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In Topic: Confused on the direction of this team going forward

03 August 2014 - 06:41 PM


We have 5 players over the age of 31.....Franzen (34), Zetterberg (33), Cleary (35), Kronwall (33) and Datsyuk (36) and 3 of those 5 are elite talents. Your statement makes it sound like our team is littered with older players who aren’t performing. We have two in Cleary and Franzen.

It seems like the strong point made in this post has been lost in an argument of semantics.  I don't care if you call Kronwall "elite" or "very good" or whatever else.


Ignoring Cleary and (on and off) Franzen, all of our players over 31 are clearly pulling their weight.

In Topic: Holland Wiki page edited

13 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.


I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.

Yes and Dan Cleary can play better hockey than anyone on this board too.  Like Cleary, Ken Holland is a professional (in theory), who is paid a LOT of money to do his job


Pretty much anyone in a professional field is better at their job than someone who isn't part of that field.  But that certainly doesn't mean that an outsider can't objectively see when someone is sucking at their job.


Edit: To add to that, if the new standard for managing the Wings is, "well, he's better than fans on a message board," we're in a s**t-tonne of trouble.

In Topic: Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

10 July 2014 - 11:04 PM

Even with Alfie returning, there is/should be room for Jurco. Z, Pav, Franzen, Nyquist, Weiss, Tatar, Alfie, Sheahan, Abby, Helm and Miller are all locks. Who is better than Jurco for that 12th forward spot? You don't need Glendening or Andersson centering the fourth line if Weiss is back. Besides, why not have a third line of Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco when those three had a ton of success playing together already? There isn't much exciting about this roster going into the season, but that line is a bright spot.

To me, Jurco should be playing for the Red Wings no matter what. I don't believe it makes much sense for Drew Miller or Luke Glendening to be out there at Jurco's expense, let alone Dan Cleary.

I'm sure everyone here agrees.  But Glendening will likely play because Babcock loves him and I wouldn't be surprised if Cleary "earns" his roster spot back.


With Alfie signed (which is likely), only one of those two things has to happen to knock Jurco out of the lineup anyways.

In Topic: Tom Renney could be leaving, too.

10 July 2014 - 10:46 PM

Babcock is probably next. 

Maybe he'll stay if we keep re-signing Cleary.  It could be like the Kopecky/Hossa situation.

In Topic: Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

10 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

Just re-sign Alfredsson now and call it an off-season.


Jurco gets buried in GR.


I have honestly never been more disappointed/unexcited for the Wings than this off-season.