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#2351329 Stats Thus Far for Suter and Weber

Posted by chrisdetroit on 05 February 2013 - 12:43 PM

Datsyuk and z are as good as their hype, and Lidstrom most certainly was :P

Yes they are, but they didn't get that much hype.  Especially not Z.  Not like that guy in Pittsburgh...

Yeah, I don't disagree.  However, I also don't want to get this thread derailed with Franzen talk because it tends to devolve pretty quickly.  I honestly think there should be a "Franzen" thread pinned to the top of the forum in perpetuity so that it would stay out of all the other threads. 


So back to the topic at hand, Suter's letdown isn't a surprise given that he was never as good as he was made out to be.  And Weber's letdown isn't as surprise given that he now has to shoulder more of the defensive burden as Nashville failed to replace an overhyped Suter with anyone even as good as he was. 

There should be a "Whipping Boy" thread pinned and we can just change the name on it every so often.

#2345434 Ian White Out 2-3 Weeks

Posted by chrisdetroit on 23 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

Why do we always have players that are more prone to injury than other teams?  It seems like every season, we lose half our roster to one thing after another.

Injury prone?  Getting cut by a skate makes you injury prone?  Coming down with Mono that turns out not to be mono?  It's just bad luck in most cases.  But I'm sure on LGW somebody will decide that White is injury prone...

No it's because we get mostly soft euro talent, not big tough savages like chara... Our guys are small and fragile, very talented, but small and fragile nonetheless

Exactly.  If we had more big tough Canadians there would be none of this getting cut by a skate BS.  And incidently Chara is a Euro and therefore a sissy.  Bad example.  You must have meant Pronger.  Oh, wait...

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#2340924 GM Ken Holland says Red Wings might not make playoffs this year

Posted by chrisdetroit on 17 January 2013 - 12:52 PM

The pessimism is astounding.  The shortened season is working against us?  Why is it working against us more than everybody else?  Because we are older?  But you could argue that the short season benefits the older guys and that the younger guys have less time to gain experience.  It's all a matter of how you look at it.  Detroit has the oldest team in the league but NJ is second and they lost in the finals last year.


Try to be objective people.  Chicago did not improve, St. Louis did not improve, Nashville got worse, Columbus got worse.  7 teams in the west will not make the playoffs.  IMO they are:











That's actually (8).  Which 2 of those teams is better than us?  I can't think of any Norris trophy candidates on any of those teams.  We no longer have the best D-man in the West but neither do any of these 8.

#2339264 Which players will get bought out?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 11 January 2013 - 12:17 PM

Ok. Franzen haters, I hate to burst your bubble but the Mule will NOT be bought out.  When I guy is bought out, you still have to pay him like 2/3's of his salary.  It would make no sense to buy out somebody that you could trade.    No way in hell they buy out OR trade the mule.

#2324419 New Jersey's Financial Woes

Posted by chrisdetroit on 09 August 2012 - 10:12 AM

I'd bet that the league will allow them to move in a heartbeat. If they were a team that Gary had moved to the desert, the league would literally spend years trying to come up with some scenario - ANY scenario where they didn't move.

#2322450 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by chrisdetroit on 27 July 2012 - 11:27 AM

They were very right to pass, but I've been saying it for a while now. Doan will either go to Phoenix (not Detroit), the highest bidder (not Detroit), and/or a team with a legitimate chance at a cup in the next season or two (not Detroit). So why have we been waiting for three weeks?

Yandle or Ryan, while likely trading away way too many assets? "Dream until the dream is gone" 2012!

Did LA have a legitament chance at the Cup this year? Almost everybody that knows anything about hockey would say no. They had the lowest scoring team in the league and barely squeaked into the playoffs as a #8 seed.

All of this doom and gloom stuff is stupid. There are 7 teams in the west that will not make the playoffs. Most likely they are:

Phoenix (maybe)
Nashville (maybe)

For us to NOT make the playoffs, we have to be worse than 2 of these teams. I just don't see it

#2319248 The biggest difference in the Nashville series

Posted by chrisdetroit on 15 July 2012 - 09:18 AM

I agree, Howard is good but he hasn't been good enough to give us an advantage in really right playoff series.

I disagree. Many of the goals that Nashville scored were the result of defensive lapses in which Howard was hung out to dry. He wasn't great but we did not lose because of him. Howard has only been in the playoffs for 3 years. The first year he wasn't very good but you can give him as pass because it was his first time. The second year he was awesome - 0.923 save %. Last year he was hung out to dry.

#2319239 Holland Content with Current Roster

Posted by chrisdetroit on 15 July 2012 - 08:15 AM

I'm with you. There are people on this board who would rather that we trade away our prospects every year for the next big thing. These same people were moaning last year when Nashville scooped up all the available guys at the trade deadline last spring. How did that work out? Look at San Jose. They make a big trade almost every year. And what do they get for it? No trips to the finals and a group of prospects that are ranked #30 in the league according to Hockey's Future. I agree with Kenny. Don't trade away your asset

#2318366 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by chrisdetroit on 11 July 2012 - 08:21 PM

All reports say he wants to play for a contender and Detroit isn't one with their current defense.

But Pittsburgh is with their defense?

#2317053 Doan staying in PHX 4 yrs $21.2 mill

Posted by chrisdetroit on 08 July 2012 - 03:38 PM

Well, his agent has contacted 12 teams including the Wings, so I believe he is trying to drive his value up for negotiations with Phx. His offensive production has been dropping over the last 5 years, and he projects to be a 3rd line winger based upon production, age, and skill set. Do the Wings need another 3rd line winger? The answer is no. And to leftwinger, 3 years at 5.5 million is a joke, that would make him paid in the same ball park of Zetterberg, and hes no Zetterberg.

Doan would bring an intangible that is worth gold. He is older and desperately wants to win a Cup. This is EXACTLY what the Wings need. Remember Dallas Drake. He was the spark plug. I want Doan on this team at almost any cost. The one element that the Wings are missing is the passion and will to want a Cup. Doan brings these.

PLEASE sign Doan...

#2315032 Has the Detroit diamond lost it's shine?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 04 July 2012 - 04:45 PM

I can't believe that people are trying to blame the Wings because their offer was 0.5M less than Minny's. They went to Minny to play for their hometown team. It had nothing to do with the 0.5M or the fact the the Wings lost in the first round.

To try and spin this into being Kenny's fault is ridiculous.

#2307694 If we fail to reload with top UFAs we should?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 17 June 2012 - 10:23 AM

It's kinda shocking how close this is to what I was going to post. Plan B, Semin, Wideman, Hudler and youth. Bring in Josh Harding and potentially a grinder/goon like Prust that has some small level of hockey talent on top of the physical play. For this reason I'd pass on Konopka who i've seen mentioned before.

Good news is that it's now June 17th and we only have about two more weeks of this agonizing anticipation until we actually see what this team does/doesn't do to structure for the future.

My bet is that he gets Suter but not Parise then signs somebody like Semin and makes a big trade later in the summer. Huds is not going to be back because he can get $4M+ elsewhere and Kenny has already hinted that he isn't going to offer him that kind of money. IF Hudler accepts Kenny's offer which will be only a little more than he makes now, Huds will stay but I don't see that happening.

I also expect 1 or 2 FA signings for middle of the road guys.

#2302262 The truth of our decline.

Posted by chrisdetroit on 19 May 2012 - 07:31 PM

Made this handy little spread sheet. it covers the 5 of our top 6 forwards that are signed for next season. has the names, ages, and 3 stats for each year from 2008 through 2012. Those stats are: GP=games played, PTS=points, and shts=shoots on goal. Black numbers are no change or improved, red numbers are declines.
Name----Age--------------------2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
--------------------------------GP PTS shts GP PTS shts GP PTS shts GP PTS shts GP PTS shts

Zetterberg--32-------------75 92 358 77 73 309 74 70 309 80 80 306 82 69 267

Datsyk----34---------------- 82 97 264 81 97 248 80 70 203 56 59 137 70 67 164

Franzen----33---------------72 38 199 71 59 246 27 21 91 76 55 248 77 56 211

Burtuzzi----37---------------68 40 121 66 44 127 82 44 216 81 45 138 71 38 118

Cleary---34------------------63 42 177 74 40 163 64 34 140 68 46 192 75 33 199

Now for some follow up. Of the 15 numbers for each player, dat has 9 reds. meaning he is declinging just about every year, in just about every catagory. it would be worse but his numbers this year are improved over 2011 when he was hurt. But his 2012 numbers are worse than his 2010 numbers. Second in red numbers is Z. he has 7 out of 15 in red. Cleary has 6 out 15 in red. Burt also has 6 out of 15 in red. franzen has declined the fewest times. Only 5 red numbers. The number that stands out to me the most, is dat's decline in shots. In 2008 he took 264 shots. Then followed by 248, 203, 137, and finally 164 this past year. Granted he played 12 fewer games, but he had 103 fewer shots! That is a 38% drop!

None of us want to se a bad RW team. We all want to win Cups every year. But we also have to face facts. The fact is we need to find our next pair of great forwards that can lead us for the next 10 years. We started this run with Yzerman and federov, then continued it with dat and Z. No where in our organization do we have 2 guys that are potential 80 point per year guys. This is Holland's big challenge. Do we trade? Sign FA's? move up in the draft somewhere?
My personnel opinion is they need to be C's. A wing by himself can't do it. A good sniper-like parise is, can't score if no one can get him the puck. One last thing. Please understand the difference between good and great. dat and Z are still good players. They are not great players anymore. They will continue to work hard, provide leadership, and score 60 to 75 points for a few more years. But they are not guys that can carry a team anymore. help carry yes, but we have to find the next pair to do the heavy lifting.

Chart was fixed, loaded poorly.....

So you have proven that you flunked statistics 101. What a load of crap. All of your number are totals i.e. total points, total goals, etc. So lets's look at Datsyuk. He missed alot of games this year due to injury. As a result he gets a "red" mark in points, shots, goals, etc. because his totals are down and all of his totals are down for the year because of injury. From this you conclude that he is declining. And who cares about having individual players that put up great numbers. It's a team sport and the Wings were once again near the top of the league in scoring.


#2301470 Anyone else notice the Rangers are drafting a LOT better than us?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 15 May 2012 - 11:42 AM

No. According to Hockeysfuture.com, the Rangers prospects are ranked #13 in the league, the Wings are #15. - not much difference.

#2297559 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by chrisdetroit on 27 April 2012 - 11:44 AM

looks like we have a new whipping boy. As happened with Hudler, I'm expecting a bounce-back season from Mule. Sure he looked un-motivated this year and did nothing in the playoffs but everybody can have a bad year. And before anybody says it, Franzen was playing hurt in last years playoffs. Go back and look at his numbers in playoffs prior to last year.

I'll give the man a pass.

By the way, you guys do realize that he lead the team in scoring this year don't you.

But don't let that fact get in the way of the whipping....