Way different teams. That 97 team would kick the crap out of this current team.
It could kick the crap out of the '01-'02 and '07-'08 teams also. What's your point? It seems like you and others are looking for reasons to doubt rather than looking for reasons to be hopeful. I don't understand that mindset.
Ah, so Crymson is on the "sarcastic ******* martyr" mode. Surprise, surprise.
I'm so sorry that I dislike your ludicrous and panic-induced "grass is greener" ideology. Babcock is one of the best coaches in the league, but you can't see past your own alarm. So, after his six seasons as the all-around most successful coach in the league, we're ten games into the 2011-2012 season at 5-4-1 and suddenly you think that he sucks as a coach, that the likes of Ken Hitchcock are superior to him, and that he should be replaced. Reading this paragraph ought to show you how silly you sound.
Also of note is that Bowman is not even remotely the imbecile you're making him out to be.
The argument I just presented is based on his production, or lack there of. He isn't worth $3 million dollars a year. Like I said, anyone would match his numbers with the same amount of ice time on this team. He isn't a top-6 forward in this league and shouldn't be paid like one. Yeah he does have injury problems, and you're only naming one injury on a long list of ailments. There are countless others that you are not naming. Basically using a straw man fallacy to prove your point that you're right. Would you like to wager that he scores 30+ goals like a top-6 forward should this year? I have paypal and I don't mind a bet.
LOL. Right. Nine games and you're judging this. Perhaps it's because you have a totally silly hate of Cleary. He was #2 in goals on the team last season with 26, and he played in every situation: ES, PP, PK. He works his ass off and is one of the more physical and fearless players on the team. He's exactly the sort of versatile player that every team looks for at the affordable price he comes at.
Since you seem to be shockingly unaware of it, I'll let you on to something: the lion's share of top-six forwards in this league don't score 30+ goals. And not a single player on the Red Wings scored even 30 goals last season. The team nevertheless finished 3rd in the conference and came within an inch of the conference finals. Another fact that you should be aware of is that the average top-six forward in the league is paid significantly more than $2.8m. But you're not. Because you know nothing.
As for his injury history, I've gone over it with you before. I noted how few games he has missed for injuries that were not unavoidable. Getting hit by a puck in the face. Getting poked in the eye. And so on. I demonstrated beyond doubt that when only his mundane injuries are counted, he plays at or above the average number of games played by an NHL player. I presented statistics and facts. You decided to pointedly ignore them because they did not fit with your delusions about Cleary. And last season, he was hit in the vulnerable part of the ankle by a slapshot. That, too, was an unavoidable injury that would happen to anyone who was in his place.
Like I said, arguing this with you is a waste of time. I don't know what your fixation on Cleary is--it seems your only contribution to these forums is to show up to spout absurd and often utterly fallacious allegations about him (and, of course, you pointedly ignore any posts that prove you wrong)--but it's really pretty ridiculous. Seek answers.
He shows up to make nonsensical threads about Cleary whenever he can. His last one was an "I TOLD YOU SO" thread when Cleary's ankle was hurt from getting hit with a slapshot. "I TOLD YOU HE WAS INJURY-PRONE. AND I WAS RIGHT." Heh. It got deleted by the mods, needless to say.
He completely loses all sense when talking about Cleary, so there's no reason to engage him on the topic.
Doughty needs to learn the same lesson. There was the concussion last season, but already this season he's had an upper body injury because he tried to be Bobby Orr and got rocked with his head down crossing the blueline. He tries to do too much sometimes and it often doesn't end well.
Good thing they have him signed for such a long time. At this rate, he'll be a headcase within a couple of seasons.
My biggest question that I ponder alot is would he have turned out the way he is now if the Wings would have kept him? I mean I know he didn't really fit with what our team was about at the time but I just wonder how things would have turned out if things were different and he was still on the Wings Roster. My first guess is that yes he wouldn't be like this and that Detroit would keep him a lot more tamed than he has become. Just courious!!
Holland traded Avery because the latter did not have respect for the sport. The reason he is not on the team is precisely because of his awful attitude.
Ah, it's this again. Your absurd statement is predicated on two silly premises: one, that the team is definitely in deep trouble (hilarious, given that we're nine games in and the team is 5-4); and two, that you or I or anyone else here could actually do anything about it.
Instead of advising me to be more pessimistic, perhaps you could try something utterly new to you: being hopeful when things aren't going swimmingly.