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#2436133 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by T.Low on 12 September 2013 - 11:28 AM

I wish I could fly to Traverse City and shake Dan Cleary's hand.

 

 In this day and age of pro athletes chasing the Big $ at all costs, the guy walked away from millions of dollars, put his ego aside, crawled back to the negotiation table to eat some major crow, all so he could stay with friends,  teammates, and an organisation and town that he loves.

 

Cleary went toe to toe with one of Detroit's all time biggest nemesis, Chris Pronger, he went after Dion Phaneuf, knocking him silly, then getting an assist on the goal. He's scored numerous playoff game winning goals.  Even when he's basically duck taped together, he's still finishing checks and jumping into scrums. He is a winner, he is the epitome of a team heart and soul guy, he has hands, grit, and smarts.  He is a major contributor at all costs.

 

$1.75m!  Talk about a Hometown Discount!  

 

Totally glad he's back. And frankly, I can't see him really giving a s*** what number is on his jersey, as long as the logo is the Winged Wheel.




#2436128 Cleary re-signs with Detroit, 1 year, $1.75m deal

Posted by kipwinger on 12 September 2013 - 11:16 AM

I'm sorry, I guess I don't get the anger.  We got a player of Cleary's caliber for less than we're paying Tootoo?  Even if he plays all season on the fourth line we're better off with this happening.  I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd MUCH rather have Cleary in the lineup than Tootoo or Eaves...and now he's the same price.

 

Good signing. 

 

Ideally, here's my lines.

 

Z-Dats-Abby

Alfie-Weiss-Franzen

Tatar-Andersson-Nyquist

Cleary-Helm-Miller

Sammy/Bert

 

Sadly, goodbye Eaves, Tootoo, and Emmerton (unless Helm is still hurt). 




#2430580 Brendan Smith signs 2-year, $2.525m contract with Red Wings

Posted by GoWings1905 on 17 July 2013 - 09:25 PM

I really don't see Cleary signing elsewhere. How do you explain to your brand new team mates and coaches and media circus that it's ok that your knees are shot and you fall down every shift, because you're a respected leader? Unless we're talking about, like, Florida.

 

Beyond the physical limitations, it's not like Cleary is incapable of providing value to a team at this stage. The Red Wings don't lack for quality leaders and Cleary was widely respected by his teammates here, so that impact could easily translate to another organization. 

 

I'm not really even advocating for the Red Wings to keep Cleary. I just think the LGW consensus (not you, specifically) has turned Cleary into a villain when he still provides qualities that are necessary to win hockey games. 




#2425047 Wings buy out Colaiacovo, will keep Bertuzzi

Posted by TigerDan on 02 July 2013 - 07:51 PM

I think using a buyout on Carlo is a waste.  IMHO, he was one of our top 4 defensemen in the playoffs, and is paid less than at least one guy who he outplayed (Quincy).  I think he could and would crack our lineup even with DeKeyser back.  Now, we are relying on Smith to step it up and Quincy to play to his potential every night vs. having a guy that came in and played rock solid in our back pocket.  And we're doing this why? To keep Samuelsson??  WTF???

 

I don't have too much of a problem with the Cleary deal, though I wish it was more like 2 years at 2M or 2.5M.  I know a lot of people want a star player in his place, but I'd argue that he brings some of the things to the table that we need: he'll go to the net, he plays tougher than his size and he gives 100% every time out on the ice.  He's like Rudy - I wish I could put his heart into Franzen's body.

 

I don't have too much of a problem with keeping Bert too.  If he's hurt, we can IR him and maybe get someone else (IR doesn't count against cap?). While if he's truly healthy, he can bring some size, grit, toughness and scoring.




#2416336 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by The Axe on 30 May 2013 - 07:14 PM

If Holland is talking about having Bert and Sammy back (as mentioned in other places here) I highly doubt Franzen will be bought out. I have a weird feeling that a combination of loyalty, saving face, and not having a ready replacement will prevent this.  I don't know what we will do about the cap hit if he retires.  I feel that Z will play his entire contract, but not Franzen ...


THIS. Using buyouts is a way for a NEW GM to clean up old messes (gomez). No incumbant GM is going to admit a bad signing, much less 2, by dumping players he signed. "Yah boss, I burned 11 mil of yours for no reason. Turns out we cant even use this slow, old guy."


#2416175 Darren Helm - Career in Question?

Posted by rick zombo on 30 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

Babcock also had this to say about Filpulla's injury:

 

"You guys watched the video, you decide," Babcock said. "He's hurt. He'll be ready for camp."

 

So I guess Filpulla's going to re-sign?

 

OR, Babs was just talking, much like the Helm quote.

 

Basically, I woudn't put too much stalk in how the coach phrased his responses. Know what I mean?




#2395107 WCQF Game 2 GDT - Red Wings 5 @ Ducks 4 OT (Series tied, 1-1)

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 03 May 2013 - 01:01 AM

Kronwall has been awful. He just can't seem to handle the puck at all. I've never seen a player "regress" as much as he has this past year. Can't settles the puck....horrible passes...can keep the puck in while on the PP...and he keeps getting beat by guys with speed.

 

I don't think he's regressed necessarily, he's just the #1 guy now so he's getting tougher matchups and being asked to do more.




#2388449 Bertuzzi not returning Wednesday vs Kings

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 23 April 2013 - 06:29 PM

I don't know.  Bert hasn't played at all.  No way he's up to a game speed level anywhere close to where the active players are. 

 

I'm not strictly against it but I'd definitely be concerned. 




#2387559 4/21 GDT

Posted by jeff48109 on 21 April 2013 - 09:40 PM

Hitting shinpads would be a step up.  Remember Filppula's shot on the 3 on 2 yesterday?

 

i thought he was dumping that into a corner?




#2387070 4/20 GDT: Red Wings 1 @ Canucks 2 (SO)

Posted by GoWings1905 on 20 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

Cory Emmerton has developed into a very solid role player. One of the few players that has exceeded expectations this season.


#2386930 Tatar frustrated; says he will only play in NHL when contract done

Posted by cupforwings on 20 April 2013 - 07:04 PM

But we need someone like Tatar who actually shoots not a playmaker like Nyquist. But I do believe Nyquist has the higher ceiling.

 

Nyquist has the same amount of goals in 2 less games in the AHL this year.  I'm not convinced Tatar is this great shooter that people think he is.  IMO, just from watching the games this season, Nyquist is the better player.  He has really started controlling the game when he is out on the ice the last few weeks.




#2386544 The Race for Eight: Blue Jackets, Stars, Wings

Posted by GoWings1905 on 18 April 2013 - 05:10 PM

I still feel like people don't realize that we actually played well last night. They only had 17 shots, remember. We put on 34. We Were buzzing. Not much you can do about a goalie standing on his head.


The Wings did play pretty well. The only issue is I have seen that high shot total before with nothing to show for goals. Namely the series against Nashville where they peppered Rinne.

The Red Wings still play on the perimeter too much and many of their shots are rather harmless. They can't or in some players cases (Franzen and Filppula stand out) won't go to the tough areas of the ice to score goals.

This team desperately needs some size and goal-scoring ability on the wing.


#2386513 EDGE

Posted by kipwinger on 18 April 2013 - 03:31 PM

Ideally I'd like guys that are edgy, but at the same time know how to contribute.  I don't think bringing in any more Tootoo type guys is going to do anything.  But look at Columbus, they're a team full of scrappy, edgy guys, who still find a way to produce at the NHL level.  Not that I necessarily think that Columbus is some sort of organizational model or anything, but simple that a couple Foligno, Dubinsky, Umberger style players would be helpful. 

 

Note to all the argumentative types out there: I am not saying I want to be Columbus nor am I saying that the three guys I mentioned are available, or should be on our radar.  I'm just saying a couple guys with their skill set would probably help us out. 




#2385248 Tambelinni fired, MacTavish new Oiler GM...Scott Howson new Sr VP

Posted by Buppy on 15 April 2013 - 11:55 PM

Howson was responsible for bringing in Bobrovsky during the offseason, before he was fired.  Actually he was responsible for every major move the team has made since 2007 (except the Gaborik trade) including bringing in Dubinsky, Anisimov, Aucoin, Wisneiwski, Johnson, Prospal, Umberger, Tyutin, Foligno, Nikitin, Letestu, and Erixon. 

 

So pretty much their entire team was acquired by him in one form or fashion, and they're playing well right now, so credit where it's due. ..

Odd that he deserves "credit" for taking over a bad team, and in 5 years they managed to do as well as "mediocre" for one year (thanks mostly to a great rookie season from a goalie he didn't draft) before turning back into a pumpkin for a few more years, and now in the 6th year again reaching mediocre (thanks mostly to a goalie performing better than probably should have been expected).

 

Meanwhile, you wish you had a time machine so you could kill Kenny's mother before his birth because he doesn't know how to stop players from aging...




#2380224 Going forward with what we have

Posted by evilzyme on 04 April 2013 - 01:35 PM

Well, I guess that's it, then.  The rebuild is upon us.

 

I can't say I'm happy with it, but it is what it is.

 

I'm extremely frustrated with Holland's choice to stand pat, but I can also begin to understand.  He wants to build this team again.  We entered the twilight of this franchise's success in 2009 and now it's finally over.

 

We're committed to youth.  Our farm system is extremely boom-or-bust, but it's all we have.  Or are we?  We still employ the likes of Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.  Three contracts that could be used on young talent.  But no.

 

So, what do we do going forward?  I'll start with right this second and go into the beginning of next season.  I'll touch slightly on the draft and free agency.  I don't know what the market will look like come "Opening Day" and I'm not in-tune enough with the world of hockey prospects to really make a sensible draft list.

 

I'm doing this operating under the assumption that we make the playoffs.  Missing the playoffs wouldn't change much as far as core needs and tasks, anyways.

 

Well, here we go.

 

- Begin contract talks with Filpulla.  DO NOT go in with a "sign-or-let-walk" attitude.  If his demands are unreasonable (I would consider pretty much what he's making now to be reasonable, given his production), be prepared to move his rights at the Draft.

 

- Finish Howard's extension.  While he is prone to inconsistency and lets in soft goals on occasion, he's the best we have.  He's probably worth around 4-5 million a season.  He's playing well right now and seems to have put last year's injury behind him. Where the hell is the inconsistencies? You must be meaning over-worked. Jimmy is the centerpiece of consistency, and has been one of the few wings to be considered consistent this season. I have to disagree with your statement, "He's playing well" he's playing on his head right now. 

 

- Go into the playoffs and do what you're going to do.  Allow our current rookies to show what they can do in the playoffs. Sure, use all of our rookies and ice the Griffins, i'm sure they'll work their way to the cup instead of veteran's who have done the dance before. You need a perfect influx of youth and veteran leadership. Talented youth won't get you far, look at Edmonton and their previous years. They add #1 overall's to their roster 3 years in a row and still struggle. Luckily, they're finally pulling something together before they drafted for the 4th year.

 

- When all is said and done, go to work.  It's time to trim the fat.  Use cap-compliance buyouts on Samuelsson and Bertuzzi.  Try and move Colaiacovo at the Draft, if possible. Bertuzzi should not get bought out unless his injury calls for him to retire. Why do you think Pavel likes Abby on his line? He can replace Bert and play that role. Bert and Pasha produce together, and work together very nicely. Sammy shouldn't have been brought in but what can we do.

 

- This is the big one: dangle Franzen at the Draft.  By no means am I saying to absolutely move him for whatever someone shoves under your nose.  I'm saying to dangle him.  See what you can get.  If you find an offer that you can't refuse, take it.  He's aging, inconsistent, soft, and doesn't use his size.  He's not a player that will perform well in the East. As much as we hate Franzen, you will not replace his point production for his cap hit. I just can't agree with this.

 

- As far as draft strategy, size and scoring need to be the focus.  The East is a totally different monster from the West.  We're going to get eaten alive in the first couple of seasons.  Find a sniping power-forward who plays with an edge and a big, strong, right-handed defenseman early on.  Fill out the draft with some good two-way guys.  We need all the effort at both ends of the rink we can get. We are getting bigger, and we have bigger guys in the pipeline. The East is not as big as everyone thinks. The Wings have been playing the Eastern conference since day one, we just play the Western conference a lot more. Go look at our records against the "big bad teams" we will be matching against next season, you'll be surprised to know we're well over .500 on every single team. Smaller players do exist in the East, it's not a myth, and they produce just fine.

 

- After the Draft and everything settles down until the re-sign period, sit down and have a REAL heart-to-heart with Datsyuk.  I don't care what BS the media spews about him wanting to leave after this contract.  I want to hear it from his mouth.  If he does indeed intend to leave, be prepared to make him available at the deadline and move him.  Losing Datsyuk for nothing is absolutely unacceptable. Holland already said that he hasn't had talks with Pasha, but plans on having them with him and his agent before Pavel leaves for Russia during the off-season. Oh by the way, you don't move Pasha, you just don't.

 

- Seriously re-evaluate your position on Brendan Smith.  Let's be honest with ourselves.  He hasn't been very good since his first few games after being called up.  He's been invisible far too often.  He makes a ton of mistakes and, quite frankly, isn't contributing offensively.  This should affect your demands from him contractually when it's time to re-sign him.  If he doesn't like it...tough. Wowzer, so we're going to give Kindl all the time in the world to get his chances, but in the first full season of Brendan Smith you want to write him off? Okay. 

 

- Now comes the re-sign period.  Brunner needs to be the top priority.  He shows a desire to go to the dirty scoring areas, and that translates to the East.  While he is undersized, totally un-physical and hard to watch defensively, he scores goals.  We can't afford to let that go.  Get him for a reasonable raise (3 million should be fine, at the very most).  Next, Kindl and Smith need new contracts.  Neither realistically command a significant raise.  2.5-3 million each should be just fine.  If not, I wouldn't go beyond 4 for either.

 

-Free-agency comes next.  Waive bye-bye to Cleary and White.  Completely unnecessary plugs who aren't much use anymore.  Make Gustavsson available, and take whatever you can get for him.  In what little we ask of him to do, he has been downright awful.  Mrazek needs the experience.  He deserves a chance to prove he can hold down the backup role.  See if Miller can be re-signed for about what he's making now.  If not, it's not a catastrophe to let him walk. Mrazek is easily 2-3 years before even backing up Jimmy Howard at this level of play. He simply isn't ready to be considered a back-up right now. Let Monster continue out his contract. 

 

- Same strategy should apply to free agency as was applied to the draft.  We won't have a whole lot of money to spend, so we're probably not going to be very active.  We're screwed cap-wise with so many free agents.  I'm going to do the rest of this assuming we aren't active.

 

- As we enter training camp, we now have 7 defenseman (Kronwall, Lashoff, Quincey, Smith, DeKeyser, Kindl and Ericsson), so there aren't many open spots.  None of our defense prospects are close to being ready.  I can see Lashoff being the 7th defenseman during the season. Lashoff being the 7th next season? Babcock is already giving him big minutes for a rookie and putting him out there in key chances. He has absolute trust in him, and treasures his play. I really can't see him sitting 7th, especially if he isn't THIS season.

 

- Forward is a little trickier.  Put Abdelkader in the bottom-6 where he belongs and keep him there.  He is not, and never will be, a goal-scorer.  There are three openings now that Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson are gone.  Tatar should be brought up full-time.  No one else is really NHL-ready.  Try to find two young forwards with size and decent offensive skill on the market.  I can see us going with a lineup looking like this: Abdelkader WOULD be in the bottom 6 if Bert wasn't hurt. He simply is one of the few that can mimic the play of Bert and provide Pasha the same Bert does. Tatar has shown us a lot, but he certainly needs to be better defensively. I would bring him up this year but it isn't my choice. You want to call no-one else NHL ready but you state right after this that you want Jarnkrok to be a call-up next season? He needs atleast a full season with the Griffs or an OUTSTANDING summer to break the lineup next year. Sproul called up? He just is getting called up to the Griffins. Sproul is not going to be ready next season. Even if Pulk joins the Griffs next year, I won't see him being ready until the following year. 

 

Filpulla - Datsyuk - Franzen

Tatar - Zetterberg - Brunner

Nyquist - Andersson - Abdelkader

Miller/Eaves - Emmerton - Tootoo

 

Kronwall - Ericsson

Smith - DeKeyser

Kindl - Quincey

Lashoff

 

Howard

Mrazek

 

- Be prepared to call-up Jarnkrok, Pulkinnen and Sproul during the season if injuries hit.  They aren"t ready for full-time duty, but could hold down a spot for us.

 

And that's about it right through the start of the season.  Essentially, it's about cleaning up the mess from last offseason and getting serious about installing a youth movement to me.

 

I do NOT want to go the way of Calgary, Buffalo, and Dallas.  Middling in the middle while you try to rebuild on the fly DOES NOT WORK.  We can get back on the road to winning consistently if we cut the over-loyal BS and start managing in the 21st century. If you had faith in your GM, and saw the past history, he would rather keep this team in mediocre playoff contention than allow us to just rebuild for the next 10 years. Come... on. 

 

I tried hitting on everything, but this whole post just makes me want to implode.



Who knows if those offers were even competitive?  If your roster is the same as when you entered the deadline, you stood pat.  He could've upped the ante, but he didn't.  He decided to stick with what he had.  It's neither here nor there.  The deadline is over and there's no sense bitching about it anymore.

 

Literally nowhere in this did I once say he stood pat during the summer.

 

In addition to all this, this has nothing to do what the original post.

 

If they weren't competitive they wouldn't have continued talks. Holland just wouldn't extend further when they took the price too high. The Rangers wanted Brunner apart of a package for Gaborik. Pominville would've costed us Mrazek, Jarnkrok, a 1st, and 2nd; LGW would've IMPLODED if that had gone down. Iggy didn't want to come to us. What else did you want him to get? Another depth player? I'm sorry but Holland is 100% right when he says, my injuried players are better than any depth player that was on the market. WHY trade away a prospect, pick, ANYTHING when you already have a player of that skill within your system, they're just injured? 

 

We need to seriously take a step back and see the smartness in not pulling the trigger on these dumb trades. So what if Holland didn't do s*** this trade deadline, he was smart for not doing so. That rebuild you don't want us to experience... we would've been experiencing if we wanted to start trading away picks and prospects at this point. At this point and time, Wings fans just want a new toy, some change, something. You know it's bad when you consider fighting for a playoff spot for the first time within 22 years, "a horrible thing." MY GOD HOW COULD HOLLAND ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? FRONT OFFICE. UNACCEPTABLE CONTINUED SUCCESS. 



Oh and final note: we have enough of these "I hate my life and the Red Wings life" threads. Stop making separate threads to simply ***** about something. This easily could've been included within another "If****** hate Holland and this team" threads.



/rant