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#1917379 Red Wings GM Ken Holland hasn't given up on wandering Jiri Hudler

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 16 March 2010 - 06:19 PM

I just hope the 57 points in a KHL transfers over well in the NHL. The opinion on the KHL being a weak league and Hudler doing so well there should be taken into consideration.


He had exactly 57pts last year in the NHL so I'd expect him to score more than that next year...

What I'm getting at is more ice time doesn't always = high end performance...Sometimes less is better.



More ice time for some forwards may also exemplify their faults; with Hudler it's his lack of speed, so-so defensive awareness, and small stature/not overly physical.


Fair enough, but man has our 2nd PP missed him. :(


#1917376 What's up with Cleary?

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 16 March 2010 - 06:17 PM

uh well...he's not very good that's whats up. He is in NO WAY a second line/second PP unit forward. His play is literally all determined by how hard he works, he doesn't possess the skills to just "turn it on". He's looked like hes lost a step from the last couple years. Whether he's hurt, or he's not showing up prepared is unknown.

oh and making people call him "danny" isnt winning me over either. what are you 8 years old?


:rolleyes:

I honestly can't tell if you unknowingly talk out of your ass or if you're just trolling us...

A. Cleary was the 4th most productive forward in the 09 playoffs: 23gp 9g 6a 15pts. That translates to a 32g 21a 53pt season over 82 games. Franzen and Zetterberg had 11 and 12 goals, respectively, that playoff run. By comparison Hossa had 6g 9a in that playoff run. So Cleary out produced Hossa and you're full of s***. By the way, in the cup year Cleary had 2g 1a for 3 frigging points. I guess losing a step must make you a superior player in the playoffs...

B. That playoff run where Cleary was highly productive was less than a year ago. Over the last three years he's produced 40/42/40 pts. Lost a step over the last few years must mean lost a step since October 2009.

C. You're right that his production is directly related to his effort level. So kudos on being right on something. :thumbup:

I think he's just going through a slump. Somewhat understandable since his linemates haven't been lighting the lamp either. Besides, like a lot of gritty players, I've always thought his game seems to be better suited for the playoffs anyways.

On a side note, nobody's been talking about Kronwall. Aside from a few open-ice hits, he's been quietly...well, quiet, with only 3 points in 14 games (none on the PP) after returning from injury. Though he's gotten better the past few games (like the crossbar last night), he hasn't generated as much offense as we're normally used to seeing. I think it's kind of gone under the radar because Lidstrom and Rafalski have been producing, especially on the first PP unit. If Kronwall gets going, it should help the cause of the forwards out there with him, like Cleary at times on the 2nd PP or ES.

If only everyone could play to their potential. But that's hockey I guess; different players carry the team at different points in time.


To be honest I haven't been terribly impressed with Kronwall's play since he returned from his knee injury but then again I wasn't expecting him to come back and be effective right away. I am a bit surprised he's taken so long to get back up to speed. I'm betting that all it will take is a goal to get him revved back up again.


#1917370 Hawks talk about possible 1-8 match

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 16 March 2010 - 05:53 PM

They have Stanley Cup Champion Tomas Kopecky.

I saw it on their website at the beginning of the season, in big letters: The Chicago Blackhawks welcome Marion Hossa and Stanley Cup Champion Tomas Kopecky.

He hasn't had his annual season-ending injury yet. That's how he wins cups. We must hope he stays healthy or we are screwed.

/goofiness


lol The same Kopecky who's only got his name on the cup because he played the requisite number of regular season games. :lol:

I don't sense fear from them at all.I think they respect the Wings,they may hate us a tad but also respect us at the same time.I have the utmost respect for these 2 fine young gentlemen.They're great hockey players on a good team.If they were on our team we'd love em.I think they're going to be stars in this league for years to come.Good for them.


If the Wings had the change to take Toews AND Kane or just Keith I'd still take Keith. That's how much better Keith is than those two.


#1917244 Red Wings GM Ken Holland hasn't given up on wandering Jiri Hudler

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 16 March 2010 - 02:09 PM

From what I understood, Huds knew he was going to win more in arbitration than the Wings could afford. He didn't want to play for another team in the NHL so he went to the KHL so that the Wings would still have his rights and he could return after this season when everyone knew we would have more cap room. So really, he wanted to play so badly for the Wings that he went to the KHL so that he wouldn't have to go to another NHL team. This could be wrong, but this is what I understood the situation to be. Also, he may decide now he wants to stay over there because the hookers, I mean money is so good.


You're right.

Ericsson was given more ice time with the thought that he'll play better, and be more of an asset to the Red Wings...Unfortunately it didn't turn out that way; Hudler may very well be the same.


I have no idea how you think these parallels can be drawn between a rookie d-man who's struggled in his first season and a 4th year forward who's gotten better each year and just put a 57 pt season together.

Ericsson had games where he was very good, games where he was good and games where he was horrible. That's what you expect from a rookie defenseman. Luckily Holland is smart enough to give Big Rig more time to put his NHL game together.


#1917237 Hawks talk about possible 1-8 match

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 16 March 2010 - 02:02 PM

http://espn.go.com/v...clip?id=4999454
Some of you may have seen this video already, but I found it pretty entertaining... especially the part where they talk about the possibility of playing the Wings in the first round. Do I sense some fear from Kane and Toews? :P


They should fear us. The Wings have a team full of Cup winners. The Hawks have yet to prove themselves giant slayers.


#1917019 What's up with Cleary?

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 16 March 2010 - 12:58 AM

I know this guy isn't exactly known for scoring, but recently he seems pretty non-existent out there. In his past 10 games he has 2 points. Cleary always struck me as one of our premier grinders; someone who works hard in the corners and in the dirty areas in front of the net but lately I haven't seen too much of that from him. Any ideas?


I wouldn't say he isn't known for scoring... he's usually good for 20 goals and 20 helpers a year. That's respectable. He's not a star but he does everything pretty well.

You're right, though, he's been terrible since the Olympic break and wasn't exactly hot before then. Cleary has a habit of scoring in bunches anyway, so once that first goal goes in we're golden. Same for Bertuzzi.

If those two can get going again the Wings will be really rolling going into the playoffs.

2 points in 10 games doesn't seem too out of the ordinary for someone that usually has 30-40 points a season


2pts in 10 games = 0.2 ppg

0.2pt/g * 82g = 16.4pts

[(40pt - 16.4pt)/(40pt)]*100% = 59%

So there you go. That's a 59% difference between the current pace he's on and what he's expected to produce.


#1916999 Hudler and Dynamo Moscow out in first round of playoffs

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 16 March 2010 - 12:10 AM

The problem with what Hudler did, was he handcuffed Ken Holland by NOT accepting the $3.whatever Million and opted for arbitration all but causing Hossa to go to the Hawks. As rumor had it, Hossa would've re-signed here for the rest of his career for a little more than $4MM per season cap hit. The fact that Holland was forced by Hudler to wait and wait pretty much was the only reason Hossa is not a Red Wing right now. And something tells me that if he was a Red Wing right now, they wouldn't be battling for the 8th playoff spot... Thanks Hudler, I am glad you were eliminated and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, don't ever come back!


I have a hard time believing that. Think about it-- Holland didn't have to be cap compliant at that point in the summer. He would've gladly signed Hossa to such a ridiculous contract and simply traded Hudler's rights after arbitration.

The real issue is that we lost Sammy because of the Hudler situation. If Holland knew Hudler would be gone prior to the start of free agency there's no question he would've re-signed Sammy.

Because these are all right up there with Filppula being a second line center who can put up 60-65 points in a season.


:lol: I know, right?


#1916379 Hudler and Dynamo Moscow out in first round of playoffs

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 15 March 2010 - 05:12 PM

I hope the little bastard comes back long enough for us to trade him!


Durrrr... because if there's one thing we don't need on this Wings team it's a guy who can put 60pts up on the 3rd line? :lol:


#1916012 Franzen

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 14 March 2010 - 11:17 PM

35-40 is quite reasonable given what we've seen him do in the past few years including postseason. I could see him being able to get to 50 with a "career year" as people like to call it. It would help to have him with Datsyuk to get those numbers, and if Datsyuk was playing well too.


Good news for you-- Datsyuk's been fantastic since the break.


#1916001 Franzen

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 14 March 2010 - 11:04 PM

I think it would be more reasonable to wait to see him score 35 before asking about whether he could score 40 and then if he scores 40, then ask if he could hit 45 and so on. AT this point, his career best is 34 and he'll be 31 years old this year. 7 goals in 13 games is on pace for 44 over an 82 game season, however, far, far, far too small a sample size.

To be honest, my first wish is to see a 75+ game season out of him.....that contract will start to look real bad if he doesn't stay healthy.


Franzen is far, far, far too consistent a goal scorer to be so doubtful of him. :P

35-40 seems to be a reasonable expectation for a healthy Franzen although he can be a threat to enter the 40-50 range in the coming years if he and the team stay healthy. This chemistry with Datsyuk is quite exciting and with that new found chemistry we have a great setup man and a solid goal scorer so yeah, 50 goals could happen for Franzen but a lot has to go right.


This is probably the best answer yet.


#1915999 Hudler and Dynamo Moscow out in first round of playoffs

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 14 March 2010 - 10:43 PM

Not good to see Hudler and his team choking in the playoffs if he is going to come back to play for the Red Wings.


With all our regular season chokers it might be a nice change. ;)


#1915610 Franzen

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 14 March 2010 - 11:18 AM

If Frazen played 82 games I can see him hitting 40 to 45 goals.


#1914755 Gustav Nyquist-- Hockey's Future Prospect of the Month

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 12 March 2010 - 03:27 PM

Actually my mistake, I meant mid-level draft pick. :lol:


In that case-- hell yeah.


#1914752 Gustav Nyquist-- Hockey's Future Prospect of the Month

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 12 March 2010 - 03:19 PM

Another solid mid-level prospect find by Kenny and company?


I think he has the potential to be a 1st line player. I wouldn't peg him as a mid-level prospect just yet. Give him a chance to play some pro hockey before deciding he won't be a star player. :)


#1914736 Gustav Nyquist-- Hockey's Future Prospect of the Month

Posted by Drake_Marcus on 12 March 2010 - 02:43 PM

Opps... I guess we have a smaller quota for + votes each day... I just used mine up trying to give each poster in this tread a positive vote. Heh.

Yeah, there is no hope. People are just going to downvote things the disagree with.

So unless you want to agree with everyone, you're going to have a negative reputation unfortunately.


Yeah. I just hate that some people are abusing the system to give people negative reps. From reading the thread about the new boards I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people are getting inexplicable down votes.