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Don't agree with White and Tootoo being scratched. Sigh.

Last night was the first time Detroit had 3 fighting majors in a regular season game since October 30th 2003 against Nashville when they had 9 majors, including one against Tootoo.

 

If anyone wants to re-live that glorious game and the ass kickings by McCarty, Fischer and co. here you go:

 

http://www.dropyourg...aspx?Game=25149

 

I'm gonna post this one because it was an all time fight classic:

 

 

 

Edit: best post this one as well...

 

Reports saying Tootoo is a scratch whilst Eaves plays with a face guard? Really?

 

I know Babcock is struggling at the moment but use a bit of common sense please. Especially against Anahiem and the fact Tootoo should be on 3 goals now if not for the refs.

 

Sigh.

I'm not going to keep going point-for-point with you on an argument that is subjective and cannot be won.  Clutterbuck is as good as Tootoo (probably better), and that Wild team has been borderline terrible for his entire career.  Of course momentum matters, and yes, a well-time hit, or a non-scripted fight can be a source of momentum.  But they are not the ONLY sources of momentum.  Some of the worst teams in hockey employ the best hitters and leaders in PIM/fighting majors, and it's been that way for years.  

 

The fighting thing is a side show.  You saw it again with Ken and Mickey last night.  Ken (who I like as an announcer) saw Nik Kronwall get boarded and stagger off the ice with what looked like a possible concussion (turned out later he was okay, and Howard is apparently the one that is hurt).  Ken seemed almost borderline excited that now Tootoo would have a reason to fight Rich Clune!  As if a 45-second face smashing contest is a good trade-off for losing your best defenseman for a few games or weeks.

If you don't agree with me on the fighting thing, you probably won't agree with me on Tootoo either.  But it's clear that:

 

(a) The presence of Tootoo didn't prevent Kronwall from being cheap-shotted in the first place, nor did it prevent Setoguchi from busting open Quincey's chin on Sunday (Setoguchi doesn't fight anyway), nor did Brad May (an actual heavyweight) prevent the rash of cheapshots and injuries that besieged the Wings after he was acquired in 2010.

 

(b) You can't spark anything from the bench, which is where Tootoo is for 52 out of 60 minutes every game

 

© Fighting as a reactive, symbolic gesture after somebody has already cheap-shotted your team feels good, but really doesn't impact short-term or long-term success of the team.

 

Tootoo played well yesterday, I'll give him that.  The goal was lucky, but he had a great opportunity earlier where Rinne robbed him.  He is on this team, and the Wings might as well play him if they're paying him.  But he is a defensive liability, and I don't trust him long-term to avoid dumb penalties, which is what happened at the end of his Nashville run.  He's also blocking the roster spot of a Griffins player that could potentially become a role player or Top 6 forward, which we're going to need a lot of in a big hurry with Cleary, Bertuzzi, Sammy, etc. aging fast.

 

So much hate without any logic. What a quality read. Really don't know how to reply to that so I'll just list some bullet points.

 

1) Tootoo is one of the best middleweight fighters in the league without a doubt. He's also one of the hardest hitters in the league, without a doubt. Anyone who knows their stuff on this subject, which judging by your post isn't you, will back this up. Tootoo was almost unanimously voted the best fighter under 6 foot recently on hockeyfights.com

 

2) You say he's a defensive liability yet he has the 8th highest +/- on the team and the most of anyone on the bottom 2 lines.

 

3) He has one minor penalty in 16 games. Your argument of dumb penalties is ridiculous.

 

4) You seem angry that Ken+Micky and 90% of hockey fans enjoy a good fight. Good. We do and don't care you don't.

 

5) You seem to be confusing Tootoo with an enforcer but clearly you're talking about a subject you know little about. Middleweights have not been, nor ever will be, enforcers.

 

Bored now.

20 comments

 

10 negative or sarcastic

9 neutral

1 positive

 

yup.  Welcome to LGW

 

You forgot

 

2 Condescending boring holier-than-thou s***e

He's a better option then Vandermeer, why?

The Griffins got absolutely beat up (apart from Tatar at 3:50) because the Rockford 4th line goons were up against one of the Griffins scoring lines which obviously had no real fighters on except for Aubry who still got beaten up.

 

Props to Tristan Grant for leaving the bench to go after Beach who was trying his best to send Sheahan to a hospital at centre ice, even if he's going to get a massive suspension for it. Poor Callahan had two guys trying to pound him at once. Real goonery from the Ice Hogs. Beach will have a target on his head when these two next meet.

 

If anyone's interested, the Griffins won 11-6 with a hat-trick from Callahan.

Nyquist is fine.

So good to have the FSD team back in my life! Enjoyed listening to Holland as an extra announcer in the 1st. Babcock in the 2nd should be even better.

There won't be a stream in the "usual place" as drum has no access to FSD now. He needs help from someone with a D*r*ctTV account.... *looks at someone in this thread*

Hopefully we can get something sorted by Friday!

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. – The Grand Rapids Griffins announced on Monday that this Friday’s home game versus the Charlotte Checkers will air live on Fox Sports Detroit at 7 p.m.

The game will be called by the award-winning broadcast team of Ken Daniels and Mickey Redmond, who have worked Detroit Red Wings games together on Fox Sports Detroit for 15 seasons. Daniels is a two-time winner of Michigan Sportscaster of the Year (2003 and 2010) and was presented with the 2010-11 Ty Tyson Award by the Detroit Sports Broadcasters Association. Redmond, who has worked in the team’s television booth for 26 years, was honored in 2011 with the Foster Hewitt Memorial Award for outstanding contributions as a hockey broadcaster.

The Griffins will host back-to-back home games this weekend versus Charlotte and Rockford (Saturday at 7 p.m.) before visiting Chicago on Sunday at 5 p.m. EDT for their third game in three days. Tickets for both games at Van Andel Arena are available at griffinshockey.com.

http://griffinshocke...article_id=2263

Why the hell did I write Saturday in the thread title? Someone change it for me please because I'm an idiot.

I'd rather be known as a whiny animal lover than a fan of Jordin Tootoo.

Cool story, whiny animal lover.

Tonight at 7PM EST. Would have been on FSD had more people voted but ah well...Hockey is back! Well...AHL hockey is back anyway. First regular season game for the Griffins tonight. A few current Red Wings in Smith, Tatar, Nyquist and a few up and coming guys like Jurco and Sheahan start their first pro year.

Full preview can be read here, it's too long to post in full:

http://griffinshocke...article_id=2247

Detroit Exports: Eighteen Red Wings-contracted players are on the Griffins’ 23-man roster, including goaltenders Tom McCollum and Jordan Pearce; defensemen Adam Almquist, Gleason Fournier, Brian Lashoff, Max Nicastro and Brendan Smith; and forwards Joakim Andersson, Louis-Marc Aubry, Mitch Callahan, Landon Ferraro, Tomas Jurco, Gustav Nyquist, Francis Pare, Trevor Parkes, Brent Raedeke, Riley Sheahan and Tomas Tatar.

I am very excited Especially for a 4th line of Callahan-Aubry-Grant.

Hopefully Drumnj will get us all sorted.

And hopefully the mods will let this stay in the Red Wings section, so we can all talk about hockey for once.

Some more meaningless words from the NHL:

Despite the expiration of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, the National Hockey League has been, and remains, committed to negotiating around the clock to reach a new CBA that is fair to the Players and to the 30 NHL teams.

Thanks to the conditions fostered by seven seasons under the previous CBA, competitive balance has created arguably the most meaningful regular season in pro sports; a different team has won the Stanley Cup every year; fans and sponsors have agreed the game is at its best, and the League has generated remarkable growth and momentum. While our last CBA negotiation resulted in a seismic change in the League's economic system, and produced corresponding on-ice benefits, our current negotiation is focused on a fairer and more sustainable division of revenues with the Players -- as well as other necessary adjustments consistent with the objectives of the economic system we developed jointly with the NHL Players' Association seven years ago. Those adjustments are attainable through sensible, focused negotiation -- not through rhetoric.

This is a time of year for all attention to be focused on the ice, not on a meeting room. The League, the Clubs and the Players all have a stake in resolving our bargaining issues appropriately and getting the puck dropped as soon as possible. We owe it to each other, to the game and, most of all, to the fans.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=641584&cmpid=fb


Nothing much I hate more in sports than the legal drafted bulls*** PR statement by the arrogant, greed filled people who think we as fans are simpletons waiting to lap up anything and everything they say with open wallets to throw money at them afterwards.

AHL for me.

For the forth time since 1992, we have an official lockout.

A round of applause for our amazing commissioner Gary Bettman, who is overseeing his third lockout, and the league's fantastic owners who both care so much about the NHL and it's fans

Both sides met thousands of times over the last few weeks and worked really hard but just couldn't get a deal done.