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#2429807 Smith files for arbitration

Posted by Zetts on 12 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

Would you guys be happy if the Wings went big on Smith right now?

8 years, 20 million?

Something between 2-2.5 mil per for as long a term as possible?

I'd be happy.

From what I've seen, I'm one of the bigger Smith supporters here.


And at that, if Smith was signed to that deal I would probably throw my laptop out the fourth-storey window currently in front of me.

#2429365 Smith files for arbitration

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2013 - 08:52 PM


Perhaps because the Wings don't usually have to go to arbitration with their players.


Aside from Kyle Quincey last season, the previous Red Wing to take them to arbitration was Ray Sheppard in 1995. Sheppard was then dealt to San Jose in the Larionov deal, if memory serves correctly.

Maybe he just wants to expedite the process of getting a contract completed.  There's nothing to indicate he's asking for a ridiculous amount.  I really don't see the "ego" angle to this.

#2429347 Smith files for arbitration

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2013 - 08:11 PM

Smith has an ego enough to do this after his play last season? LOL THESE KIDS ARE HILARIOUS

Could you explain why you believe that filing for arbitration means that he has a big ego?  We don't know anything about the negotiations between Holland and Smith's agent to this point.

#2429314 Smith files for arbitration

Posted by Zetts on 10 July 2013 - 06:19 PM


Because he played terrible during that 1/2 season.  You could say the same thing about Dekeyser, only he played even fewer games.  You know what the difference is?  One of them didn't make several boneheaded mistakes each game, while failing to live up to the one thing that got them to the NHL in the first place.  Brendan Smith was awful, defensively (which I don't care about as much because it was always a given that he'd need to improve there) AND offensively (which is a worse sin since he was supposedly an offensive defenseman).


I'm sure he'll improve.  But you can't whitewash the truth.  Yes he was a rookie, so is every player at one time or another.  But not every rookie sucks doorknobs. 

Dekeyser played unreasonably well for someone jumping into the NHL like that.  Most defensemen when they enter the league play closer to how Smith did than Dekeyser.


I'll fully admit I was hoping for more from Smith.  I'm still confident he'll become a much stronger player over time though.  As I've mentioned before, Jiri Fischer was despised on these boards for the longest time.  You can't give up on players right away.  (And by "you", I don't literally mean you, Kip, I mean the large group of people here that bash Smith.)  There's frequently a huge lack of patience here.

#2427641 Wings interested in Morrow

Posted by Zetts on 05 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

Someone needs to turn the "OFF" switch on Ken Holland. He is short circuiting and trying to sign every player left.

Hey, maybe he just read LGW and got pissed at how much crap he was getting for not signing people.


I'd like to see someone make a joke about Kenny golfing now...

#2427616 Darren Helm - Career in Question?

Posted by Zetts on 05 July 2013 - 05:48 PM

From Helene St. James' twitter:


Apologies: Ken Holland said Darren Helm is better, and Red Wings expect (not except) him at development camp next week.

#2426757 Dreger: Filppula looking for $5.5m/season over at least 7 years

Posted by Zetts on 05 July 2013 - 12:17 PM

Past two years:
Filppula: 122g, 32g, 51a
Weiss: 97g, 21g, 40a
Grabovski: 122g, 32g, 35a

How are weiss or Grabovski any better than Filppula?

At this point, anyone on the FA list is a downgrade from Flip. If we sign Weiss for anything around $4.5m, it would be insane.

That's because you're taking Filppula's ONE good season in there.  That's the whole point, nobody believes that that's the player he really is.  He finally breaks through and then regresses.


Here's some more telling stats of the top 5 seasons for each player (from best to worst):

Filppula: 66 pts, 40 pts, 39 pts, 36 pts, 35 pts

Weiss: 61 pts, 60 pts, 57 pts, 49 pts, 48 pts.


And Weiss played on a crap team for most of those years.


There is no way Filppula is better.

#2425946 Players of Interest

Posted by Zetts on 04 July 2013 - 03:00 PM

After reading this thread it seems Holland is doing a lot of reaching out to players but he is not sure how to grab them.

You can't forcibly "grab" a player.  Players make choices.


What I take from this thread is that Holland is exploring many options in the FA market, which is exactly what a good GM should do.

#2425115 Wings buy out Colaiacovo, will keep Bertuzzi

Posted by Zetts on 02 July 2013 - 09:20 PM

I am so confused by our roster right now.  Colaiacovo played well (when he wasn't injured, obviously) and gets bought out, leaving us with 7 defensemen.


We don't buy out any forwards, re-sign Miller and plan on re-signing Cleary and Brunner.  Including Andersson, Nyquist and Tatar that gives us 16 forwards and we STILL can't properly fill the top 2 lines. 



#2424332 Hawks re-sign Bickell (4 years 16 mill)

Posted by Zetts on 01 July 2013 - 02:10 AM

That's a lot of money for somebody that's never broken 40 points and probably never will.

#2416321 Wow... Danny Cleary

Posted by Zetts on 30 May 2013 - 06:51 PM

Over the next few days we will find out about all the injuries. But guess what? EVERYONE HAS GUYS PLAYING HURT! It is the freaking playoffs. very few if any teams are going to go through the playoffs without having half their team banged up. Happens every year.


As for Cleary, no one has ever doubted his heart or his guts. he has tons of both. But he is also half the player he used to be. It happens. he is 33/34 now and a UFA. No I do not want him back. We have young guys in the minors that need to play. yes they could flop. But untill they play every day, we don't know. What can Cleary give us that Sheahan can't? Nothing. Yes Sheahan is young and inexperienced, but how does he get experience? oh ya-he plays!

You think that Sheahan could come in, play an offensive role, and be second on the team in playoff scoring?


If Cleary's gone, we're losing a lot more than you seem to think.

#2416196 Franzen Buyout?

Posted by Zetts on 30 May 2013 - 01:53 PM

There is no way we can afford (talent-wise) to buy him out.  I mean, we clearly need more scoring.  If we bought him out, we'd struggle to find pieces that could allow us just to break even with this year offensively.  And don't pretend like Tatar would come close.


Trading him, as others have mentioned, might be feasible if we get back decent offense in return.  I'd still be against it, but it's an option.  But buying him out?  It's embarrassing that there are so many people that actually voted for that.


Many people around here will never acknowledge this, but I'll just throw it out there:

Losing Jiri Hudler hurt.  Obviously he didn't have a lot of the intangibles (and wanted too much money).  But we lost a 50 point scorer.  It does hurt, regardless of his other shortcomings.  Notice how we needed more scoring this year?

And now some people want to lose a 30 goal scorer as well by buying him out?  I get being pissed off with some things, but sometimes you have to acknowledge that you can't get a perfect player and that 30 goal players are valuable.

#2396793 Abdelkader suspended 2 games for hit on Lydman

Posted by Zetts on 05 May 2013 - 01:08 PM


The offending foot is obstructed and you know it. I showed the RIGHT foot leaving the ice has he was jumping off his LEFT foot into Lydman.  PS thats one foot, not 2 feet that you are pointing two. Also, thats about 2-3 frames before the hit was initiated, go forward to when the hit starts and Abs is jumping.

Huh?  It's not jumping if one foot is on the ice.


By the way, Lydman is not currently at the Ducks' practice.

#2395089 Danny DeKeyser suffers broken thumb, out for playoffs

Posted by Zetts on 03 May 2013 - 12:47 AM

Obviously a huge blow to us.  I personally think that Colaiacovo is underrated around here though.  He has actually played pretty well when he has been in the lineup.  The complaint with him has largely just been his injury issues.

#2393432 WCQF Game 1 GDT : Red Wings 1, at Ducks 3. (Anaheim leads, 1-0)

Posted by Zetts on 02 May 2013 - 12:09 AM

I occasionally criticize people for phrasing speculation as fact. I phrased speculation as speculation. It's funny how you can't read properly.

I disagree.  I'll show you why.


The presence of the word "possible" in one's verbiage is a slam-dunk indicator that that person is speculating, so don't give yourself any medals for identifying my speculation as speculation.

There were two parts to your post:



The simple fact is that he's completely out of game shape.

Note the word "fact".



More, it's entirely possible---perhaps even likely---that he's being kept out of the lineup as a safety precaution leading up to a buyout.


Now, I'll admit, you use the word "possible".  However, you claim that:

If I were to say outright that it was likely, then I agree that strong evidence would be in order.


So would the following quote from you, just two or three pages back qualify as saying that it's likely? 


I'm almost certain that Samuelsson is being kept healthy for a buyout. I doubt you'll see him.


I believe that "almost certain" is actually even stronger than "likely".  That's why I asked for factual evidence.  Hopefully that clears up what I was trying to say.  And demonstrates how you're doing exactly what you tend to blast people around here for doing.