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#2635271 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by Zetts on 05 November 2015 - 12:09 PM


We don't know the exact number yet, so it could be a bad hit I guess, but he's 100% worth over 4 million.  When I see that, I'm not at all surprised.

#2628279 Roster Moves by the Wings

Posted by Zetts on 04 October 2015 - 05:44 PM

I can already anticipate the meltdown if Cleary stays and Larkin goes down. 


Just to prepare people, if that happens, it is NOT because Cleary "took" Larkin's roster spot.  It's because they didn't think Larkin was ready for a top 3 line role and didn't want him playing 10 minutes on the fourth line and/or being the 13/14 forward.  Cleary, on the other hand, is perfectly-suited to that role.  The two of them are not in competition for the same roster spot.

#2616975 2015 Draft

Posted by Zetts on 27 June 2015 - 11:59 AM

So Paterson and Perry don't have a shot at NHL duty but Van Pottelberghe absolutely does... Give me a break. Both of these kids have just as good a shot at being NHLers as this kid. Besides, we're going to need a backup within a few years if Howard is traded. That won't be any of these kids. It will be a free agent signing...

This is the premise of a talent poolSince none of them are sure fire bets for the NHL, you build up a pool of what you think are the best bets (at each position) and hope that one turns into the real deal.  You don't stop drafting at a position because you've got one or two guys that are maybe ok.  And we hardly have an unreasonable number of (or a particularly good set of) goaltending prospects.


Listen, I agree that we need to draft defence.  I'm just saying that we need more than that as well.  And our goaltending talent pool is not strong. 

#2616957 2015 Draft

Posted by Zetts on 27 June 2015 - 11:49 AM

Why is everyone assuming McCollum is gone? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he resigns and stays in Grand Rapids. All the fans are so sure that Howard is on his way out so why wouldn't McCollum be thinking the same thing? With Howard "100% on his way out" maybe Tommy Boy can make his way up as a backup to Mrazek. Also, why are Paterson and Perry not viewed as guys for Grand Rapids? And like I said, we have our number 1 in Detroit. Filling a backup / minor league role has to be the easiest to fill. There are always a dozen options in free agency every year...

Assuming he's either gone or, even if he stays, appears unlikely to be an NHL goaltender.  McCollum and everyone else in the world knows that he's not going to be Detroit's full-time backup. 


You need to build up a talent pool that can have an impact in the future.  The Wings drafted another goalie because they have a limited pool that looks like it will make an impact in the future, once you get past Mrazek.  Or, they just drafted him because he was the best talent available at the time, regardless of position.  Either way, I'm fine with it.

#2616933 2015 Draft

Posted by Zetts on 27 June 2015 - 11:29 AM



last thing we need is a goalie ... we been bitching forever that we need defensemen but we get a 5;9 dman that didnt look good in his short stint at ushl and returned back to finland


and now a goalie when some defensemen to be had are still available

Uh, we definitely do need a goalie.  This isn't drafting for today, it's for several years down the road.  And we lack organizational depth in net for the future.

#2533638 Confused on the direction of this team going forward

Posted by Zetts on 03 August 2014 - 06:41 PM


We have 5 players over the age of 31.....Franzen (34), Zetterberg (33), Cleary (35), Kronwall (33) and Datsyuk (36) and 3 of those 5 are elite talents. Your statement makes it sound like our team is littered with older players who aren’t performing. We have two in Cleary and Franzen.

It seems like the strong point made in this post has been lost in an argument of semantics.  I don't care if you call Kronwall "elite" or "very good" or whatever else.


Ignoring Cleary and (on and off) Franzen, all of our players over 31 are clearly pulling their weight.

#2531929 Holland Wiki page edited

Posted by Zetts on 13 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

Yea, but no one says what they'd do as GM. I bet if the average Red Wing fan became GM, he/she would make horrible trades and sign over priced UFA's. We'd be like the Leafs and our team would be build around guys like Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Clarkson, van Reimsdyk and Bozak for the next 4 years plus. No thanks, I'll take Kenny, who's building the team with the draft, isn't signing any over priced UFA's, and actually knows how the cap works.


I understand signing Quincey and Cleary isn't "sexy", but they're only 1 and 2 year deals. That Niskanen deal is insane! Smith and Dekeyser are going to be better then him. Unless a team has drafted the player, I don't think any UFA should be signed for over 4 years. Do an online search and see how many horrible long term UFA signings there's been since 2005-06. The Wings don't have any bad ones over 3 years. The only potential bad one could be Weiss, but he's got a few years to still make the deal a good one.

Yes and Dan Cleary can play better hockey than anyone on this board too.  Like Cleary, Ken Holland is a professional (in theory), who is paid a LOT of money to do his job


Pretty much anyone in a professional field is better at their job than someone who isn't part of that field.  But that certainly doesn't mean that an outsider can't objectively see when someone is sucking at their job.


Edit: To add to that, if the new standard for managing the Wings is, "well, he's better than fans on a message board," we're in a s**t-tonne of trouble.

#2531423 Tom Renney could be leaving, too.

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2014 - 10:46 PM

Babcock is probably next. 

Maybe he'll stay if we keep re-signing Cleary.  It could be like the Kopecky/Hossa situation.

#2531341 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2014 - 07:50 PM

Just re-sign Alfredsson now and call it an off-season.


Jurco gets buried in GR.


I have honestly never been more disappointed/unexcited for the Wings than this off-season. 

#2531327 Wings re-sign Cleary $1.5 mill + $1mill in game bonuses

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2014 - 07:30 PM

Helene St. James @HeleneStJames 1m

#RedWings GM Ken Holland: "My program has been one of loyalty and there's good and bad that goes with that. Way more good, in my opinion."



so is holland himself admitting that the cleary signing is a bad one?

Oh FFS Kenny, if it's that important, stick him in some BS front office job.  We're all greatful for what he did in the past, but MOVE ON.

#2530675 Red Wings Target Mike Green

Posted by Zetts on 08 July 2014 - 05:40 PM

How about Helm and Kindl straight up?  Sign Morris, have two RH d-men, waive Lashoff, #kfq is your 7th guy...



Kronwall - Green

Smith - Dekeyser

Ericsson - Morris


I know he's had injury issues, but you don't trade a player like Helm unless you're getting a really, really good return. 

#2530125 Dont Jump Yet...

Posted by Zetts on 05 July 2014 - 03:40 PM

The point is we lost. I don't care if it's 7 games against Chi or 5 against Bos, a loss is a loss. Saying it was close or saying we got crushed are both stupid. Many thigs could have gone differently.

It does matter when you're evaluating the quality of your team in preparation for the next season though.  Barely losing an extremely hard fought series vs clearly never having a chance in a series suggest two very different things and likely different approaches for what you address in the off-season.

#2528550 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Zetts on 01 July 2014 - 03:54 PM


Retweeted by Bob McKenzie

4 teams have not made a signing today: Boston, Columbus, Detroit and Nashville. #TSN #FAF





Well that's not true.  We signed Kevin Porter...



#2522955 Dan Boyle's rights traded to the Islanders…..

Posted by Zetts on 05 June 2014 - 08:49 PM

Except that he's going to get $5 or $6 million.  You all comfortable paying that type of money for Dan Boyle?

If it's on a one year deal, yes.  We'll certainly have the cap space, so at least from a fan's perspective, it's largely irrelevant.  We're not the ones paying him.

#2470145 Helm has sore groin...

Posted by Zetts on 01 January 2014 - 10:14 PM

It'll be fine.  Everybody was saying the same thing about Kronwall early in his career when he kept getting injured.  Now it's not an issue.


It's not as though he keeps having a recurring injury of the same type, like re-injuring his back multiple times or sustaining a lot of concussions.  He's just been going through some bad luck.