Agree,not many goalies around the league could compete with Dom in'02 for real,but Manny could find himself a starting job elsewhere easy so it's still a healthy competition,definitely bigger then Jimmy has with Ozzie and Joey Mac atm.
Manny was an unknown goalie at that stage. Hasek was the undisputed #1. That was almost undoubtedly a condition of the trade, hence the Wings getting rid of Osgood.
Back in '02.Using one of his favorite quotes about putting the best team together,Ken waived his 'son' Osgood,to make a room for Dom.I'm wondering why he didn't pull even much lower risk move with Vokoun
What risk? Waiving Jimmy to get a one-year contract with a goalie who is in the twilight of his career? How's that low-risk?
Right. It may sound like that, but these are all assumptions on your part, so I don't see why you go questioning someone's reading abilities or acting like Vokoun wanted a handout when nothing in the article confirms what you're saying. It's all just speculation.
Boudreau could just as well be announcing Vokoun as starter for publicity reasons after his team s*** the bed in the playoffs once again. With Vokoun they've got a proven goaltender in net (not much playoff experience but that's hardly his fault). That would make me happy if I were a Caps fan, knowing now we've got a promising young goaltender and a solid experienced one.
If a goalie as good as Vokoun takes a discount that big, it wouldn't be surprising he would want some guarantee in Washington of the starting gig, but who knows what the potential offer was to play in Detroit. Holland never even commented specifically on Vokoun.
And to be clear, I'm not assuming Holland just told him no. I don't know what went on at all in any of the negotiations, other than Vokoun signed with the capitals.
The assumptions I made were supported by the article and by solid logic. And yes, I will question the reading comprehension of anyone who comes away from that article thinking, "OMG WHY DIDN'T HOLLAND OFFER TO LET HIM COMPETE FOR THE STARTING JOB???" when Holland almost certainly did just that.
Because Holland can somehow get every single player he wants?
Again, you're making the assumption that Vokoun somehow ruled out signing with the Wings simply because he would not be guaranteed the starting job without having to compete for it. Unless there's some article out there I haven't seen, nothing Holland or Vokoun has said confirms that. It's all just speculation and quite likely that there were other factors involved in his decision, yet you're latching onto this one detail like there has to be some reason that makes Vokoun look bad, just because he didn't sign with Detroit.
If Holland had been able to get Vokoun without declaring him the starter over Jimmy outright, I'm 100% certain that he would have.
Ultimately, who cares? He signed with Washington.
You do. And I think this is a discussion forum. Feel free to correct me if I am incorrect in that.
People seemed to forget what happened in 02 and 08 with a healthy competition among the Wings goalies
2002? Hasek was indisputably the #1 goalie coming in that season. Osgood was put on waivers almost immediately after Hasek was traded for. The Wings never had any intention of keeping Osgood. So whom was Hasek competing with? Manny Legace?
I agree that Hasek and Osgood did great together from '06-'08. However, both were in the twilight of their careers at that stage. The last time we had two goalies in their primes competing for a spot was in 2003. That didn't go well, different though the circumstances may have been.
$1.5M for that caliber of a "back-up" would be huge, you honestly would have 1a and 1b goalie situation. Split the games evenly and the one who starts to perform better down the stretch gets more games near the end and the playoff nod. I want Nick to have the best chance for him to go out on top and Vokoun would've been worth the risk.
Again--if Holland could have gotten him, he would have. Vokoun had a choice between a guaranteed starting position and a starting position he'd need to compete for. I think that was an easy choice for him.
Where does it say that? I read the article, and the only part that comes close to saying that is the conjecture made by Wyshynski about how Vokoun will be starting in Washington without having played a game for them. Nothing Holland said indicates anything about Vokoun, or any goalie, wanting to be given the starting job.
That sounds like wanting to compete for the #1 job, which I can completely understand with Vokoun. He very well could've won the job with the Wings.
That sounds like wanting to be declared the starter outright at the beginning of the season. He got that with the Capitals. He wouldn't have gotten it with the Wings.
And it's not like Detroit doesn't have a history of bringing in other goalies to compete for the job when the opportunity is there.
Vokoun's ultimate choice makes it pretty clear what he wanted. Why would Boudreau have immediately announced him as the starter otherwise? He went to a contender cheap. He wanted the starting gig. He would go to a team that would give it to him outright over a team that would make him compete for it.
I'm annoyed by the notion that no matter what, Jimmy has the #1 spot locked up. If we're choosing between him, Joey Mac, and Ozzie, then yes Jimmy is the #1 for sure. But Vokoun is a different story. If he were a part of the equation, it's only fair to let him and Jimmy battle it out and prove on the ice who deserves the #1 spot. And that's what Kenny should've told Vokoun. Cause if he had, then maybe he would've signed with us. Obviously he's not gonna sign here if he's presented a backup role only. In my eyes, it should ALWAYS be a "may the better man win" situation. Especially with a former all star goalie like Vokoun.
Why do you have any doubt whatsoever that Kenny DID tell him that? Why are you assuming that Kenny just told him "No"? That would be pretty damned stupid of Kenny, and Kenny isn't stupid.
Vokoun's two choices were as follows:
1) Sign with Washington and be the guaranteed starter. 2) Sign with Detroit and compete with Howard for the starting job, and risk being relegated to backup status.
Which option do you think was more attractive to him?
The Wings are a professional sports team, and not a charity case. We don't owe Howard anything. We're trying to put together the best team possible.
If he couldn't beat Vokoun for a job, he shouldn't be a starter.
It appears you didn't read the article. Vokoun's was interested in being given the position of starting goaltender. He was not interested in competing for the position. Notice that Boudreau has already announced that Vokoun will be the starting goalie for the Caps. The Caps were willing to give him that guarantee. The Wings were not, and rightfully so.
I am convinced that the Holland is going for the cheapest route possible because there is going to be a move for someone at some point.
Vokoun would have been cheap, if you hadn't noticed. He signed with the Capitals for only slightly more than Patrick Eaves is making. It would simply have been horrible form for Holland to have signed Vokoun and named Howard the backup.
I'm drawn on the idea of the wings moving east. Sure, I like the idea of playing the leafs more, and I do think Detroit would have an easier time out east (not that they have a hard one now). I just think it would be bittersweet to move away from our more current rivals. I know the Avs aren't what they used to be, and chicago isn't going to be as difficult with all it's cap troubles, but I do find myself enjoying how much I root against the both of them. anyone else feel similar?
No. It has gotten old. And Toronto, Montreal and Pittsburgh will do just fine as rivals.
I think everyone here is forgetting that Yandle is crap defensively. Even Coyotes fans are very willing to admit that he is so.
Many of us here are showing a disturbing habit of over-idealizing players signed by other teams this offseason. Are you so eager to believe that the Wings will fail with the roster they currently have?