chrisdetroit

No way we get Hossa, ever......oh wait.....


Never say never, but the odds are low, I agree.




besides, I wouldn't trade Franzen for Morrow, who ever suggested that is nuts. Franzen for Ryan or Perry? Yes, but Morrow should only cost some prospects and MAYBE a roster player, possibly named Hudler or Emmerton.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.  You are seriously arguing about the definition of a game winning goal to make a point?  Really? Mule is a clutch playoff performer,  Period.  He's not going anywhere.

And if he doesn't, who does? I don't think the Wings go with a Kindl-Commodore pairing. I just don't think they'd risk it. As much as E gets ripped on, he makes some smart, quiet plays. There's nothing flashy about the guy, but at times he just makes the smart play.

One of the knocks on Smith, at least during his AHL play, has been his defensive lapses. It'd be nice to think he's past them, but I think in a high pressure situation, they might be exposed. I'm very pro-Smith; I'm just not sure throwing him into the deep end of the pool without any water wings is going to pan out.

Defenseman is hard position to learn.  There aren't many guys that are good at in right away.  Big E is improving but he's not there yet.  I expect that Smith will take some time also,

Ok, I don't get it.  Franzen is one of the top playoff performers in the league the past 3-4 years.  He is currently leading the entire league in Game winning Goals, he's on pace for 67 points and 31 goals and is +25.  His point totals have increased the last 4 years (except the year when he had knee surgery)) 30, 38, 59, 55, 67. He has played over 70 games in 4 of the last 5 years.  He's only 32.

So why do we want to trade him?

Somebody explain this to me.

no way would i trade away brendan smith, we need some youth back there incase lidstrom and stuart leave , besides smith there's ot much depth in the d position , id replace kindl for subban and throw in extra if possible and i dont know why people are still mentioning ericsson i think hes done alright this season he's never gonna get 40+ pts .....and as for subban having problems , the kid likes to have fun the whole montreal media is uptght , besides what better team to teach subban the ropes???<br>

Sorry, but I can't understand what you are trying to say.  Did you go to school?

Well, I gotta say, that was a great game with each team taking turns dominating.  Fact is, we are two very closely matched teams, and if we meet in the playoffs it will be a helluva series (and closer than 2009 when the Hawks weren't quite ready).

Datsyuk was pure awesome all over the ice.

James Tiberius Howard is the man.

Even Franzen showed up in OT.

Not as close as the silly standings indicate with all of those loser points.  The Hawks have given up 130 goals against.  That is more than every team in the West but Columbus and Anaheim.

The Wings have a ROW of 26 compared to Chicago's 22 and we have a game in hand.  AND Chicago has played 4 less road games.  

Today, they were given a gift goal by Howard and had one go in off of Lidstrom's skate.  They really aren't that good of a team.

I think that the Hawks will drop in the standings with that 9 game road trip that they have coming up.

Cherry says stupid things all the time.  He's fun to watch and laugh at but people shouldn't take him seriously.  He hates the Wings because they have so many Europeans.  He likes old time hockey when enforcers and fights were a big part of the game.  They aren't anymore.  The game has passed Don Cherry by.

This is why I'm with you on the idea of moving Franzen as part of a package to land Perry...If Perry isn't scoring  - you at least notice him out there creating havoc by getting under the skin of the oppsoing dmen, or netminder.

I hate to interrupt the bulls*** with an actual fact, but Fanzen has 8 game winning goals which leads the entire National Hockey League.  Brad Richards is second with 6.  8 guys have 5.  He has a +22 which is number 1 in the NHL among Right Wingers.

So explain to me again why you want to trade the most clutch player in the league.

Don't we have any people that know how to get things done.

They may not sustain this level of winning, but I think over two months of playing well is more than just a lucky streak. Their division is definitely weak, but they did beat the Red Wings twice within a couple days and only lost in OT the other meeting.

2 games doesn't mean anything.  The standings are artificial because of the shootouts and loser points.  If you take away the loser points (OT and shootout loses) and the extra point for winning in a shootout (the game should end in a tie after OT with 1 point to each team), the Wild have 39 points in 33 games which is a .591 percentage.  Not bad but not so impressive.  Incidently, the Wings are at .629  

My point is that they aren't doing that great now.  It's all part of Bettman's smoke and mirrors...

No.  I say that without any hesitation because they are currently #26 in the league in GFA.  A team that doesn't score isn't going to go very far.  They also have played more games than the Wings and have more shootout and loser points.  Despite playing 2 games more than the Wings, their ROW is 3 less than the Wings.  That's a 5 game swing in ROW out of only 30 or so games played.

Sure they are great defensively but they are 29th worst in the league in Shots against/game.

So they are poor in offense and give up tons of shots.  They are depending totally on goaltending and have gotten 4 "extra" points for shootout wins plus they have played more games.

You have to look beyond the headlines especially in a league that gives points for losing as well as extra points for a skills competition if the game is tied.

As far as Danny Heatley, he has 22 points in 33 games. That's not exactly great.

Minnesota has historically been good defensively and most of that has been with great goaltending tandems. This year they have a few more offensive weapons available and it shows with their record.

Both of those things combined with consistent play at home and on the road will lead to points. The main test will come after the AS game and trade deadline during the final stretch to the playoffs when everyone has settled their lineups. If they can continue with their consistency then they can make the playoffs. After that, like every other team, it will be up to goaltending and depth in the lineup.

Uh.  Sorry but No.  They are near the bottom of the league in scoring.

How can an absolute dominant performance only get 10 pages?!

The haters lay low when we win.  They will be back after the next loss claiming that we are to old, to soft, to European...  They will be praising the big bad Sharks and wanting to trade Hudler, Big E. and Flip straight up for Shea Weber or Drew Daughtery.

Forget the silly loser points and shootout points.  Take the regulation and OT wins and divide it by the number of games play to get the REAL win %


        GP ROW ROW %
Philadelphia 27 17 0.630
NY Rangers 25 14 0.560
Florida         28 15 0.536
Boston         27 14 0.519
Washington 27 13 0.481
Pittsburgh 29 13 0.448
Buffalo         27 12 0.444
Toronto         28 12 0.429
Winnipeg 27 11 0.407
Tampa Bay 28 10 0.357
NY Islanders 26 9 0.346
Ottawa         29 10 0.345
Montreal 29 10 0.345
Carolina 30 9 0.300
New Jersey 27 8 0.296

Detroit         27 16 0.593
St. Louis 28 16 0.571
Vancouver 28 16 0.571
Minnesota 29 15 0.517
Chicago         29 14 0.483
Dallas         27 13 0.481
San Jose 25 12 0.480
Nashville 28 13 0.464
Calgary         28 13 0.464
Phoenix   28 13 0.464
Edmonton 28 12 0.429
Los Angeles 28 12 0.429
Colorado 29 9 0.310
Anaheim   28 7 0.250
Columbus 28 6 0.214

The interesting part is that there are only 4 teams in each conference over .500

Let's recap.  The Wings wing their first 5 then go 0-5-1 and LGW melts down.  So what do they do next.  They go 11-2. Yes, eleven wins, two losses.  They follow that with 2 close losses to Colorado and St. Louis, both on the road.

They are in the top 5 in the league in GFA, GAA, Shots, Shots Against, points, and win percentage.  Jimmy is near the top of the league in wins, GAA, and save %.

But still, the two losses result in a meltdown on LGW....

Dump Z and bring up Nyquist.

Unbelievable

It's not as good as just moving the Wings to the East but it is MUCH better than what we have now.  Only 1 trip to Western Canada and 1 to the California.  And in the playoffs we play the first 2 rounds in our time zone or the Central time zone.  No flights to California in the first two rounds.

We also see Montreal, Toronto and Boston for a home and home every year.  I would prefer to play them more but as I said, it's a big improvement over what we have now.

I dont understand their logic on why these games are premium. Some of the teams there are good, but a lot suck. I could understand original 6 teams or serious contenders being on there, but ottawa, st. Louis, calgary, and carolina all missed the playoffs last year.

Ottawa Oct. 7  Opening night
Calgary Nov. 23  Thanksgiving eve
Winnipeg Dec. 10  First visit by Winnipeg ever and Sat night
St. Louis Dec. 31st (this one I get)
Chicago Jan. 14 Sat afternoon and Chicago
Philly Feb. 12 Sunday afternoon and Philly
San Jose Feb. 19 Sun afternoon and San Jose
Vancouver Feb. 23 Vancouver
Chicago March 4 Sun afternoon and Chicago
Carolina March 24 This one is questionable

These are the most popular games.

Carolina March 24 what's that all about? Last reg season home game maybe?

No.  Not even close.  No idea why this one is "premium".  Last home Saturday night?

The same people bitching about E's contract were bitching about Kronwall's a few years ago. They are going to be eating crow by the end of the year (again).

He's big but not physical, therefore in the opinion of LGW, he sucks...