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#2683463 Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 19 July 2016 - 12:12 AM

It's always really tough for me in debates like this because we haven't seen a lot of the guys who have received the honors. I surely didn't watch Gordie play 20+ full seasons, Or a full season for half of the other names hanging in the rafters. What truly makes a legend worthy of being permanently enshrined in team history that no other player can wear their number again? 

 

I've been watching since about 1989-1990 when I was old enough to really follow and enjoy the sport. There are two absolutely firm, undeniable champions of this team, and they were Yzerman and Lidstrom. If I am going to war, I want Yzerman as my General. If we are being invaded, I want Lidstrom on the front lines of defense. Both guys, for me, were slam dunks and unquestionable. 

 

I'm not sure I feel that way about any of the 4 in debate in this thread, but if there were one, the most impactful, the most statistically superior and significant, it would be Osgood. You also need to consider that you are stacking one goalie against 18 skaters on each team, and the rarity of having a goaltender outshine the other 18 players on the ice is uncommon. 30 starting goalies compared to 540 skaters each season (obviously not considering call-ups, injuries, changes in starting roles, etc.)

 

My point being, it's a bigger feat to be a difference maker in net compared to being a difference maker as a skater. In the record books, for wins, playoff wins, if there is a true Red Wing goaltender in the entire history of the team, as both an onlooker looking at the statistics, and a fan of the team that witnessed the accomplishments, he is the 2nd greatest Red Wings goaltender in the history of this team. He wasn't flashy, he had his bad moments (and awful ones) but who hasn't?

 

Do I personally think he deserves it? Yes. Will he receive the honor? I truly don't know. A case can be made for all 4 of these players.




#2683458 Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 18 July 2016 - 11:15 PM

I'd give my opinion on Hasek vs Roy vs Brodeur but Puckloo might call to have me lynched.  :scared:

 

I couldn't vote because solely Osgood wasn't an option. I wasn't even a big fan of the guy, but it's very hard to deny the numbers he put up for the team as a whole, and it's about individual team effort, heart, and contribution that puts you among the legends in the rafters. 




#2683457 Shea Weber for Pernal Karl Subban

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 18 July 2016 - 11:10 PM

I live about 45 minutes from Nashville, for the fans and the community, be it a seemingly small one, I hope he does well here and it draws more fans to the sport. It may even get me out to my first Preds game, I've lived here 3 years, maybe it's about time. 

 

I'm personally a big fan of the guy, he has a big heart, a big personality, and was overwhelmingly charitable for his community when playing in Montreal. He's good for the sport, plain and simple. I hope he's well received in Tennessee. 




#2682084 Who do you have as the top 5 Wings of all time..

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 03 July 2016 - 03:55 PM

I don't think it's that close between them to be honest. I think Dats just has the "WoW" factor because of his dangles. Truly Fedorov was the best player in the league for a good 2-3 years. 

 

Feds was a 50 goal scorer, had more than 10 game winning goals in so many seasons. He also had 31 short handed goals! (holy crap) And the fact that Bowman was able to put Fedorov on defense (where he did really well)  truly shows how good he was as a two way player. Also I think there was a time when Fedorov was one of the best faceoff guys in the league as well. 

 

Not to mention Fedorov was the fastest hockey player in the world for a long time. A lot of these factors are something Dats lacked imo. 

 

I think if there's any player that I've witnessed as the most complete player, my vote would go to Fedorov. However I'd rank Yzerman before him simply because Stevie was a better playoff performer. Which at the end of the day.. is what matters most. 

I agree with most of this, but i'm also putting into consideration the team that Fedorov was around, compared to Datsyuk, especially in these later years. Fedorov thrived in a cap-free league with a lot of elite players around him. He also eventually moved on to a different NHL team whereas Datsyuk was a career Red Wing.

 

It's tough as a fan of both players, but I liked Datsyuk more overall and I think that sways my decision a bit also. 




#2682072 Who do you have as the top 5 Wings of all time..

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 03 July 2016 - 12:56 PM

Opinions are opinions, but personal attacks and name calling is against site rules. We are teetering on the line here, i'm not going to edit anything, but keep it toned down and contribute intelligently. If your best rebuttal is "your opinion is stupid because I said so", or referring to someone's post as "stupid" or "garbage" then just refrain from posting altogether. This is considered "trolling" or intentionally trying to stir people up needlessly. Keep it in line. Thanks.




#2681684 Steve Ott signs 1 year, $800k deal with Detroit

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 01 July 2016 - 03:57 PM

Not gonna lie, i'm pumped. Always loved to hate Ott, he isn't entirely incapable of producing. He punches people. I'm good with this signing, especially at the price.




#2681451 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 01 July 2016 - 01:28 PM

I'm a fan of Matt Martin. It would be great to have a guy like that, even if we have a dismal season, at least he punches people in the face. That's something to cheer about.




#2681434 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 01 July 2016 - 01:11 PM

Merged both of our Offseason threads, not sure why there were two. We can keep it all consolidated here. Carry on.




#2681360 Official 2016 Detroit Red Wings Offseason Thread

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 01 July 2016 - 12:32 PM

Shattenkirk and Versteeg are Eklund rumors. Abort! Abort!




#2679175 Detroit trades Datsyuk to Arizona

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 24 June 2016 - 08:45 PM

Just phenomenal.. i'm pretty excited i'm not gonna lie.




#2677803 Gordie Howe has passed away. 1928-2016.

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 15 June 2016 - 06:24 PM

Temporarily locking this thread until I can clean this mess up caused by our new friend here. I will bring it back up when it's tidy and all the irrelevant off-topic banter is gone.

 

UPDATE - Resume discussion as you were, apologies for those who lost posts and content that was in reply to our new troll. Also apologize for not jumping on this sooner, I was at work, but I got on it as soon as I saw the reports in my inbox when I got home. 

 

Lets keep this on topic, even a bit of Ali discussion is fine due to the sports world losing two tremendous figures so close together, but absolutely not in the manner that was presented in the last page of this thread by the new poster. Thanks guys and gals. Long live the memory of Mr. Hockey.




#2677670 NHL Chooses Las Vegas for 17-18 Expansion

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 14 June 2016 - 03:25 PM

While we are putting teams in some of the hottest places in the US, why not try for Atlanta or Arizona while we're at it and see how hockey does in those kinds of markets. 

 

Oh wait..




#2677361 Gordie Howe has passed away. 1928-2016.

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 10 June 2016 - 11:53 AM

The death of a legend, and a true warrior and icon of the sport. R.I.P. Mr. Howe, you left your mark on us as fans and the sport of hockey overall. You will truly be missed.




#2677069 Possible Leak of Florida Panthers New Logo

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 06 June 2016 - 06:35 PM

Nothing wrong with the original Panthers jersey.  No makeover needed.  

 

Please give Carolina a new jersey, color scheme and logo.  Same with Arizona and a few others.  

I agree with this, I liked the original Panthers jersey so much that I own one. This new one is a downgrade as far as i'm concerned. I liked the Fisherman Islanders jersey too so my opinion is compromised. 




#2675293 Calder finalists

Posted by MabusIncarnate on 06 May 2016 - 10:04 PM

I think I agree with the minority here, I like Gostisbehere because of his vast improvement of play game after game in his rookie season, and I think it's a lot harder to adapt to being an NHL level defensemen successfully over being an NHL level scoring forward, and how quickly he did should speak volumes about why he's a nominee. I know he likely won't get it, but Gostisbehere has my vote.