightning 5

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 April 2015 - 09:00 AM

That was just a lackluster, no energy effort by the boys today. No speed, no backchecking, not a lot of support on dump-ins, and I despise this "pass it backward" thing they seem to be failing at. Get to centre, pass it back to the defensemen whether they have speed going or not, possibly turn it over in your own end...and I watched Stephen Weiss the last few games and I do not see how he is contributing at all other than letting the other players catch their breath and eating a few minutes. He stole the puck once today (then handed it to the other team) and I saw one good body check, but no puck possession, no speed, no obvious "intensity", not a threat to score at any time, I just am not feeling he has any positive assets at all right now other than being an active player to jump over the boards when it is his turn.


I agree with your assessment of Weiss, but I disagree with your overall sentiment of how the wings played. Besides from the first period, I thought we did a lot better job of creating chances, sustaining zone time, getting cycles going, and at least getting shots off. 


2 things contributed to the reason the Wings lost. Bishop played outstanding, and the the Wings made a couple of costly mistakes that they got burned on. Mrazek was good. 


As for what others are saying about Smith, I wouldn't mind seeing him in. He would definitely step up his physical play, and I think this series is going to get more intense. We need someone to sit Callahan on his ass otherwise he's going to injure someone at some point. 


DK has really stepped it up physically and is absolutely punishing Stamkos (I've got nothing against Stamkos, i quite like him, but seeing DK level him a couple times has brought a smile to my face). Quincey has a physical element to his game too. But the more the merrier IMO. 


Marchenko has been fine, but nothing special.


I would still go with Mrazek 100% right now, especially as 3 of the 4 goals he allowed weren't his fault at all. If he stinks in game 3, then I'd go with Howard. But right now I'm sticking with Petr.

#2596541 Abdelkader to return for Game 3

Posted by wings4thecup06 on 19 April 2015 - 08:53 AM

I've had no problem with Ferraro. That whole 4th line has been very physical, defensively responsible and good all round. 


I'd probably scratch Weiss at this point. Really just isn't bringing anything to the table. I reckon a buyout could be coming if we can't trade him. 


I'd be tempted to go with a 3rd line of Jurco-Sheahan-Pulkkinen, just to see what happens. I don;t see the point of going with Andersson and Weiss together. They just don't fit. We need a little more offensive depth and I wonder if this would allow us to have that, all with a defensively responsible C in Sheahan and a big body in Jurco.