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#2256304 Will there be an impact trade by the wings?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 13 February 2012 - 04:59 PM

This team isnt built to win the Cup and I hope they recognise that and don't dole out some lame excuse this year for not making the move to put us in a prime position. If I'm Lidstrom I'm going to be offended if Holland doenst try to go for it. Not to mention, I've never seen our farm system so chock full of talent, we could truly make a big deal without gutting the future.

I think we need to go after a 2nd line forward. Someone who will replace and be an upgrade over the Todd. Ruutu is a good target other than his injury history and the current status of his price tag. The real dilemma is Lidstroms status tho. If were going to send some prospects packaging, it should probably be for a defender. Our unwillingness to pay market price in free agency means we'll probably go the trade route for a good player and that's where we should spend our assets. I believe in Holland's ability to fill our forward spot without spending too much tho, so we'll see.

Sorry but I stopped reading after the first sentence.

wake this team up? we just won our 20th straight at the joe and sit at the top of the league, i dont know what u mean by waking this team up, they seem to be doing fine

There is pessimism then there is LGW pessimism...

#2252821 Howard has broken finger, Joey Mac recalled

Posted by chrisdetroit on 05 February 2012 - 11:23 AM

MacDonald looked real solid out there. I guess it could be due to the fact that he's at least seen some form of action in AHL games for the season. Conklin has been simply raw.

Exactly. People forget that Howard went through the same thing when he was Osgood's back-up a few years ago. With goalies, it takes a few consecutive games to get into a groove. Conklin is no Jimmy Howard but I expect once he gets a few games under his belt he will be fine. When Conklin was with us 2 years ago, he saw enough action to keep him fresh.

Maybe after tonight people will wake up to what I have been screaming when we signed him...AGAIN, but Conklin has no right being out there with us.

Damn, I wish Holland had listened to you. Did you at least try to call him and let him know that he was making a mistake?

#2251911 How open would you be to trading Hank?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 03 February 2012 - 06:36 PM

The guy won the frickin Conn Smyth 3 years ago. Don't you remeber when he completely shut down Crosby in the finals 2 years in a row. And you want to trade him after 1 bad year.

No frickin way

#2250762 Dreger's mailbag

Posted by chrisdetroit on 30 January 2012 - 05:58 PM

Do you see the contradiction in the bolded statements?

I think the "fight slappies" would be pretty happy with a Wings lineup that dropped the gloves 30 to 50 times a season.

At the time, people didn't consider the Wings Cup winning teams in 97 and 98 to be that tough relative to the rest of the league because they didn't fight as much as other teams. But they would beat the snot out of any Wings lineup in the last decade. More importantly, they were a talented lineup that had good size and a lot of players who weren't afraid to mix it up.

It's not just about the times you actually drop the gloves, it's about being a big physical team that's hard to play against, and a can dish out punishment as well as take it.

The Wings don't have very much of that in their current lineup.

Sure they fought but relative to the rest of the league, very little and still won Cups.

They are currently first overall in points in the entire league.

I want to see them win more than see them fight or play "tough". They looked pretty tough in those 3 straight wins against a much bigger and tougher St. Louis team who they outscored by a combined margin of 9-3.

#2250760 Dreger's mailbag

Posted by chrisdetroit on 30 January 2012 - 05:52 PM



Well of course they fought more times in the playoffs. They played more games Duh!

You can't compare teams that played fewer games with teams that played more games and get a valid statistical comparison. That's like comparing the number or murders in New York with the number in Ishpeming.

How come it seems like almost every thread descends into a fighter/non-figher/toughness/soft/grit debate. I understand that the guys mentioned in Dreger's article would add some grit but still. . .


Because there are a lot of LGW members that yearn for the old days when there was more fighting in hockey. That game is gone and many people on here don't want to accept that.

#2250699 Dreger's mailbag

Posted by chrisdetroit on 30 January 2012 - 12:37 PM

Very interesting stat from bottom article:


Red Wings -- 7 fights, 1st in West

Coyotes -- 11 fights, T-10th in West

Canadiens -- 11 fights, 11th in East

Hurricanes -- 13 fights, T-13th in East

Lightning -- 14 fights, 12th in East

Islanders -- 14 fights, T-13th in East


Rangers -- 38 fights, 1st in East

Bruins -- 36 fights, 2nd in East

Senators -- 34 fights, T-5th in East

Flyers -- 32 fights, 4th in East

Blue Jackets -- 32 fights, 15th in West

From the same article.

According to HockeyFights.com, which tracks these things:

In the 1996-97 regular season, leading to the Wings' first Cup in 42 years, the Wings fought 55 times and were 23rd out of 26 teams in the NHL. The Bruins and Islanders led with 90 fights. The Red Wings fought seven times in the playoffs, more than any other team.

In the 1997-98 regular season, the Wings fought 33 times and were 25th out of the 26 teams. The Canucks led with 105 fights. The Red Wings did not fight in the playoffs.

In the 2001-02 regular season, with a roster laden with future members of the Hockey Hall of Fame and other stars, they fought 21 times, the least of any of the 30 teams. The Panthers led the league with 117. Again, the Wings did not fight in the playoffs.

In 2007-08, the Red Wings again fought 21 times, the least of any of the 30 teams. The Flames led the NHL with 70. The Wings fought once in the playoffs

So we won those 4 cups even though we didn't fight. Wow. The LGW fight slappies are not going to like that....

#2250696 Dreger's mailbag

Posted by chrisdetroit on 30 January 2012 - 12:23 PM

I'd like to see us get younger as a team this summer. I think Bertuzzi and Holmstrom will hang them up over the summer. Obviously Lidstrom's status is still unknown. I'll miss Homer, but at this point, he is no longer effective at even strength, although he is still a powerplay specialist. Assuming Stuart heads west to be with his family, I'd like to see us get a younger guy to take his spot (Tim Gleason). I don't mind Cleary, but his game is kind of on the slide, as well. I think he will be here for at least another year, though.

I hate to disappoint you but Bertuzzi and Homer will most likely be back next year. The Wings love both of them and they love playing for the Wings. Both have been as effective as the Wings expected and neither has significant injuries. Homer is a little banged up but he is the kind of guy that will play through it.

#2250548 Dreger's mailbag

Posted by chrisdetroit on 29 January 2012 - 11:08 AM

No way we get Hossa, ever......oh wait.....

Never say never, but the odds are low, I agree.

besides, I wouldn't trade Franzen for Morrow, who ever suggested that is nuts. Franzen for Ryan or Perry? Yes, but Morrow should only cost some prospects and MAYBE a roster player, possibly named Hudler or Emmerton.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions. You are seriously arguing about the definition of a game winning goal to make a point? Really? Mule is a clutch playoff performer, Period. He's not going anywhere.

And if he doesn't, who does? I don't think the Wings go with a Kindl-Commodore pairing. I just don't think they'd risk it. As much as E gets ripped on, he makes some smart, quiet plays. There's nothing flashy about the guy, but at times he just makes the smart play.

One of the knocks on Smith, at least during his AHL play, has been his defensive lapses. It'd be nice to think he's past them, but I think in a high pressure situation, they might be exposed. I'm very pro-Smith; I'm just not sure throwing him into the deep end of the pool without any water wings is going to pan out.

Defenseman is hard position to learn. There aren't many guys that are good at in right away. Big E is improving but he's not there yet. I expect that Smith will take some time also,

#2250476 Who Could be Dealt at the Deadline?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 28 January 2012 - 04:58 PM

Ok, I don't get it. Franzen is one of the top playoff performers in the league the past 3-4 years. He is currently leading the entire league in Game winning Goals, he's on pace for 67 points and 31 goals and is +25. His point totals have increased the last 4 years (except the year when he had knee surgery)) 30, 38, 59, 55, 67. He has played over 70 games in 4 of the last 5 years. He's only 32.

So why do we want to trade him?

Somebody explain this to me.

#2246414 subban being shopped

Posted by chrisdetroit on 17 January 2012 - 05:05 PM

no way would i trade away brendan smith, we need some youth back there incase lidstrom and stuart leave , besides smith there's ot much depth in the d position , id replace kindl for subban and throw in extra if possible and i dont know why people are still mentioning ericsson i think hes done alright this season he's never gonna get 40+ pts .....and as for subban having problems , the kid likes to have fun the whole montreal media is uptght , besides what better team to teach subban the ropes???<br>

Sorry, but I can't understand what you are trying to say. Did you go to school?

#2245889 1/14 GDT : Blackhawks 2 at Red Wings 3 (OT)

Posted by chrisdetroit on 14 January 2012 - 06:02 PM

Well, I gotta say, that was a great game with each team taking turns dominating. Fact is, we are two very closely matched teams, and if we meet in the playoffs it will be a helluva series (and closer than 2009 when the Hawks weren't quite ready).

Datsyuk was pure awesome all over the ice.

James Tiberius Howard is the man.

Even Franzen showed up in OT.

Not as close as the silly standings indicate with all of those loser points. The Hawks have given up 130 goals against. That is more than every team in the West but Columbus and Anaheim.

The Wings have a ROW of 26 compared to Chicago's 22 and we have a game in hand. AND Chicago has played 4 less road games.

Today, they were given a gift goal by Howard and had one go in off of Lidstrom's skate. They really aren't that good of a team.

I think that the Hawks will drop in the standings with that 9 game road trip that they have coming up.

#2242620 Cherry rips Holland

Posted by chrisdetroit on 08 January 2012 - 12:05 PM

Cherry says stupid things all the time. He's fun to watch and laugh at but people shouldn't take him seriously. He hates the Wings because they have so many Europeans. He likes old time hockey when enforcers and fights were a big part of the game. They aren't anymore. The game has passed Don Cherry by.

#2242619 1/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Maple Leafs 4

Posted by chrisdetroit on 08 January 2012 - 11:44 AM

This is why I'm with you on the idea of moving Franzen as part of a package to land Perry...If Perry isn't scoring - you at least notice him out there creating havoc by getting under the skin of the oppsoing dmen, or netminder.

I hate to interrupt the bulls*** with an actual fact, but Fanzen has 8 game winning goals which leads the entire National Hockey League. Brad Richards is second with 6. 8 guys have 5. He has a +22 which is number 1 in the NHL among Right Wingers.

So explain to me again why you want to trade the most clutch player in the league.

#2242146 Realignment Not Occuring Next Year

Posted by chrisdetroit on 07 January 2012 - 09:36 AM

Don't we have any people that know how to get things done.

#2237089 Is Minnesota for real?

Posted by chrisdetroit on 18 December 2011 - 02:46 PM

They may not sustain this level of winning, but I think over two months of playing well is more than just a lucky streak. Their division is definitely weak, but they did beat the Red Wings twice within a couple days and only lost in OT the other meeting.

2 games doesn't mean anything. The standings are artificial because of the shootouts and loser points. If you take away the loser points (OT and shootout loses) and the extra point for winning in a shootout (the game should end in a tie after OT with 1 point to each team), the Wild have 39 points in 33 games which is a .591 percentage. Not bad but not so impressive. Incidently, the Wings are at .629

My point is that they aren't doing that great now. It's all part of Bettman's smoke and mirrors...